Corporation Socialism

[Gary Childress]

You said:
What is socialism?

Yes. But not what you find online, or on ChatGPT, because I can look that up myself. I want to know what you understand to be genuine Socialism.

The definition above. That's why I supplied it. That's what it means to me.

[Immanuel Can]

You said:
What is socialism?

Yes. But not what you find online, or on ChatGPT, because I can look that up myself. I want to know what you understand to be genuine Socialism.

The definition above. That's why I supplied it. That's what it means to me.

So...you just know that ChatGPT says stuff, and that's what you also would say, if you knew anything about it yourself?

[Age]

As I've explained multiple times, and as you know, "Social Democrat" is a nonsense expression. It's like "homicidal humanitarian." It simply doesn't exist. You are either a Socialist, or you are a democrat. But to the extent you are one of those, you are not going to be the other, because their goals are completely antithetical: one, to introduce totalitarian government control and rob everybody of property and deny them any political options at all; the other, to allow individuals to make their own choices, own their own property, and vote for different parties.

So we just have to dismiss that stupid expression with a wave of the back of our hands. There's no such thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo

Chomsky? Didn't you want to send something that was at least occasionally right?

I didn't say that unthinking people and propagandizing ideologues don't say, "I'm a Social Democrat." I merely point out that their saying it means less than if somebody said "I'm a cat-dog." It's just as silly, and there's no reason to believe it.

'God has male genitals' is an even SILLIER notion, and there is OBVIOUSLY NO reason AT ALL to believe it. But, here you are "immanuel can" BELIEVING it ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

[Will Bouwman]

Just for my information, Will if you please : is social democracy a sub-category of socialism? I need to ask because my political stance is like yours, so I begin to wonder if I am old-fashioned in calling myself a socialist.

It doesn't really matter what you call yourself; it is the policies you support that count. If you believe society has a role to play in providing infrastructure and services, then there are aspects of your politics which, by anyone other than an 'insane ideologue', can be described as socialist. Social democracy is the de facto political structure in many countries, such as the UK, where we can choose between parties for all sorts of reasons, including what plans they have for government investment and how much it will cost us. In that regard, the rule of thumb is that the more you are willing to pay, the more socialist you are, but then a rose by any other name...

I mean for instance , during the Spanish Civil War the people who fought against Franco called themselves socialists.

Well, there were two main factions: Republicans and Nationalists. Loosely speaking the Republicans were a left leaning coalition, that included socialists, alongside communists, anarchists and not a few people who were simply opposed to the conservative coalition that made up the Nationalists.

[Will Bouwman]

I am a social democrat,

That's like "I am a homicidal humanitarian." Sorry...just doesn't work.

What is your conception of a democracy that is not social?

[Gary Childress]

Don't care arguing with your anymore, IC. You lie to suit your agenda and seem to have no qualms about doing so.

[Will Bouwman]

Don't care arguing with your anymore, IC. You lie to suit your agenda and seem to have no qualms about doing so.

There is a useful function for an Aunt Sally, for improving our aims.

All the more so if she won't sit still.

[Immanuel Can]

I am a social democrat,

That's like "I am a homicidal humanitarian." Sorry...just doesn't work.

What is your conception of a democracy that is not social?

Not "social." "Socialist." There's a world of difference. You need to start with the right terminology. You were saying, "Democratic Socialism." All politics are "social." But that doesn't make them ideologically "Socialist."

[Immanuel Can]

Don't care arguing with your anymore, IC. You lie to suit your agenda and seem to have no qualms about doing so.

I don't, actually. I say what I think is the case. You may wish to argue I'm mistaken, but I'm certainly not lying. And nobody should have "qualms" about saying what they think is true, particularly on a forum like this.

In the case of "Socialism," you don't seem to know what you actually think it is. I'm not surprised. I don't think anybody could possibly understand Socialism -- its origins, its basic precepts or its history in practice, and want to have it...not without being some sort of sadist. And I don't think you're that.

[Gary Childress]

Don't care arguing with your anymore, IC. You lie to suit your agenda and seem to have no qualms about doing so.

