The AGE of confusion.

[Fairy]

What do you mean by and with the word 'avatar', exactly?

I mean, the one that doesn't live on forever more, after it is birthed, I mean the thing that dies.

[Fairy]

If that person is saying 'this', here, then if the words 'ego/self' is referring to the 'thought part' of 'you', then who and/or what is even the 'you', exactly?



The word 'person' or 'people' refers to the invisible part of 'human beings', which obviously includes the 'thoughts' as well as the 'emotions', within human bodies.

The visible body part is 'what' 'experiences', through any of the five senses, and what is experienced, then becomes 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions'.

Those 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions' only when SHARED become a part of 'the person' or 'the people', within other human bodies. Which is, exactly, what can, and does, 'live on'. Thus, WHY the saying, 'jesus lives on', or 'jesus is still alive', was and is said and written. It is 'the thoughts' from within 'that body', which the name and label "jesus christ" was assigned to, which is what is, obviously, still, 'living on', in the days when this is being written, and read. (Which, by the way, 'this understanding' relates to what is called, 'The second coming of jesus'. But, that is another topic of discussion.)

But, even if the ability to obtain, and 'pass on', 'thought/knowledge', within bodies, 'ends', what the 'actual bodies' have caused and created will have an ever-lasting effect on 'the world', or 'the Universe', (as 'we' know 'it').

So here in this explanation, it seems like what is being hinted at is that there is only a vast ocean of information that never dies, and lives on forever. And that each born avatar is only a finite carrier of the infinite potential information that already exists withing the infinite field of possibility

What do you mean by and with the word 'avatar', exactly?

..and that the birth of the avatar's job is to play a finite role in a unique particular story based on the information available to it during it's finite presence, actualising that information into an experience as this known manifested reality....and the duration of the experience is just one experience of an infinite amount of possibilities plucked out of the vast void womb of potential.

To me, 'matter' just 'comes together' to form different shapes of 'objects'. One of them being the human body. Human bodies are born, from the coming together of two other human bodies. And, after A human body is born, that body just 'experiences' things/the word/Universe around 'it'. Those experiences enter 'the body' through any or all of the five senses, which are held 'within the brain', as 'thoughts'. 'Thoughts' are where information, or knowledge, is held and/or stored. Which, some of, get shared with other brains, and when these brains come-together, then 'experiences' and information/knowledge can be shared. And, when ALL comes-together, as One, then this is WHEN 'this One', is the ONLY One that can and does KNOW EVERY thing.

And that it is not the Avatar or human body that lives on, it's the information that lives on, or maybe what could otherwise be known as the universal invisible SOUL.

The word 'soul' refers to the invisible temporary 'one' within individual human bodies. The word that refers to the universal invisible eternal One, within the Universe is the word 'Spirit'.

Is that fair to say, or is my view on this.. still off track?

That is up to 'you' to DECIDE.

But, if ANY view could not be AGREED WITH, by EVERY one, then 'that view' IS 'off track'.

ONLY what IS the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct Knowledge, TO absolutely EVERY one, is 'the view', which is 'ON T.R.A.C.K.', and which IS IRREFUTABLE, by the way.

I understand what you are saying, and thanks for explaining it.

I agree with what you have said, so thanks. In fact my own daughter was only the other day, saying the exact same thing to me as what you have said to me in the above post. What a coincidence.

[Age]

What do you mean by and with the word 'avatar', exactly?

I mean, the one that doesn't live on forever more, after it is birthed, I mean the thing that dies.

If and when 'we' DELVE RIGHT DOWN INTO the MOST FUNDAMENTAL OF 'things', as far as 'we' can get, then what is FOUND, UNCOVERED, and REVEALED is that A 'thing' NEVER ACTUALLY 'dies'. 'They' only CHANGE in shape and/or in form.

Now, I will take 'this' a little 'slower', or with a little bit more 'explanation', than I usually do, but ALL visible 'things' are, AT THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, just made up of 'matter', itself. So, even when a 'human body', for example, stops breathing and stops pumping blood, then 'that matter' does NOT actually 'die'. 'The matter', which was in the shape of 'that body', just KEEPS CHANGING in 'shape' and/or 'form'. Even if 'that body' is cremated or buried 'the matter' that was in 'that shape or form' of 'that body' NEVER 'stops existing', which is what the word 'die' sometimes is meaning, or referring to. Just like 'the matter' that EVERY new born 'body/baby' is made up of NEVER just came from NOWHERE nor from NOTHING. 'The matter', which makes up EVERY 'body', (human or not), just comes from 'previous existing matter' just CONTINUALLY CHANGING in shape and/or form.

