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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:55 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:21 am

I have a question for Age.
Okay.
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:21 am Are 'you' who goes by the name of 'Age', a finite entity who had a beginning that will eventually end. ?
'i' was 'born', or 'came into being'. So, 'i' had a beginning, but, 'i', in a sense, will never end.

This, however, just applies to ALL people, anyway.
Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:55 am

Okay.


'i' was 'born', or 'came into being'. So, 'i' had a beginning, but, 'i', in a sense, will never end.

This, however, just applies to ALL people, anyway.
Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies? and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am

Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies? and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
No,I don't mean that at all. I mean that you will die and all the people that knew you in life will die and you will be forgotten. there will be no more Fairy in any sense of Fairy.

However the experiences you had whilst you were alive were in fact happenings and that can't be denied, even if the some of your experiences were dreams, hallucinations, or fantasies. Experiences can't be un-experienced. But the experiences that once were your own Fairy experiences are no longer yours once you are dead. Those experiences are now timeless and belong to truth itself.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:34 pm
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:51 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am

Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
Because these 'i's' leave an ever-lasting effect in one way or another. So, in a sense, each and EVERY, beginning, 'i' lives on forever more.
ok thanks

Another question...

Do these 'i's' that come into being, who are born, who have a beginning, who then live on forever more...are these 'i's' human? or something else?
To me, these 'i's', here, are the 'being' parts of the 'human being'. The 'human being' being made up of two things, or two parts, namely the 'human' AND the 'being'. The 'human' word referring to the visible body part, AND, the 'being' word referring to the invisible part, which is what the 'person' or 'people' words refer to, exactly. The invisible part just being the thoughts and emotions, within visible human bodies.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:55 am

Okay.


'i' was 'born', or 'came into being'. So, 'i' had a beginning, but, 'i', in a sense, will never end.

This, however, just applies to ALL people, anyway.
Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die.

But, who and/or what is a 'you', exactly, to you, which you claim WILL so-call 'die'?

And, how, exactly, are you defining the words,
'ego',
'self',
'you', and
'die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
There is so much to CLARIFY, here, AS WELL.

you said and claimed that 'it' is a good habit that supports life, but what is the 'it' word, here, referring to, exactly?

Is 'it' the ego/self, the habit of thinking, thinking, one living, or something else?

Once you CLARIFY 'it', then 'we' can move along, here. I will then be able to more clearly ask you further clarifying questions.

Like for example, Why do you put the words 'ego' and 'self' together. Do you see those two words meaning the EXACT SAME thing/s?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.
So what does so-called 'life after death' NOT lack, exactly?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life.
So, WHERE do 'the experiences', which were amassed, exist, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.
But, if 'you' ARE DEAD, as you CLAIM, and what you MEAN by, 'after you die', then HOW could 'these experiences' 'join together', EXACTLY?

Obviously if the 'you' is NOT around, anymore, then HOW could that one's experiences be SHARED, which is what would be NEEDED to be ABLE TO 'join' WITH 'others experiences', right?

I would have thought that the term and phrase 'shared experiences' could only come-together WHEN 'past experiences' were ABLE TO BE SHARED.

Are 'you' ABLE TO SHARE 'your experiences' so-call 'after you die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
Now, it is said and written, 'your ego/self'.

So, who and/or what is 'this thing' that the 'your' word is referring to, exactly, which, supposedly, has, or owns, AN 'ego/self'?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am

Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies?
If that person is saying 'this', here, then if the words 'ego/self' is referring to the 'thought part' of 'you', then who and/or what is even the 'you', exactly?
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
The word 'person' or 'people' refers to the invisible part of 'human beings', which obviously includes the 'thoughts' as well as the 'emotions', within human bodies.

The visible body part is 'what' 'experiences', through any of the five senses, and what is experienced, then becomes 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions'.

Those 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions' only when SHARED become a part of 'the person' or 'the people', within other human bodies. Which is, exactly, what can, and does, 'live on'. Thus, WHY the saying, 'jesus lives on', or 'jesus is still alive', was and is said and written. It is 'the thoughts' from within 'that body', which the name and label "jesus christ" was assigned to, which is what is, obviously, still, 'living on', in the days when this is being written, and read. (Which, by the way, 'this understanding' relates to what is called, 'The second coming of jesus'. But, that is another topic of discussion.)

