Why Do the Religious Reject Science While Embracing the Impossible?

[Alexiev]

No rage. Imo nothing short of the cold-blooded suppression of the idiot 2/3 of the populations in Western countries might help at this point.

Can you talk more about this? How should this manifest in your opinion?

The only thing I can think of is to have voting rights tied to IQ/EQ/knowledge tests.

This has been tried. During the Jim Crow era in the American South a variety of intelligence and literacy tests were used to deny black people voting rights. Intelligence tests can always be manipulated to promote a particular agenda.

The failure of the Democrat party is the problem; a decent candidate and/or platform could have won handily.

[Dubious]

Apparently, making America great again meant quickly turning it into a chaotic autoritharian regime led by a vengeful, senile clinical narcissist. The American dream is over. But that's nothing, the even bigger problem is the astonishing speed at which the US turns on its longstanding allies and helps its longstanding enemies to victory. This may very well have irreversible consequences. Well I hope the Trump-supporters are happy now.

One pities them when they discover their hero is a fraud

I feel like we are past the point where they deserve pity.

A sentiment shared by so many Americans, who find themselves equally sucked into a vortex they weren't responsible for creating and hoped by every means to avoid.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Atla, beginning to show signs of annoyance, writes:

Atla: Far-right then. If you only look at the West's fault in the conflicts of the last 25 years and ignore Russia's fault, then you too are committed to the destruction of the world and I won't waste any more words on you. Someone who pretends not to know that between the Western "establishment" and Russia, the latter is the greater evil, can't be reasoned with.

It is not really an issue to take up with me. Certainly though it is Jeff Sach’s view that Russia is not a grave threat, that the war was provoked, and that any scaling down of tensions and seeking a solution to a (useless) war that has killed hundreds of thousands is a necessary step.

Someone who pretends not to know that between the Western "establishment" and Russia, the latter is the greater evil, can't be reasoned with.

I believe that I understand why you say this, because I have been exposed to this view over sone years as well. If you point out to me Russia’s great faults perhaps I will understand better. Though I do know that as a régime it is super-corrupt.

What threat had Russia posed to Western Europe, to America, or to anyone prior to invading Ukraine? (I admit that I cannot think of anything off the top of my head).

[Atla]

[Alexis Jacobi]

Is this your concept of an answer?

The question is: What threats have been posed by Russia to Western Europe and America in the last 25 years, excepting the invasion of Ukraine.

It does not seem like a difficult or problematic question from where I sit.

[Dubious]

Is this your concept of an answer?

The question is: What threats have been posed by Russia to Western Europe and America in the last 25 years, excepting the invasion of Ukraine.

It does not seem like a difficult or problematic question from where I sit.

What a seriously naive question!

Let's calculate the probabilities since nothing is a certainty.

The question can be reversed.

What was the threat of Ukraine against Russia? Did the Ukrainians plan a war against Russia and the Russians preempted that by invading Ukraine Instead? That doesn't sound logical! Or could it be that the Russians have the same stance toward Ukraine, having been a Soviet Republic until 1991, as the Chinese have toward Taiwan?

With that kind of territorial claim thoroughly commensurate with Russia's intentions, the remote possibility of Ukraine being incorporated within NATO would definitely have been an absolute nyet for them. Even without any specific intent to join, Ukrainians could not help being aware of the Russian will to retake the land, especially after the loss of Crimea not to mention the trillions it has in mineral wealth. This realization and its historical relationship to Russia - itself a catastrophe - was a great motive for them to seek the protection of NATO.

In short, the threat that Ukraine posed against Russia was obviously non-existent compared to the sub rosa Russian threats to retake the Warsaw Pact nations, which becomes a higher probability if they get complete control of Ukraine and all its wealth.

All this has become magnified due to your oranged-faced traitor and idiot, whom idiots like you voted for, to change sides or at least grant a higher priority to Moscow than to Europe which, having recognized the threat (perhaps too late), is now forced to rapidly rearm.

They stand alone and they know it!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Dubious, yes I did take a few psychology courses in college, but no, I do not think I can help you. Given your present predicament I’d fear some sort of Frankenstein mental outcome were I to attempt it.

[Atla]

Russia poses no threat to anyone, a long list of post-Soviet countries only joined NATO the first chance they got because it was fashionable to do so. Historically Russians have always been very friendly neighbours who don't invade anyone, they always help, and they also never threaten anyone with nuclear destruction. They didn't want to invade Ukraine twice either, it was fully Ukraine's and the US's fault. Same with Georgia. The negative attitude of Europeans towards them is a total mistery, and the Cold war never happened either, the SU never existed and they don't want to recreate the SU either because they aren't stuck in imperialism. Russia doesn't define itself by the act of conquest. /s

Now imo Europe is a sleeping giant and will stand up when really forced to do so. It can arm itself to the teeth when really necessary. This is the part that many today don't understand imo. It just would have been better to avoid this.

[Dubious]

Dubious, yes I did take a few psychology courses in college, but no, I do not think I can help you. Given your present predicament I’d fear some sort of Frankenstein mental outcome were I to attempt it.

Ah yes! The old IC game when you have no reply against the arguments presented. I always suspected you had a lot in common with the teacher from whom you learned so much.

All your vaunted superiority proves to be a swindle.

[Belinda]

People can't help it if they have been badly socialised. We need to find out dispassionately why it happened that trump supporters became ignorant and stupid.

And then try to influence them as and when we can.