So, just like I was explaining before about HOW A 'person', which are the invisible 'thoughts and emotions' WITHIN A visible 'human body' NEVER 'dies', so to does the actual visible 'human body' NEVER 'die' as well. Or, to be FAR MORE CORRECT, what EVERY 'body' is made up of, that is; 'matter', itself, NEVER ACTUALLY 'dies', also.

But, what does NOT 'exist anymore', (or what some people call 'dies' or refers to as 'death'), is just the CONCEPTUAL, IMAGINARY, or ILLUSORY 'separate thing' but, AGAIN, ONLY in the sense that 'that thing' is NOT in the EXACT SAME way, shape, NOR form, ONLY.


When 'we' 'look at' 'death', in the spiritual sense, then what 'we' can 'see' is;
The word 'invisible' refers to the 'thoughts and emotions' WITHIN a 'visible human body'. The words 'a person', or 'people', mean and/or refer to the 'invisible thoughts and emotions' ONLY. A person, or people, is NOT the physical visible human body. (For example, if an arm or a leg is amputated from a 'human body', then 'the person' does NOT become 'less of' 'a person'.) Now, although 'people' are born, come into 'being', or begin, 'they' do NOT 'die'. As I was explaining before 'people', or the 'invisible thoughts and emotions', themselves, or what are sometimes called and referred to as the 'soul' are always continually being 'passed on', IN other 'visible bodies'. The one person known as "jesus christ" is prime example of this phenomena. And, 'people' in one way or another are always existing or 'living on', forever more, in 'human bodies'. The words 'person', 'people', 'soul', and even the word 'being' (in the words 'human being') are in relation to the 'invisible thinking and emotional' one, within visible human bodies, with the word 'being' actually in relation to how the 'one' is 'being', shown, and/or reflected, through the actions, behaviors, or misbehavior of 'A body'. After all it IS 'thoughts and emotions' ONLY that CONTROL each AND every behavior, or misbehavior, of 'human bodies'.

When 'we' 'look at' 'death', in the physical sense, what 'we' can 'see' is;
The word 'visible' refers to the 'physical human body'. The word 'human', in the words 'human being', just refers the visible physical human body, which is wholly and solely just made up of 'matter', itself. Now, when 'matter' has 'come together' after a 'female human body' AND a 'male human body' also, 'came together', literally, the 'coming together of two other forms of 'matter', namely; 'sperm' AND 'egg', here, then A 'new human body' is PROGRESSIVELY FORMING, CONTINUALLY. Again, at the MOST FUNDAMENTAL level all-this-is is just 'matter', itself, in an eternal continual EVOLVING CHANGE, and through the ALWAYS CONSTANT-CHANGE 'new' shapes and/or forms are being CREATED. Now, ALL of these 'new' shapes or forms of 'matter', itself, also known as 'objects' NEVER EVER just 'sprang up' out of NOTHING AT ALL. 'They' are ALL, 'including human bodies' just 'matter', itself, in a CONTINUAL STATE OF CHANGE. And, this HAPPENS and OCCURS just because of MOVEMENT, itself. Because there is A 'space', or a DISTANCE between and around ALL 'matter', at the smallest of 'levels', or at levels' where 'objects' are formed, it is 'the space' which ALLOWS the continual movement of 'matter', to be ABLE TO 'form' 'things' like 'human bodies'. And, it is the 'matter', (and the 'space'), which makes 'human bodies' 'what they aren't which both 'matter' and 'space' are eternal OR forever. Thus, NEVER so-called 'dying', themselves.

So, to recap,
'People', themselves, although do begin, or, literally, ONLY 'come-into' 'being', they however live on forever more, in a sense. Either in the sense that invisible 'thoughts', themselves, get 'passed on', OR, in the sense that visible 'bodies' have ACTUALLY 'created' or 'not created, what is called 'the world', or 'this place', in which 'we' LIVE. (I say 'not created' because it is possible for human beings to have ALREADY 'created' A 'peaceful and harmonious world'.)