Another way of 'looking at' and 'seeing' this 'people living on' is thinking about 'grandparents'. Now, it is NOT just the 'thinking about' grandparents, which is keeping 'them' alive, and living on, it is what 'they' have INSTILLED, IN 'you'. Just as 'the ACTUAL thoughts', within 'the body', of 'that one', called "jesus christ", are 'still alive' and 'living on' like, for example, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’, so to do the words and experiences - 'the thoughts' - of what are referred to as parents, grand parents, great grand parents, et cetera, et cetera are also 'staying alive', 'living on', and being past down. (And, this, literal, 'passing on' will go on forever more, or until the demise of 'bodies' with the ability to capture and grasp 'thoughts' and 'thinking' 'end'.)

But, even if the ability to obtain, and 'pass on', 'thought/knowledge', within bodies, 'ends', what the 'actual bodies' have caused and created will have an ever-lasting effect on 'the world', or 'the Universe', (as 'we' know 'it'). By the way, EVERY behavior that a human body does was because of A, prior, 'thought', which, again, is just 'what' 'a person' IS, or 'you people' ARE, EXACTLY. So, in another sense, 'you' WILL live on, forever, because of what 'you' have created, and caused, through 'bodily interactions', 'behaviors' and/or 'misbehaving'.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies? and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
No,I don't mean that at all. I mean that you will die and all the people that knew you in life will die and you will be forgotten.
1. Who and/or what, exactly, supposedly, WILL so-call 'DIE'? In other words, who and/or what is A 'you', EXACTLY?

2. If 'you' 'behaved' like "jesus christ" did, then maybe 'you' will NEVER be forgotten.
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm there will be no more Fairy in any sense of Fairy.
And, who and/or what is "fairy", EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm However the experiences you had whilst you were alive were in fact happenings and that can't be denied,
So, was there then any REAL reason for saying 'this', here?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm even if the some of your experiences were dreams, hallucinations, or fantasies. Experiences can't be un-experienced. But the experiences that once were your own Fairy experiences are no longer yours once you are dead.
If 'those experiences' are, supposedly, NO longer "fairy's", 'after some particular event', then whose experiences are they 'now', exactly?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm Those experiences are now timeless and belong to truth itself.
And, what is 'truth', itself, exactly, which you claim things can 'belong' to?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies? and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
No,I don't mean that at all. I mean that you will die and all the people that knew you in life will die and you will be forgotten. there will be no more Fairy in any sense of Fairy.
So are you saying it is only the avatar ( Fairy ) that dies?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:07 pmHowever the experiences you had whilst you were alive were in fact happenings and that can't be denied, even if the some of your experiences were dreams, hallucinations, or fantasies. Experiences can't be un-experienced. But the experiences that once were your own Fairy experiences are no longer yours once you are dead. Those experiences are now timeless and belong to truth itself.
I agree happenings cannot unhappen. And that the happenings belong to truth itself, and not the avatar. So is the 'truth itself' (the ONE knower of everything?) and can you explain to me, how does the 'truth itself 'become known to itself, without a body, without a brain that the avatar ( Fairy ) was playing when that brain dies ?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:53 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:34 pm
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:51 am

Because these 'i's' leave an ever-lasting effect in one way or another. So, in a sense, each and EVERY, beginning, 'i' lives on forever more.
ok thanks

Another question...

Do these 'i's' that come into being, who are born, who have a beginning, who then live on forever more...are these 'i's' human? or something else?
To me, these 'i's', here, are the 'being' parts of the 'human being'. The 'human being' being made up of two things, or two parts, namely the 'human' AND the 'being'. The 'human' word referring to the visible body part, AND, the 'being' word referring to the invisible part, which is what the 'person' or 'people' words refer to, exactly. The invisible part just being the thoughts and emotions, within visible human bodies.
Ok, I'm following that so far.

But I have more questions...