My experience in studying the Dissident Right for over 10 years (unofficially) is that this is anything but true. First, the Dissident Right in Europe has influenced the Dissident Right in America, and the European DR is anything but stupid or ignorant. What they are is aware that *something has been done to them*. That is, that something occurred in European culture that emasculated men. The essence is there. This European man, the product of these processes of liberalization, had the ground under his feet removed from him. Had his *identity* thrown into moral doubt. And this man was attacked and made to feel unwelcome to himself.

One of the interesting manifestations of a new political will is taking the shape of the selection of Robert Kennedy Jr. to lead the HHS with the declared realization that America is terribly unhealthy and suffering “chronic diseases”. Aware people realize that physical health, mental health, cultural health and spiritual health are all part of a whole, and therefore a holistic approach to the well-being of men has been and is one of the major points of focus among those of the Dissident Right. That is, a sort of social and cultural biopsy that attempts to underdstand, and begin to counteract, *what happened* and why.

The question of rediscovering what is empowering is a vital concern, and associated with it is a recovery of a religious orientation. Meaning, for example, redefinition of one’s own *metaphysical dream* and that vision and understanding of life around which one can orient oneself. There are such movements within pagan traditionalism and at the same time within Christian traditionalism, both Protestant and Catholic. The value of studying people like René Guénon (Crisis of the Modern World) and Julius Evola (Revolt Against the Modern World) is that each of these defined metaphysics as the more important locus of religious principles.

A huge part of the present cultural manifestation that is labeled extreme right actually has much to do with the discovery of a type of will that can act against decades of social programming. In short it is saying *Fuck off* to that weakening ideology and all that undermines a genuine manliness. Naturally this involves redefinitions of what being *manly* entails. And in the process of redefinition there is also the necessary analysis of what makes a man weak.

Steve Bannon is an important figure in the Dissident Right (his podcasts are very popular among the MAGA crowd) is quite well-read among most of those who are European Dissident Right authors and theorists.

Those who write on this forum are, to be honest, nearly completely of the intellectual roots that stand behind the manifestations of the Dissident Right. You effectively *hide your heads in the sand* and refuse even to examine what must certainly be examined if you were to get any genuine, operative understanding of the present.

See this talk on Steve Bannon’s background.

Consider this as well.

"emasculated men" you say. Your "operative understanding" is very very gendered. As a biological woman I am as gallant, as courageous. as responsible, as hard working, as productive, as intelligent etc. etc. as a biological man.

Are you sorry the extreme right did not win the German election, or are you glad the German Conservatives won it? I ask because I do not know to what degree you are right wing.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Now imo Europe is a sleeping giant and will stand up when really forced to do so. It can arm itself to the teeth when really necessary. This is the part that many today don't understand imo. It just would have been better to avoid this.

The narrative you ironically presented is one we have all received and incorporated. It is a view with all sorts of propaganda potential. But it definitely is not a complete view. And it negates — doesn’t consider — another significant dimension: the tendency of the US to exacerbate problems and the far more extensive meddling, intervention and invasion that are part of its geopolitical games and strategy.

Seen in context the picture is understood differently.

My position is not so much in opposition to those machinations (speaking of the US) — power always does what power can — and much more to present things in the light of “political realism”. For that reason John Mearsheimer has the most coherent view.

And I definitely have no interest in arguing the rightness or wrongness of Russia’s politics. How Europe should have dealt you Russia is outside of my scope. Though to have been led by US policy seems not to have worked out well.

My understanding is that Russia has the upper hand at this point. It “won”. And that it was foolish to have provoked this war through “questionable” policy over decades. And now the result is simply a horrible outcome.

At this point the Trump policy is geopolitical sanity: it has no leverage.

I have little interest in justifying or railing for or against Europe developing its offensive and defensive capabilities. The only point is that it is what is going to happen.

[Alexis Jacobi]

"Emasculated men" you say. Your "operative understanding" is very very gendered. As a biological woman I am as gallant, as courageous. as responsible, as hard working, as productive, as intelligent etc. etc. as a biological man.

You missed the point entirely. Please Belinda read my post better. My definition of “emasculation” is a sensible one. You won’t like it but it has been thought through.

I do not deny the strengths of women. But I definitely believe that traditional roles need to be reestablished. Voluntarily.

Are you sorry the extreme right did not win the German election, or are you glad the German Conservatives won it? I ask because I do not know to what degree you are right wing.

Those binaries “right/left” don’t serve us well anymore.

I am an observer of all politics and I have a background gained through my research of the philosophy and ideology of the Dissident Right. I most often try to help people to understand what that philosophy and ideology is.

I doubt very much if those German Conservatives are really Conservative in a true sense. Slightly right of the center is more likely (?)

[Alexis Jacobi]

All your vaunted superiority proves to be a swindle.

The pleasure I get from beating on you is waning because you are not really acting in a sufficiently provocative manner. This makes me very angry . But not quite enough yet to salt your fields and eliminate you from all history!

Keep it up though. You’ll soon feel the whip!

[Gary Childress]

Is Peter the "Great" truly Putin's role model? This article from the Guardian seems to suggest that Putin is trying to restore the geographical size of Russia to Soviet Union proportions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... sian-lands

[Dubious]

All your vaunted superiority proves to be a swindle.

The pleasure I get from beating on you is waning because you are not really acting in a sufficiently provocative manner. This makes me very angry . But not quite enough yet to salt your fields and eliminate you from all history!

Keep it up though. You’ll soon feel the whip!

You said this many times before. Why hesitate? Is my analysis of your character beginning to grate?