Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

[henry quirk]

As much as I enjoy the yips, yaps, and snaps, mebbe we can kinda, sorta put the thread back on track?


Trump is not offering peace in Ukraine

At the moment, like it or not, RED MAN DEFIANT is the only shot you mooks have at peace.

Consider...

Europe wants war, so much so, they're rattlin' the atomic mushroom saber. The continent has self-castrated and looks to grow a new pair. A brilliant strategy (as though Putin can be bulldogged by a cluster of culturally-devastated nation states who can't be bothered to control their borders [for fear of offendin' Islamists]).

He knows, push come to shove, he'll steamroll over Europe. He doesn't want to, but he will.

Ukraine's leadership is stupid and greedy. In effect, that pseudo-state wants the war to go on and on and... How else can the First Mister and Mrs. afford the luxuries they've become accustomed to?

Nevermind about the little people who make up the nation. Encourage breeding: problem solved!

The Big Bad in all this is, of course, the U.S. State. Crom only knows how many political and corporate pockets have been lined with American wealth sent to Ukraine and then funneled back to Washington and Wall Street high rises.

And along comes that mad man, RED MAN DEFIANT, who susses American wealth isn't benefiting Americans and Americans have wised up enough to say no more to that particular redistribution. More importantly, the mad man recognizes Americans, sufferin' their own particular cultural assault, are becoming civic-minded and nationalistic (if Europe wants to save itself, it'll do the same). The global experiment in Peace, Love, & Harmony is deemed a failure, one America is footin' the bill for.

Like any crafty businessman, RED MAN DEFIANT sees the need and aims to fill it.

Of course, he wants to personally profit from the mess!

So what?

His customers -- Americans -- have charged him with the task of puttin' American interests first. Enough fuckin' around they say. Make all that shit go away, and do it without our gold and without our kids' blood.

And he will. Mr. and Mrs. Z will get trashbinned, Ukraine will be dead (pissy lil place to begin with). Russian gets its pound or two of flesh, Europe goes back to signalin' virtue thru lickin' Islamist keister, and Americans get back to the horribly important business of catchin' up or binge-watchin' their nighttime soaps and Pornhub.

The only losers are the political parasites who won't be able to launder cash thru Ukraine, and dumb pussies who fly the Ukraine flag in solidarity (but just can't seem to get themselves over there to fight the fight with their Ukrainian brothers & sisters [you can, know, you know...Ukraine welcomes mercs]).

The bottom line takeway: Ukraine is dead. Doesn't matter what Europe does. Doesn't matter what the U.S. does. All that matters: can it die without atomic mushrooms sproutin' up all over?

You nimrods keep pushin' for it, thinkin' Putin will back down or lose (or that RED MAN DEFIANT will be denied his Glory), well, you're hastenin' what you say you wanna avoid.

I suggest you all put away your fine idea(l)s and let the Great Men (i.e. monstrous psychopaths) get shit straightened out. It's that or the lot of you will burn and glow.

[Dubious]

"CDU-Chef Friedrich Merz möchte mit Frankreich, Großbritannien und anderen Verbündeten über ein europäisches System nuklearer Abschreckung verhandeln."

That should have happened a long time ago!

I think I disagree, I think Europe and especially countries such as Germany were patient, they went the noble way, they were hoping for a peaceful era for humanity, even if the chances of that happening were very small. Unfortunately it looks like it's not happening.

...if as you claim the chances of that happening were very small, then the noble way has clearly been the stupid way. This has nothing to do with hindsight but by recognizing that the noble way has almost nothing to do with geopolitics, and certainly not by an overwhelming dependence on a foreign power for its main defense. Germany has been a pathetic wimp with their interminable mea culpas over the holocaust for far too long. Germany, in effect, wasn't playing the long game of Realpolitik regarding its own existence and by extension that of Europe. That, clearly, has been a big mistake...an immensely failed attempt at nobility. What would have been required is not the Angela Merkel type but the Bismarck type.

[Dubious]

...with so many Trump mongrels in the U.S. in whom the Trump Derangement Syndrome reveals itself as the most potent virus of destabilization by their absolute worship of their Dear Leader, it's good to know that there still exists within the land those who are thoroughly disgusted by all the miserable dumbfucks who voted for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLJlIrJ ... WL&index=5

[Alexis Jacobi]

I admire Henry’s attempt to see things with better or new eyes and to make efforts to understand the changes occurring now. Bravo!