Q1: So coming back to Fairy AKA ( the human avatar body part ) and (the invisible being part ) __ Which part of the (two things) the human being is made up of....can ask the question....(Is that even possible, to know everything?)


Q2: And also, which part of the (two things) the human being is made up of.....AKA ( AGE the human avatar body part ) and (the invisible being part can ask the question ...(HOW could 'the One', 'Everything', NOT ALREADY KNOW ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing?)

Can you answer those two questions please so that a 3 year old can understand it?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:47 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
The ego/ self will end when you die. Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.

Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life. After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies?
If that person is saying 'this', here, then if the words 'ego/self' is referring to the 'thought part' of 'you', then who and/or what is even the 'you', exactly?
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
The word 'person' or 'people' refers to the invisible part of 'human beings', which obviously includes the 'thoughts' as well as the 'emotions', within human bodies.

The visible body part is 'what' 'experiences', through any of the five senses, and what is experienced, then becomes 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions'.

Those 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions' only when SHARED become a part of 'the person' or 'the people', within other human bodies. Which is, exactly, what can, and does, 'live on'. Thus, WHY the saying, 'jesus lives on', or 'jesus is still alive', was and is said and written. It is 'the thoughts' from within 'that body', which the name and label "jesus christ" was assigned to, which is what is, obviously, still, 'living on', in the days when this is being written, and read. (Which, by the way, 'this understanding' relates to what is called, 'The second coming of jesus'. But, that is another topic of discussion.)

But, even if the ability to obtain, and 'pass on', 'thought/knowledge', within bodies, 'ends', what the 'actual bodies' have caused and created will have an ever-lasting effect on 'the world', or 'the Universe', (as 'we' know 'it').
So here in this explanation, it seems like what is being hinted at is that there is only a vast ocean of information that never dies, and lives on forever. And that each born avatar is only a finite carrier of the infinite potential information that already exists withing the infinite field of possibility ..and that the birth of the avatar's job is to play a finite role in a unique particular story based on the information available to it during it's finite presence, actualising that information into an experience as this known manifested reality....and the duration of the experience is just one experience of an infinite amount of possibilities plucked out of the vast void womb of potential.

And that it is not the Avatar or human body that lives on, it's the information that lives on, or maybe what could otherwise be known as the universal invisible SOUL.

Is that fair to say, or is my view on this.. still off track?
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:19 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:04 am

Another question..

Regarding the 'i' who was born, who had a beginning - how can 'i' that is born, had a beginning, will never end?
The ego/ self will end when you die.

But, who and/or what is a 'you', exactly, to you, which you claim WILL so-call 'die'?

And, how, exactly, are you defining the words,
'ego',
'self',
'you', and
'die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
There is so much to CLARIFY, here, AS WELL.

you said and claimed that 'it' is a good habit that supports life, but what is the 'it' word, here, referring to, exactly?

Is 'it' the ego/self, the habit of thinking, thinking, one living, or something else?

Once you CLARIFY 'it', then 'we' can move along, here. I will then be able to more clearly ask you further clarifying questions.

Like for example, Why do you put the words 'ego' and 'self' together. Do you see those two words meaning the EXACT SAME thing/s?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.
So what does so-called 'life after death' NOT lack, exactly?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life.
So, WHERE do 'the experiences', which were amassed, exist, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.
But, if 'you' ARE DEAD, as you CLAIM, and what you MEAN by, 'after you die', then HOW could 'these experiences' 'join together', EXACTLY?

Obviously if the 'you' is NOT around, anymore, then HOW could that one's experiences be SHARED, which is what would be NEEDED to be ABLE TO 'join' WITH 'others experiences', right?

I would have thought that the term and phrase 'shared experiences' could only come-together WHEN 'past experiences' were ABLE TO BE SHARED.

Are 'you' ABLE TO SHARE 'your experiences' so-call 'after you die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
Now, it is said and written, 'your ego/self'.

So, who and/or what is 'this thing' that the 'your' word is referring to, exactly, which, supposedly, has, or owns, AN 'ego/self'?
I should warn the theory of being that I'm trying to explain is not very popular and is not usually easy to understand. Thanks for your patient persistence.

