Corporation Socialism

[Gary Childress]

That's like "I am a homicidal humanitarian." Sorry...just doesn't work.

Good grief. Really? "Social democrat" is the same as saying "homicidal humanitarian"?

Yep. One is good for people, and the other is death. And everybody knows which is which.

Sounds to me like you're confusing the world "social" with "anti-social".

[Immanuel Can]

Good grief. Really? "Social democrat" is the same as saying "homicidal humanitarian"?

Yep. One is good for people, and the other is death. And everybody knows which is which.

Sounds to me like you're confusing the world "social" with "anti-social".

No, just "Socialism." Societies are fine. Even social welfare programs -- if very limited and funded properly -- are fine. But the ideology, Socialism, is death. At least, it has been, in 100% of historical precedents.

[Gary Childress]

Yep. One is good for people, and the other is death. And everybody knows which is which.

Sounds to me like you're confusing the world "social" with "anti-social".

No, just "Socialism." Societies are fine. Even social welfare programs -- if very limited and funded properly -- are fine. But the ideology, Socialism, is death. At least, it has been, in 100% of historical precedents.

Except he specifically said:

I don't claim to be a "Socialist". I am a social democrat,

Should we never utter the word "social" again in conjunction with anything good?

[Immanuel Can]

Sounds to me like you're confusing the world "social" with "anti-social".

No, just "Socialism." Societies are fine. Even social welfare programs -- if very limited and funded properly -- are fine. But the ideology, Socialism, is death. At least, it has been, in 100% of historical precedents.

Except he specifically said:

I don't claim to be a "Socialist". I am a social democrat,

Should we never utter the word "social" again in conjunction with anything good?

As I've explained multiple times, and as you know, "Social Democrat" is a nonsense expression. It's like "homicidal humanitarian." It simply doesn't exist. You are either a Socialist, or you are a democrat. But to the extent you are one of those, you are not going to be the other, because their goals are completely antithetical: one, to introduce totalitarian government control and rob everybody of property and deny them any political options at all; the other, to allow individuals to make their own choices, own their own property, and vote for different parties.

So we just have to dismiss that stupid expression with a wave of the back of our hands. There's no such thing.

[Gary Childress]

No, just "Socialism." Societies are fine. Even social welfare programs -- if very limited and funded properly -- are fine. But the ideology, Socialism, is death. At least, it has been, in 100% of historical precedents.

Except he specifically said:

I don't claim to be a "Socialist". I am a social democrat,

Should we never utter the word "social" again in conjunction with anything good?

As I've explained multiple times, and as you know, "Social Democrat" is a nonsense expression. It's like "homicidal humanitarian." It simply doesn't exist. You are either a Socialist, or you are a democrat. But to the extent you are one of those, you are not going to be the other, because their goals are completely antithetical: one, to introduce totalitarian government control and rob everybody of property and deny them any political options at all; the other, to allow individuals to make their own choices, own their own property, and vote for different parties.

So we just have to dismiss that stupid expression with a wave of the back of our hands. There's no such thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo

[Immanuel Can]

Except he specifically said: Should we never utter the word "social" again in conjunction with anything good?

As I've explained multiple times, and as you know, "Social Democrat" is a nonsense expression. It's like "homicidal humanitarian." It simply doesn't exist. You are either a Socialist, or you are a democrat. But to the extent you are one of those, you are not going to be the other, because their goals are completely antithetical: one, to introduce totalitarian government control and rob everybody of property and deny them any political options at all; the other, to allow individuals to make their own choices, own their own property, and vote for different parties.

So we just have to dismiss that stupid expression with a wave of the back of our hands. There's no such thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo

Chomsky? Didn't you want to send something that was at least occasionally right?

I didn't say that unthinking people and propagandizing ideologues don't say, "I'm a Social Democrat." I merely point out that their saying it means less than if somebody said "I'm a cat-dog." It's just as silly, and there's no reason to believe it.

[Gary Childress]

As I've explained multiple times, and as you know, "Social Democrat" is a nonsense expression. It's like "homicidal humanitarian." It simply doesn't exist. You are either a Socialist, or you are a democrat. But to the extent you are one of those, you are not going to be the other, because their goals are completely antithetical: one, to introduce totalitarian government control and rob everybody of property and deny them any political options at all; the other, to allow individuals to make their own choices, own their own property, and vote for different parties.

So we just have to dismiss that stupid expression with a wave of the back of our hands. There's no such thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo

Chomsky? Didn't you want to send something that was at least occasionally right?

I didn't say that unthinking people and propagandizing ideologues don't say, "I'm a Social Democrat." I merely point out that their saying it means less than if somebody said "I'm a cat-dog." It's just as silly, and there's no reason to believe it.

Whatever you say, boss. Did you even bother to listen to Chomsky's points?

[Immanuel Can]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxp_wgFWQo

Chomsky? Didn't you want to send something that was at least occasionally right?

I didn't say that unthinking people and propagandizing ideologues don't say, "I'm a Social Democrat." I merely point out that their saying it means less than if somebody said "I'm a cat-dog." It's just as silly, and there's no reason to believe it.

Whatever you say, boss. Did you even bother to listen to Chomsky's points?