[henry quirk]

I admire Henry’s attempt to see things with better or new eyes and to make efforts to understand the changes occurring now. Bravo!

There's nuthin' better or new in that post. All of it is part & parcel to things I've been writin' about, in-forum, for 15 or 16 years.

My eyes are fine. They always have been. And I reckon my understanding is quite full and accurate. It has been for a long time.

Don't presume becuz I mostly, these days, keep my own counsel that I'm like the rest of the castrati infestin' this place.

You just go about your business of psych-analyzin' them and leave me out of it.

Now, if you wanna discuss the actual content of my post: we can.

Otherwise: where you are, I'm sure there's sand you can pound.

[Alexis Jacobi]

When people go off — as you seem just to have done — I resolve to remain unfazed. But don’t hesitate to carry on if it suits your purposes.

New ways of seeing refers to pretty significant shifts in what sort of information is available and that becomes part of the perceptual landscape. And as far as my experience goes, it was about 12 years ago, more or less, when very different perspectives came on the scene. Slowly, then increasingly, ideas that were fringe have become discussable.

Where I live it is all post-volcanic so there is not too much sand to pound. But lots of soft, aerated, dark soil. Lately it has been raining tremendously and things are green green green.

Now, if you wanna discuss the actual content of my post: we can.

As of this moment nothing jumps out at me …

[Atla]

That should have happened a long time ago!

I think I disagree, I think Europe and especially countries such as Germany were patient, they went the noble way, they were hoping for a peaceful era for humanity, even if the chances of that happening were very small. Unfortunately it looks like it's not happening.

...if as you claim the chances of that happening were very small, then the noble way has clearly been the stupid way. This has nothing to do with hindsight but by recognizing that the noble way has almost nothing to do with geopolitics, and certainly not by an overwhelming dependence on a foreign power for its main defense. Germany has been a pathetic wimp with their interminable mea culpas over the holocaust for far too long. Germany, in effect, wasn't playing the long game of Realpolitik regarding its own existence and by extension that of Europe. That, clearly, has been a big mistake...an immensely failed attempt at nobility. What would have been required is not the Angela Merkel type but the Bismarck type.

It's not too late for Germany to arm itself with nukes, I don't see the big problem. If Russia attacks with nukes until then, the world will end anyway. The Merkel-type Willkommenskultur is a different matter though, there Germany did fuck up really bad imo. But the migration crisis was mainly caused by US-Israel to begin with.

[Atla]

At the moment, like it or not, RED MAN DEFIANT is the only shot you mooks have at peace.

That is a huge lie and Trump and the US may pay for it. NATO is already breaking up over it, and when the rest of the world will turn on the US, it may very well will have to stand alone. Trump wants Ukraine to surrender, that kind of "peace" was always available. Trump wants Russia to win, which will encourage Russia to attack Ukraine and other countries later again, which means MORE WAR.

Europe wants war, so much so

Europe never wanted war to begin with, Putin wanted war and Europe is now forced to fight it to a draw or to win it.

they're rattlin' the atomic mushroom saber.

What a pathetic lie. Putin has been threatening to nuke Europe for years, and now Europe is forced to create a unified European nuclear deterrence because of that.

He knows, push come to shove, he'll steamroll over Europe. He doesn't want to, but he will.

Wtf are you on about, he can't even get through Ukraine. Do you have any idea what would happen if the European armies joined the fighting?

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And so on, I won't go over them all. Nothing but Russian/Trumpian propaganda, lies. Not a shred of realistic thinking. No wonder AJ likes it too.

Also, when reality really hits home this time, Trump and his followers will easily lose their majority even within the US.

It's a mistery what actually drives people like Henry and AJ. I certainly don't understand it. Maybe they have nothing to live for and just want to see destruction, even at their own peril, who knows.

[Dubious]

Also, when reality really hits home this time, Trump and his followers will easily lose their majority even within the US.

It's a mistery what actually drives people like Henry and AJ. I certainly don't understand it. Maybe they have nothing to live for and just want to see destruction, even at their own peril, who knows.

I think that's a given. With the extreme changes happening now instigated by the current demented regime in the U.S., something is bound to tear. What becomes most critical here, as I see it, is the when!