The 'I' does certainly end when the individual dies. This is why we mourn a dead, friend because there is no beloved 'other 'I' to relate to.
During life, the habit of belief that there be selves is a good habit because we need to relate to others in practical ways.

The expression 'life after death' is misleading because there is no life after death. We live our lives here within time spans. When lives end so does time end for us when we die. The living must live with time: the dead do not live with time as the dead do not live at all.

The experiences you amassed during your life exist eternally but not existence in time or space. The eternal now is a difficult concept to grasp, although some people appear to have grasped the concept---Spinoza for one. Eternity is not a where or a when but is existence itself without time or duration. Once you have existed(which you have) you cannot un-exist in the form of the experiences you once had, These experiences don't depend on people's memories and opinions, or history books: they depend on existence itself.

These experiences which in life were limited to yourself are ,after you are deceased, not limited to individual selves. but join the whole of what exists without division into 'his experience', 'her experience' , 'its experience', 'my experience','or your experience'.

These experiences can be 'shared' because once the individual is dead the individual no longer exists as an individual and will soon no longer exist in memories. There is no need for speech or writing for sharing because, after death of the brainmind there is no barrier to understanding . Understanding happens without any need for a subject who understands. That there will be no need for a subject of understanding is the most non-intuitive idea to get to grips with, I have been following the above theory of existence for a year or two and I still find it difficult to grasp that understanding does not require a subject that does the understanding.

The thing that the 'your' word refers to and which supposedly owns an ego or self is the living body and its subjective mind. It's an interesting speculation that humans may be the only animal that can conceive of self, although once I had a keen- sighted dog who used to look at herself in a full length mirror. Whether or no she presumed the dog in the mirror was herself I never discovered.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:53 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:34 pm

ok thanks

Another question...

Do these 'i's' that come into being, who are born, who have a beginning, who then live on forever more...are these 'i's' human? or something else?
To me, these 'i's', here, are the 'being' parts of the 'human being'. The 'human being' being made up of two things, or two parts, namely the 'human' AND the 'being'. The 'human' word referring to the visible body part, AND, the 'being' word referring to the invisible part, which is what the 'person' or 'people' words refer to, exactly. The invisible part just being the thoughts and emotions, within visible human bodies.
Ok, I'm following that so far.

But I have more questions...

Q1: So coming back to Fairy AKA ( the human avatar body part ) and (the invisible being part ) __ Which part of the (two things) the human being is made up of....can ask the question....(Is that even possible, to know everything?)
your question, here, to me, is not really clear and i am reading your question in a couple of different ways, so i will answer it in both ways. If both answers are not answering what you are asking, then just ask 'it' in another way if you can.

1. It is the invisible 'thinking' part, which makes up questions, however, it is the visible 'body' part, which is what is able to ask questions, either through writing, usually with the arms and hands, or through speech, obviously with the mouth.

2. It is an absolute impossibility for just one human being to 'know' everything. The only way everything is 'known' is by EVERY one's 'knowing' COMBINED. Remember, 'every one', together, is the One. Which is, again, the One, and only One, that KNOWS EVERY thing.
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am
Q2: And also, which part of the (two things) the human being is made up of.....AKA ( AGE the human avatar body part ) and (the invisible being part can ask the question ...(HOW could 'the One', 'Everything', NOT ALREADY KNOW ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing?)
Again, i am not understanding your question, here, clearly.

But, if you are asking 'what part' of the 'human being' is asking the questions, here, that is; 'Is it the 'human' part, or, the 'being' part', which ask questions? The, hopefully, this was answered above.

And, I asked you 'that question', which you put in brackets, above, because it would be an impossibility for the COMBINED absolutely EVERY thing, as One, to NOT KNOW EVERY thing.

The ONLY 'one' that could, and does, know EVERY thing is the One, and ONLY One, Everything.
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am Can you answer those two questions please so that a 3 year old can understand it?
Firstly, i will have to understand those two question Correctly, BEFORE i could even begin to answer those two questions so younger human beings could understand the answer/s.

