Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:19 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
The ego/ self will end when you die.
But, who and/or what is a 'you', exactly, to you, which you claim WILL so-call 'die'?
And, how, exactly, are you defining the words,
'ego',
'self',
'you', and
'die'?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
There is so much to CLARIFY, here, AS WELL.
you said and claimed that 'it' is a good habit that supports life, but what is the 'it' word, here, referring to, exactly?
Is 'it' the ego/self, the habit of thinking, thinking, one living, or something else?
Once you CLARIFY 'it', then 'we' can move along, here. I will then be able to more clearly ask you further clarifying questions.
Like for example, Why do you put the words 'ego' and 'self' together. Do you see those two words meaning the EXACT SAME thing/s?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.
So what does so-called 'life after death' NOT lack, exactly?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life.
So, WHERE do 'the experiences', which were amassed, exist, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.
But, if 'you' ARE DEAD, as you CLAIM, and what you MEAN by, 'after you die', then HOW could 'these experiences' 'join together', EXACTLY?
Obviously if the 'you' is NOT around, anymore, then HOW could that one's experiences be SHARED, which is what would be NEEDED to be ABLE TO 'join' WITH 'others experiences', right?
I would have thought that the term and phrase 'shared experiences' could only come-together WHEN 'past experiences' were ABLE TO BE SHARED.
Are 'you' ABLE TO SHARE 'your experiences' so-call 'after you die'?
Belinda wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
Now, it is said and written, 'your ego/self'.
So, who and/or what is 'this thing' that the 'your' word is referring to, exactly, which, supposedly, has, or owns, AN 'ego/self'?
I should warn the theory of being that I'm trying to explain is not very popular and is not usually easy to understand. Thanks for your patient persistence.
The 'I' does certainly end when the individual dies.
To 'you', but HOW do you SEPARATE 'you' human beings from the One and ONLY One, also known as 'S.A.G.E.' and/or the Spirit Allah God Enlightenment?
I SEPARATE the TWO by USING 'i' and 'I'. Hopefully which one is referring to which one does not need to be explained.
Also, what are you referring to, EXACTLY, when you say and write, 'individual'?
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
This is why we mourn a dead, friend because there is no beloved 'other 'I' to relate to.
What I have observed and noticed is that you people do NOT actually mourn 'the one' who is said to have 'died', but you are actually 'mourning' 'your loss', instead. (But, this is for another topic.)
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
During life, the habit of belief that there be selves is a good habit because we need to relate to others in practical ways.
OF COURSE there ARE 'selves'. 'They' are, literally, you people. EACH individual 'self' IS the 'individual thoughts' WITHIN an 'individual human body'.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
The expression 'life after death' is misleading because there is no life after death.
The term or phrase 'life after death' REFERS TO, AFTER 'this greedy and selfish way of life' ENDS, or DIES, then the NEW 'peaceful and harmonious life' BEGINS. But, because you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written are SO GREEDY and SELFISH, you SEE and INTERPRET 'that phrase or term' as being in relation to 'you individual selves'. And, you do this in 'your HOPE' of living forever more.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
We live our lives here within time spans. When lives end so does time end for us when we die. The living must live with time: the dead do not live with time as the dead do not live at all.
Like "fairy", to me, you have, and are, just OVER COMPLICATING what IS, ESSENTIALLY, ABSOLUTELY Truly JUST BASIC and SIMPLE. you are PLACING CONFUSION ONTO what is SO MUCH EASIER TO COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
The experiences you amassed during your life exist eternally but not existence in time or space.
So-called "scientists" can NOT even AGREE UPON and ACCEPT A DEFINITION for the words 'time' AND 'space'. So, 'trying to' BRING these words, in here, as though you KNOW what you are talking ABOUT is NOT ACTUALLY WORKING.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
The
eternal now is a difficult concept to grasp, although some people appear to have grasped the concept.
SO, the ACTUAL Truth IS. Some people have GRASPED the 'eternal NOW', while you HAVE NOT, correct?
If yes, then just because you have NOT YET GRASPED A CONCEPT, this, in and of itself, NEVER EVER MEANS that 'that concept' is a 'DIFFICULT CONCEPT', AT ALL.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
--Spinoza for one. Eternity is not a where or a when but is existence itself without time or duration. Once you have existed(which you have) you cannot un-exist in the form of the experiences you once had, These experiences don't depend on people's memories and opinions, or history books: they depend on existence itself.
These experiences which in life were limited to yourself are ,after you are deceased, not limited to individual selves. but join the whole of what exists without division into 'his experience', 'her experience' , 'its experience', 'my experience','or your experience'.
The word, term, and phrase, "yourself", IS AN OXYMORON and A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
These experiences can be 'shared' because once the individual is dead the individual no longer exists as an individual and will soon no longer exist in memories.
you have, OBVIOUSLY, MISSED THE ACTUAL POINT, which I was SAYING, WRITING, and EXPRESSING above here.
The thinking, that is; the values, views, beliefs, opinions, et cetera, themselves, within a human body IS what GETS 'PASSED ON'.
'The thinking', within a human body, IS the 'you', or the 'person'. And, it is 'this' that gets 'passed on' and thus 'lives on'. 'The memory' OF someone else is ANOTHER thing.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
There is no need for speech or writing for sharing because, after death of the brainmind there is no barrier to understanding .
I WILL, ONCE AGAIN, SUGGEST that you SEEK OUT, and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARIFICATION, BEFORE you even START TO BEGIN TO ASSUME things, here. That way you will NOT KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what 'it' IS that I AM ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING, here.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
Understanding happens without any need for a subject who understands.
BY who and/or what, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
That there will be no need for a subject of understanding is the most non-intuitive idea to get to grips with, I have been following the above theory of existence for a year or two and I still find it difficult to grasp that understanding does not require a subject that does the understanding.
So, AGAIN, who and/or what is 'it' that does 'the understanding', EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
The thing that the 'your' word refers to and which supposedly owns an ego or self is the living body and its subjective mind.
Human bodies PRODUCE 'the self', and, the 'thoughts', or 'you'. But, human bodies CERTAINLY DO NOT OWN 'you', people, thoughts, NOR 'selves'.
Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' WANT TO BELIEVE that JUST 'matter', itself, OWNS 'you'.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
It's an interesting speculation that humans may be the only animal that can conceive of self, although once I had a keen- sighted dog who used to look at herself in a full length mirror.
RELATING 'knowing thy self', or 'self-realization', is IN REFERENCE TO 'mirrors', SHOW and PROVES JUST HOW FAR BEHIND these people, here, REALLY WERE.
Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
Whether or no she presumed the dog in the mirror was herself I never discovered.
And, 'you' NEVER WILL. Just like 'you' WILL NEVER KNOW IF what 'you' see and perceive as 'red' is 'red' OR 'another color', to me.
HOWEVER, what 'we' CAN, and DO, DO is COME-TOGETHER, IN AGREEMENT.
Which, by the way, IS WHERE Truth IS FOUND, UNCOVERED, and REVEALED.