AND,

'Bodies', themselves, or more accurately and correct, 'matter' AND 'space', themselves, NEVER ends and will NEVER begin.

Thus, there is NO ACTUAL 'death', NOR 'dying'. And, when who and what 'I' AM, the True Self, IS REALIZED, and KNOWN, EXACTLY, then HOW 'I AM' ALWAYS is, ALSO, UNDERSTOOD.

[Fairy]

What do you mean by and with the word 'avatar', exactly?

I mean, the one that doesn't live on forever more, after it is birthed, I mean the thing that dies.

If and when 'we' DELVE RIGHT DOWN INTO the MOST FUNDAMENTAL OF 'things', as far as 'we' can get, then what is FOUND, UNCOVERED, and REVEALED is that A 'thing' NEVER ACTUALLY 'dies'. 'They' only CHANGE in shape and/or in form.

Now, I will take 'this' a little 'slower', or with a little bit more 'explanation', than I usually do, but ALL visible 'things' are, AT THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL LEVEL, just made up of 'matter', itself. So, even when a 'human body', for example, stops breathing and stops pumping blood, then 'that matter' does NOT actually 'die'. 'The matter', which was in the shape of 'that body', just KEEPS CHANGING in 'shape' and/or 'form'. Even if 'that body' is cremated or buried 'the matter' that was in 'that shape or form' of 'that body' NEVER 'stops existing', which is what the word 'die' sometimes is meaning, or referring to. Just like 'the matter' that EVERY new born 'body/baby' is made up of NEVER just came from NOWHERE nor from NOTHING. 'The matter', which makes up EVERY 'body', (human or not), just comes from 'previous existing matter' just CONTINUALLY CHANGING in shape and/or form.

So, just like I was explaining before about HOW A 'person', which are the invisible 'thoughts and emotions' WITHIN A visible 'human body' NEVER 'dies', so to does the actual visible 'human body' NEVER 'die' as well. Or, to be FAR MORE CORRECT, what EVERY 'body' is made up of, that is; 'matter', itself, NEVER ACTUALLY 'dies', also.

But, what does NOT 'exist anymore', (or what some people call 'dies' or refers to as 'death'), is just the CONCEPTUAL, IMAGINARY, or ILLUSORY 'separate thing' but, AGAIN, ONLY in the sense that 'that thing' is NOT in the EXACT SAME way, shape, NOR form, ONLY.


When 'we' 'look at' 'death', in the spiritual sense, then what 'we' can 'see' is;
The word 'invisible' refers to the 'thoughts and emotions' WITHIN a 'visible human body'. The words 'a person', or 'people', mean and/or refer to the 'invisible thoughts and emotions' ONLY. A person, or people, is NOT the physical visible human body. (For example, if an arm or a leg is amputated from a 'human body', then 'the person' does NOT become 'less of' 'a person'.) Now, although 'people' are born, come into 'being', or begin, 'they' do NOT 'die'. As I was explaining before 'people', or the 'invisible thoughts and emotions', themselves, or what are sometimes called and referred to as the 'soul' are always continually being 'passed on', IN other 'visible bodies'. The one person known as "jesus christ" is prime example of this phenomena. And, 'people' in one way or another are always existing or 'living on', forever more, in 'human bodies'. The words 'person', 'people', 'soul', and even the word 'being' (in the words 'human being') are in relation to the 'invisible thinking and emotional' one, within visible human bodies, with the word 'being' actually in relation to how the 'one' is 'being', shown, and/or reflected, through the actions, behaviors, or misbehavior of 'A body'. After all it IS 'thoughts and emotions' ONLY that CONTROL each AND every behavior, or misbehavior, of 'human bodies'.