If I am understanding your questions, here, Correctly, then it is the 'thoughts', within human bodies, which makes up 'questions', (again the words 'person' or 'people' refers to the 'thoughts' and 'emotions' only and NOT the body at all), AND, it is the 'body', which asks the 'questions', either through the speech or the writings from 'the body'.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:38 am
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:47 pm
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm

So are you saying, the ego self is the 'thought' part of you that dies?
If that person is saying 'this', here, then if the words 'ego/self' is referring to the 'thought part' of 'you', then who and/or what is even the 'you', exactly?
Fairy wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:37 pm and the experiences you amassed in life will live on forever in the 'thoughts' of the people who are still alive. ?
The word 'person' or 'people' refers to the invisible part of 'human beings', which obviously includes the 'thoughts' as well as the 'emotions', within human bodies.

The visible body part is 'what' 'experiences', through any of the five senses, and what is experienced, then becomes 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions'.

Those 'thoughts' and/or 'emotions' only when SHARED become a part of 'the person' or 'the people', within other human bodies. Which is, exactly, what can, and does, 'live on'. Thus, WHY the saying, 'jesus lives on', or 'jesus is still alive', was and is said and written. It is 'the thoughts' from within 'that body', which the name and label "jesus christ" was assigned to, which is what is, obviously, still, 'living on', in the days when this is being written, and read. (Which, by the way, 'this understanding' relates to what is called, 'The second coming of jesus'. But, that is another topic of discussion.)

But, even if the ability to obtain, and 'pass on', 'thought/knowledge', within bodies, 'ends', what the 'actual bodies' have caused and created will have an ever-lasting effect on 'the world', or 'the Universe', (as 'we' know 'it').
So here in this explanation, it seems like what is being hinted at is that there is only a vast ocean of information that never dies, and lives on forever. And that each born avatar is only a finite carrier of the infinite potential information that already exists withing the infinite field of possibility
What do you mean by and with the word 'avatar', exactly?
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am ..and that the birth of the avatar's job is to play a finite role in a unique particular story based on the information available to it during it's finite presence, actualising that information into an experience as this known manifested reality....and the duration of the experience is just one experience of an infinite amount of possibilities plucked out of the vast void womb of potential.
To me, 'matter' just 'comes together' to form different shapes of 'objects'. One of them being the human body. Human bodies are born, from the coming together of two other human bodies. And, after A human body is born, that body just 'experiences' things/the word/Universe around 'it'. Those experiences enter 'the body' through any or all of the five senses, which are held 'within the brain', as 'thoughts'. 'Thoughts' are where information, or knowledge, is held and/or stored. Which, some of, get shared with other brains, and when these brains come-together, then 'experiences' and information/knowledge can be shared. And, when ALL comes-together, as One, then this is WHEN 'this One', is the ONLY One that can and does KNOW EVERY thing.
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am And that it is not the Avatar or human body that lives on, it's the information that lives on, or maybe what could otherwise be known as the universal invisible SOUL.
The word 'soul' refers to the invisible temporary 'one' within individual human bodies. The word that refers to the universal invisible eternal One, within the Universe is the word 'Spirit'.
Fairy wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:20 am Is that fair to say, or is my view on this.. still off track?
That is up to 'you' to DECIDE.

But, if ANY view could not be AGREED WITH, by EVERY one, then 'that view' IS 'off track'.

ONLY what IS the True, Right, Accurate, and Correct Knowledge, TO absolutely EVERY one, is 'the view', which is 'ON T.R.A.C.K.', and which IS IRREFUTABLE, by the way.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm
Age wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:19 pm
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm
The ego/ self will end when you die.

But, who and/or what is a 'you', exactly, to you, which you claim WILL so-call 'die'?

And, how, exactly, are you defining the words,
'ego',
'self',
'you', and
'die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Because the ego/self is no more than a habit of thinking, and as long as one lives, it's a good habit that supports life.
There is so much to CLARIFY, here, AS WELL.

you said and claimed that 'it' is a good habit that supports life, but what is the 'it' word, here, referring to, exactly?