I don't, actually. I say what I think is the case. You may wish to argue I'm mistaken, but I'm certainly not lying. And nobody should have "qualms" about saying what they think is true, particularly on a forum like this.

In the case of "Socialism," you don't seem to know what you actually think it is. I'm not surprised. I don't think anybody could possibly understand Socialism -- its origins, its basic precepts or its history in practice, and want to have it...not without being some sort of sadist. And I don't think you're that.

OK. Social democrats are evil. They're like homicidal maniacs. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[Immanuel Can]

Don't care arguing with your anymore, IC. You lie to suit your agenda and seem to have no qualms about doing so.

I don't, actually. I say what I think is the case. You may wish to argue I'm mistaken, but I'm certainly not lying. And nobody should have "qualms" about saying what they think is true, particularly on a forum like this.

In the case of "Socialism," you don't seem to know what you actually think it is. I'm not surprised. I don't think anybody could possibly understand Socialism -- its origins, its basic precepts or its history in practice, and want to have it...not without being some sort of sadist. And I don't think you're that.

OK. Social democrats are evil. They're like homicidal maniacs. Enjoy the rest of your day.

No, "Social Democrats" are a self-contradiction. They're not homicidal maniacs...they're just apparently clueless about the contradiction.

[Gary Childress]

I don't, actually. I say what I think is the case. You may wish to argue I'm mistaken, but I'm certainly not lying. And nobody should have "qualms" about saying what they think is true, particularly on a forum like this.

In the case of "Socialism," you don't seem to know what you actually think it is. I'm not surprised. I don't think anybody could possibly understand Socialism -- its origins, its basic precepts or its history in practice, and want to have it...not without being some sort of sadist. And I don't think you're that.

OK. Social democrats are evil. They're like homicidal maniacs. Enjoy the rest of your day.

No, "Social Democrats" are a self-contradiction. They're not homicidal maniacs...they're just apparently clueless about the contradiction.

Good luck in your endeavor to set everyone straight on this. You'll probably need to petition a lot of dictionaries and encyclopedias. You could maybe start with the Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. They're generally regarded as a reliable authoritative source.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/socialism/

[Immanuel Can]

OK. Social democrats are evil. They're like homicidal maniacs. Enjoy the rest of your day.

No, "Social Democrats" are a self-contradiction. They're not homicidal maniacs...they're just apparently clueless about the contradiction.

Good luck in your endeavor to set everyone straight on this.

I 'm not trying that: I don't imagine I'll be able to cleanse the world of oblivious people, or dishonest people, or ideological Socialists. People have a right to be wrong, if they want to be.

But you and I should know.

[Gary Childress]

No, "Social Democrats" are a self-contradiction. They're not homicidal maniacs...they're just apparently clueless about the contradiction.

Good luck in your endeavor to set everyone straight on this.

I 'm not trying that: I don't imagine I'll be able to cleanse the world of oblivious people, or dishonest people, or ideological Socialists. People have a right to be wrong, if they want to be.

But you and I should know.

Hmm. So, Chomsky has been wrong all this time about the evils of capitalism. And/or there's no viable alternative to capitalism. Is that correct?

[Age]

No, "Social Democrats" are a self-contradiction. They're not homicidal maniacs...they're just apparently clueless about the contradiction.

Good luck in your endeavor to set everyone straight on this.

I 'm not trying that: I don't imagine I'll be able to cleanse the world of oblivious people, or dishonest people, or ideological Socialists. People have a right to be wrong, if they want to be.

But you and I should know.

LOL 'This' COMING FROM one who BELIEVES, ABSOLUTELY, that God, itself, HAS 'male genitalia'.

And, 'this one' WANTS TO, LAUGHABLY, so-call 'CLEANSE the world' of NOT JUST 'oblivious people', but ALSO people WITH JUST 'social' or 'communal' views' and who are NOT AS GREEDY and AS SELFISH AS it OBVIOUSLY IS.

LOL HOW MUCH MORE BACKWARDS could people like 'this one' GET?