Sure, but Chomsky's super silly. As I've said before, there's no such thing as "Capitalism": it's a Marxist notion, a Marxist coinage, invented out of whole cloth around the time Marx started writing. So Chomsky's criticizing a nothing, a fake, a bogeyman. The thing he thinks he's criticizing doesn't exist.

But let's play along, and suppose that his "Capitalism" exists, and it's some kind of ideology that is contrary to "democracy." Here's the key point: that wouldn't make Socialism any more compatible with democracy. It would only mean we have 2 democracy-hating systems, not one. So he's arguing a nothing position. He's not saving Socialism at all.

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But let's play along, and suppose that his "Capitalism" exists, and it's some kind of ideology that is contrary to "democracy." Here's the key point: that wouldn't make Socialism any more compatible with democracy.

So, if democracy is so important to him down here, how important will it be to him up there?

Democracy in Heaven? Let's vote on it.

[Gary Childress]

Chomsky? Didn't you want to send something that was at least occasionally right?

I didn't say that unthinking people and propagandizing ideologues don't say, "I'm a Social Democrat." I merely point out that their saying it means less than if somebody said "I'm a cat-dog." It's just as silly, and there's no reason to believe it.

Whatever you say, boss. Did you even bother to listen to Chomsky's points?

Sure, but Chomsky's super silly. As I've said before, there's no such thing as "Capitalism": it's a Marxist notion, a Marxist coinage, invented out of whole cloth around the time Marx started writing. So Chomsky's criticizing a nothing, a fake, a bogeyman. The thing he thinks he's criticizing doesn't exist.

But let's play along, and suppose that his "Capitalism" exists, and it's some kind of ideology that is contrary to "democracy." Here's the key point: that wouldn't make Socialism any more compatible with democracy. It would only mean we have 2 democracy-hating systems, not one. So he's arguing a nothing position. He's not saving Socialism at all.

Funny, the most "socialist" institutions in the world are probably churches and monasteries. Maybe you should start your purge of "socialist" institutions with getting rid of them. Wouldn't want people like Elon Musk to lose out on inexpensive labor. Think of how hard all those monks would probably work in sweatshops.

My bad, I mean, think of how much money Musk could make off those monks working in sweatshops.

[Immanuel Can]

Whatever you say, boss. Did you even bother to listen to Chomsky's points?

Sure, but Chomsky's super silly. As I've said before, there's no such thing as "Capitalism": it's a Marxist notion, a Marxist coinage, invented out of whole cloth around the time Marx started writing. So Chomsky's criticizing a nothing, a fake, a bogeyman. The thing he thinks he's criticizing doesn't exist.

But let's play along, and suppose that his "Capitalism" exists, and it's some kind of ideology that is contrary to "democracy." Here's the key point: that wouldn't make Socialism any more compatible with democracy. It would only mean we have 2 democracy-hating systems, not one. So he's arguing a nothing position. He's not saving Socialism at all.

Funny, the most "socialist" institutions in the world are probably churches and monasteries.

If you think so, you don't know what Socialism is.

[Gary Childress]

Sure, but Chomsky's super silly. As I've said before, there's no such thing as "Capitalism": it's a Marxist notion, a Marxist coinage, invented out of whole cloth around the time Marx started writing. So Chomsky's criticizing a nothing, a fake, a bogeyman. The thing he thinks he's criticizing doesn't exist.

But let's play along, and suppose that his "Capitalism" exists, and it's some kind of ideology that is contrary to "democracy." Here's the key point: that wouldn't make Socialism any more compatible with democracy. It would only mean we have 2 democracy-hating systems, not one. So he's arguing a nothing position. He's not saving Socialism at all.

Funny, the most "socialist" institutions in the world are probably churches and monasteries.

If you think so, you don't know what Socialism is.

I think you don't know what socialism is.

[Immanuel Can]

Funny, the most "socialist" institutions in the world are probably churches and monasteries.

If you think so, you don't know what Socialism is.

I think you don't know what socialism is.

Let's see. What do you think it is?

[Gary Childress]

If you think so, you don't know what Socialism is.

I think you don't know what socialism is.

Let's see. What do you think it is?

This is a pretty standard definition of socialism that you can find most places on the Internet.

You said:
What is socialism?

ChatGPT said:
Socialism is a broad political and economic philosophy that emphasizes collective or governmental control over the means of production, distribution, and exchange, aiming to reduce inequality and promote social welfare. Instead of private individuals or corporations owning industries and resources for profit, socialism advocates for a system where these are owned and managed collectively, either by the state, workers, or communities.

There are many different forms of socialism, ranging from democratic socialism (which seeks to combine social ownership with democratic governance and personal freedoms) to Marxist socialism (which envisions a transition to communism where class distinctions are abolished). Other variations include market socialism (where markets still exist but major industries are socially owned) and anarcho-socialism (which rejects the state in favor of decentralized, cooperative societies).

At its core, socialism is concerned with addressing economic inequality and ensuring that wealth and resources are distributed in a way that prioritizes social well-being over private profit. Some modern socialist policies include universal healthcare, free education, worker cooperatives, and strong labor protections.

[Immanuel Can]

You said:
What is socialism?

Yes. But not what you find online, or on ChatGPT, because I can look that up myself. I want to know what you understand to be genuine Socialism.