Is 'it' the ego/self, the habit of thinking, thinking, one living, or something else?

Once you CLARIFY 'it', then 'we' can move along, here. I will then be able to more clearly ask you further clarifying questions.

Like for example, Why do you put the words 'ego' and 'self' together. Do you see those two words meaning the EXACT SAME thing/s?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm So-called 'life after death' lacks bodies and ego/selves.
So what does so-called 'life after death' NOT lack, exactly?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Arguably the part of you that will never end is the experiences you amassed in life.
So, WHERE do 'the experiences', which were amassed, exist, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm After you die, arguably these experiences will join together with all other peoples' experiences, including the experiences of animals.
But, if 'you' ARE DEAD, as you CLAIM, and what you MEAN by, 'after you die', then HOW could 'these experiences' 'join together', EXACTLY?

Obviously if the 'you' is NOT around, anymore, then HOW could that one's experiences be SHARED, which is what would be NEEDED to be ABLE TO 'join' WITH 'others experiences', right?

I would have thought that the term and phrase 'shared experiences' could only come-together WHEN 'past experiences' were ABLE TO BE SHARED.

Are 'you' ABLE TO SHARE 'your experiences' so-call 'after you die'?
Belinda wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm Your ego/self is one experience among other experiences and when you are dead what were in life private subjective experiences will be facets of total and absolute truth.
Now, it is said and written, 'your ego/self'.

So, who and/or what is 'this thing' that the 'your' word is referring to, exactly, which, supposedly, has, or owns, AN 'ego/self'?
I should warn the theory of being that I'm trying to explain is not very popular and is not usually easy to understand. Thanks for your patient persistence.

The 'I' does certainly end when the individual dies.
To 'you', but HOW do you SEPARATE 'you' human beings from the One and ONLY One, also known as 'S.A.G.E.' and/or the Spirit Allah God Enlightenment?

I SEPARATE the TWO by USING 'i' and 'I'. Hopefully which one is referring to which one does not need to be explained.

Also, what are you referring to, EXACTLY, when you say and write, 'individual'?
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm This is why we mourn a dead, friend because there is no beloved 'other 'I' to relate to.
What I have observed and noticed is that you people do NOT actually mourn 'the one' who is said to have 'died', but you are actually 'mourning' 'your loss', instead. (But, this is for another topic.)
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm During life, the habit of belief that there be selves is a good habit because we need to relate to others in practical ways.
OF COURSE there ARE 'selves'. 'They' are, literally, you people. EACH individual 'self' IS the 'individual thoughts' WITHIN an 'individual human body'.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm The expression 'life after death' is misleading because there is no life after death.
The term or phrase 'life after death' REFERS TO, AFTER 'this greedy and selfish way of life' ENDS, or DIES, then the NEW 'peaceful and harmonious life' BEGINS. But, because you adult human beings, in the days when this is being written are SO GREEDY and SELFISH, you SEE and INTERPRET 'that phrase or term' as being in relation to 'you individual selves'. And, you do this in 'your HOPE' of living forever more.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm We live our lives here within time spans. When lives end so does time end for us when we die. The living must live with time: the dead do not live with time as the dead do not live at all.
Like "fairy", to me, you have, and are, just OVER COMPLICATING what IS, ESSENTIALLY, ABSOLUTELY Truly JUST BASIC and SIMPLE. you are PLACING CONFUSION ONTO what is SO MUCH EASIER TO COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm The experiences you amassed during your life exist eternally but not existence in time or space.
So-called "scientists" can NOT even AGREE UPON and ACCEPT A DEFINITION for the words 'time' AND 'space'. So, 'trying to' BRING these words, in here, as though you KNOW what you are talking ABOUT is NOT ACTUALLY WORKING.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm The eternal now is a difficult concept to grasp, although some people appear to have grasped the concept.
SO, the ACTUAL Truth IS. Some people have GRASPED the 'eternal NOW', while you HAVE NOT, correct?