[Dubious]

The Merkel-type Willkommenskultur is a different matter though, there Germany did fuck up really bad imo.

She'll never live that one down; it will instead permanently taint her legacy.

[Atla]

Thanks to Trump, the approval ratings of Trudeau and Zelenskiy went up in their countries. Lol

[Alexis Jacobi]

No wonder AJ likes it too.

It is not that I “like” it, and by that you mean support it, it is that in my case I have paid attention to the populism movement and have a better grasp of it, it seems, than you do.

Additionally, and as I have said: each person writing on this forum consciously or unconsciously presents a view (often bolstered with emotionalism) that can be parsed and examined with benefit. You think my attitude or stance is pathological. You have the right to form your own views naturally.

It is more to the point that, quite suddenly, one paradigm fades out and another begins to coalesce.

Note that I have expressed my view — is it pessimism or realism? — that in a generally downward cycle of decadence and disintegration, that even things designed to be “good” will become corrupted.

And I have also expressed that I have considered the possibility that we are in war right now, but “forth & fifth generation” type warfare.

Therefore, we have to step back from the pictures or narratives presented to us (through media-systems) and try to remain mentally and psychically independent.

Also, when reality really hits home this time, Trump and his followers will easily lose their majority even within the US.

That is certainly a possibility. They say that Republican administrations can rally people but that they “govern badly”.

More relevant, as far as the US goes, is 1) that the country is in the midst of a “civil crisis” (war sort of) and 2) that the populism movement is still in movement. I have (informally) studied the rise of this movement for years now.

It's a mistery what actually drives people like Henry and AJ. I certainly don't understand it. Maybe they have nothing to live for and just want to see destruction, even at their own peril, who knows.

I would suggest you “turn your examination lens around” and focus it on self-examination, and from a point of “distance” that I speak of.

[Atla]

I would suggest you “turn your examination lens around” and focus it on self-examination, and from a point of “distance” that I speak of.

I already did that for decades but thank you.

[phyllo]

Is Zelenskyy profiting from the war?

The accusation has been made in this thread, but no evidence for it was presented.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Is Zelensky profiting from the war?

The accusation has been made in this thread, but no evidence for it was presented.

As I assume you know, in today’s climate, I can access a wide array of different media (ranging from those like Fox news all the way over to Common Dreams, Democracy Now! and then farther to It’s Going Down (a ultra-radical Antifa-inspired website) and each will present me with gleaned information-bits, nicely prepared for my consumption.

For all controversial topics it is next-to-impossible to fully trust so many different sources that provide digested information and getting to the ‘truth’ is rendered difficult indeed.

Let me mention the following and we can use it as a baseline to understand corruption. I mention this because I was talking with a Colombian friend about the extent of corruption that is country-wide here. Every political figure, from the mayor of a town up to the president of the Republic, is backed or sponsored (and controlled) by shadow figures who actually control things. In my small city there is a man who is known to be that figure. Everyone knows of him and yet no one can do anything about it.

So, there is the façade of government, and the declaration of service to the community, democracy, fairness and justice, but everyone knows that it is all false. When connected and wealthy people commit crimes, they rely on connected friends to get them off the hook. There are no consequences for the wealthy and connected, and justice is for the poor man.

The astounding thing for those like myself from another system that, at least somewhat broadly, has a functioning justice system and condemns corruption, is that people accept things as they are. The depth of the corruption is so deep that it would take God-knows-what to root it out. Revolution doesn’t work. One group replaces another. Social reform doesn’t work because the interests of the wealthy are far too entrenched. It is a sick, corrupted system that yet manages to carry on.

The point is this: at whatever level you are involved with the system, you will face corruption. And the more you are invested in projects of scale is the degree to which you will be forced into complicity.

“Is Zelensky profiting from the war” is, esteemed Phyllo, the sort of question an American or a European would ask. Based in a sort of political and social innocence that is endearing in a way.

You could scratch the surface with a Google search on Ukrainian corruption and get sobering answers immediately. (I have not done this and I do not need to. That Ukraine is known to be deeply corrupted is simply all I need to know. And as I just indicated I am at least aware of how a corrupted political and social state (here) functions. I remain outside of it but I know enough about it to know the depth of it).