When 'we' 'look at' 'death', in the physical sense, what 'we' can 'see' is;
The word 'visible' refers to the 'physical human body'. The word 'human', in the words 'human being', just refers the visible physical human body, which is wholly and solely just made up of 'matter', itself. Now, when 'matter' has 'come together' after a 'female human body' AND a 'male human body' also, 'came together', literally, the 'coming together of two other forms of 'matter', namely; 'sperm' AND 'egg', here, then A 'new human body' is PROGRESSIVELY FORMING, CONTINUALLY. Again, at the MOST FUNDAMENTAL level all-this-is is just 'matter', itself, in an eternal continual EVOLVING CHANGE, and through the ALWAYS CONSTANT-CHANGE 'new' shapes and/or forms are being CREATED. Now, ALL of these 'new' shapes or forms of 'matter', itself, also known as 'objects' NEVER EVER just 'sprang up' out of NOTHING AT ALL. 'They' are ALL, 'including human bodies' just 'matter', itself, in a CONTINUAL STATE OF CHANGE. And, this HAPPENS and OCCURS just because of MOVEMENT, itself. Because there is A 'space', or a DISTANCE between and around ALL 'matter', at the smallest of 'levels', or at levels' where 'objects' are formed, it is 'the space' which ALLOWS the continual movement of 'matter', to be ABLE TO 'form' 'things' like 'human bodies'. And, it is the 'matter', (and the 'space'), which makes 'human bodies' 'what they aren't which both 'matter' and 'space' are eternal OR forever. Thus, NEVER so-called 'dying', themselves.

So, to recap,
'People', themselves, although do begin, or, literally, ONLY 'come-into' 'being', they however live on forever more, in a sense. Either in the sense that invisible 'thoughts', themselves, get 'passed on', OR, in the sense that visible 'bodies' have ACTUALLY 'created' or 'not created, what is called 'the world', or 'this place', in which 'we' LIVE. (I say 'not created' because it is possible for human beings to have ALREADY 'created' A 'peaceful and harmonious world'.)

AND,

'Bodies', themselves, or more accurately and correct, 'matter' AND 'space', themselves, NEVER ends and will NEVER begin.

Thus, there is NO ACTUAL 'death', NOR 'dying'. And, when who and what 'I' AM, the True Self, IS REALIZED, and KNOWN, EXACTLY, then HOW 'I AM' ALWAYS is, ALSO, UNDERSTOOD.

Wonderfully written. The apparent confusion has now dissipated.

[Belinda]

So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies?

If that person is saying 'this', here, then if the words 'ego/self' is referring to the 'thought part' of 'you', then who and/or what is even the 'you', exactly?

and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?

The word 'person' or 'people' refers to the invisible part of 'human beings', which obviously includes the 'thoughts' as well as the 'emotions', within human bodies.

The visible body part is 'what' 'experiences', through any of the five senses, and what is experienced, then becomes 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions'.

Those 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions' only when SHARED become a part of 'the person' or 'the people', within other human bodies. Which is, exactly, what can, and does, 'live on'. Thus, WHY the saying, 'jesus lives on', or 'jesus is still alive', was and is said and written. It is 'the thoughts' from within 'that body', which the name and label "jesus christ" was assigned to, which is what is, obviously, still, 'living on', in the days when this is being written, and read. (Which, by the way, 'this understanding' relates to what is called, 'The second coming of jesus'. But, that is another topic of discussion.)

But, even if the ability to obtain, and 'pass on', 'thought/knowledge', within bodies, 'ends', what the 'actual bodies' have caused and created will have an ever-lasting effect on 'the world', or 'the Universe', (as 'we' know 'it').

So here in this explanation, it seems like what is being hinted at is that there is only a vast ocean of information that never dies, and lives on forever. And that each born avatar is only a finite carrier of the infinite potential information that already exists withing the infinite field of possibility ..and that the birth of the avatar's job is to play a finite role in a unique particular story based on the information available to it during it's finite presence, actualising that information into an experience as this known manifested reality....and the duration of the experience is just one experience of an infinite amount of possibilities plucked out of the vast void womb of potential.

And that it is not the Avatar or human body that lives on, it's the information that lives on, or maybe what could otherwise be known as the universal invisible SOUL.

Is that fair to say, or is my view on this.. still off track?

I think you well described the theory .I'm not sure that your usage of 'avatar' is a standard usage----I just looked it up----- however to my mind it's a useful way to help me to understand the theory of existence that I have been trying to propound. Also I like your usage of 'information' in the context of the theory of existence I am on about. I'd like to add that information in that context is the same as what I 've been calling experience. I also very much like your expression "universal invisible SOUL". "Universal " is the key to disposing of the notion of individual souls.

The whole idea of this particular theory of existence is so unlike traditional ideas of so-called "life after death" that it's not easy to explain. Thanks for your help.