If yes, then just because you have NOT YET GRASPED A CONCEPT, this, in and of itself, NEVER EVER MEANS that 'that concept' is a 'DIFFICULT CONCEPT', AT ALL.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm --Spinoza for one. Eternity is not a where or a when but is existence itself without time or duration. Once you have existed(which you have) you cannot un-exist in the form of the experiences you once had, These experiences don't depend on people's memories and opinions, or history books: they depend on existence itself.

These experiences which in life were limited to yourself are ,after you are deceased, not limited to individual selves. but join the whole of what exists without division into 'his experience', 'her experience' , 'its experience', 'my experience','or your experience'.
The word, term, and phrase, "yourself", IS AN OXYMORON and A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm These experiences can be 'shared' because once the individual is dead the individual no longer exists as an individual and will soon no longer exist in memories.
you have, OBVIOUSLY, MISSED THE ACTUAL POINT, which I was SAYING, WRITING, and EXPRESSING above here.

The thinking, that is; the values, views, beliefs, opinions, et cetera, themselves, within a human body IS what GETS 'PASSED ON'.

'The thinking', within a human body, IS the 'you', or the 'person'. And, it is 'this' that gets 'passed on' and thus 'lives on'. 'The memory' OF someone else is ANOTHER thing.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm There is no need for speech or writing for sharing because, after death of the brainmind there is no barrier to understanding .
I WILL, ONCE AGAIN, SUGGEST that you SEEK OUT, and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARIFICATION, BEFORE you even START TO BEGIN TO ASSUME things, here. That way you will NOT KEEP MISSING and/or MISUNDERSTANDING what 'it' IS that I AM ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING, here.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm Understanding happens without any need for a subject who understands.
BY who and/or what, EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm That there will be no need for a subject of understanding is the most non-intuitive idea to get to grips with, I have been following the above theory of existence for a year or two and I still find it difficult to grasp that understanding does not require a subject that does the understanding.
So, AGAIN, who and/or what is 'it' that does 'the understanding', EXACTLY?
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm The thing that the 'your' word refers to and which supposedly owns an ego or self is the living body and its subjective mind.
Human bodies PRODUCE 'the self', and, the 'thoughts', or 'you'. But, human bodies CERTAINLY DO NOT OWN 'you', people, thoughts, NOR 'selves'.

Unless, OF COURSE, 'you' WANT TO BELIEVE that JUST 'matter', itself, OWNS 'you'.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm It's an interesting speculation that humans may be the only animal that can conceive of self, although once I had a keen- sighted dog who used to look at herself in a full length mirror.
RELATING 'knowing thy self', or 'self-realization', is IN REFERENCE TO 'mirrors', SHOW and PROVES JUST HOW FAR BEHIND these people, here, REALLY WERE.
Belinda wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:23 pm Whether or no she presumed the dog in the mirror was herself I never discovered.
And, 'you' NEVER WILL. Just like 'you' WILL NEVER KNOW IF what 'you' see and perceive as 'red' is 'red' OR 'another color', to me.

HOWEVER, what 'we' CAN, and DO, DO is COME-TOGETHER, IN AGREEMENT.

Which, by the way, IS WHERE Truth IS FOUND, UNCOVERED, and REVEALED.
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Re: The AGE of confusion.

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Age wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:32 pm your question, here, to me, is not really clear and i am reading your question in a couple of different ways, so i will answer it in both ways. If both answers are not answering what you are asking, then just ask 'it' in another way if you can.

1. It is the invisible 'thinking' part, which makes up questions, however, it is the visible 'body' part, which is what is able to ask questions, either through writing, usually with the arms and hands, or through speech, obviously with the mouth.

2. It is an absolute impossibility for just one human being to 'know' everything. The only way everything is 'known' is by EVERY one's 'knowing' COMBINED. Remember, 'every one', together, is the One. Which is, again, the One, and only One, that KNOWS EVERY thing.
Thank you.

Both your answers are perfectly understood to m e here. I'm very satisfied those two answers. How you've worded these answers is how I see it too. So I agree with you AGE

I was rather hoping for an answer like this from you, and you did not disappoint, you delivered. I'm beginning to understand you better now. And I never gave up hope that we would both eventually be on the same page.
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