Virgin Weddings???

[Wizard22]

I've had one other Username on this forum, a long time ago, but you wouldn't recognize it.

The POINT is...drum roll... I don't fucking care.

...you cared enough to say it?

Oh please, most nuns were raving lesbians.

You wish

[accelafine]

I've had one other Username on this forum, a long time ago, but you wouldn't recognize it.

The POINT is...drum roll... I don't fucking care.

...you cared enough to say it?

Oh please, most nuns were raving lesbians.

You wish

It's a known fact. You live in a dream world.

[Wizard22]

It's a known fact. You live in a dream world.

On the contrary, I live in nightmare world:

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/g ... f-horrors/

Your world.

[accelafine]

It's a known fact. You live in a dream world.

On the contrary, I live in nightmare world:

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/g ... f-horrors/

Your world.

Not lesbian nuns though...

[Wizard22]

What the fuck are you rolling your eyes at? My username clearly says accelafine, fuckwit. You do realise that a username is not a person's actual name, don't you, unless they use their ACTUAL NAME? Could you not take your thickness somewhere else? I'm sure there are plenty of forums for idiots like you.

I don't care about "Usernames" on a forum...you type exactly like VegetarianTaxidermy did/does. Your logic is the same. And Gaslighting isn't gonna work on me, either!

If you want to keep the secret, then so be it. I'll participate in your farce!

Not lesbian nuns though...

God's Perfect Little Angels?

[accelafine]

What the fuck are you rolling your eyes at? My username clearly says accelafine, fuckwit. You do realise that a username is not a person's actual name, don't you, unless they use their ACTUAL NAME? Could you not take your thickness somewhere else? I'm sure there are plenty of forums for idiots like you.

I don't care about "Usernames" on a forum...you type exactly like VegetarianTaxidermy did/does. Your logic is the same. And Gaslighting isn't gonna work on me, either!

If you want to keep the secret, then so be it. I'll participate in your farce!

Not lesbian nuns though...

God's Perfect Little Angels?

You are so thick it hurts

[Age]

And, who inspected the genitals of the "nun" and the "sisters"? "Themselves"? Or, did they not have to be "virgins"?

Some nuns were devoted to lifelong chastity, same as priests.

HOW would you KNOW?

Did you CHECK them? Or, did you get "fathers" to CHECK them, FOR you?

Others, I believe, joined the Sisterhood as means of penance and repentance. So there might have been reformed, previously promiscuous women among them.

you ARE COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF COMPREHENDING, and ANSWERING, the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that I pose, and ask you, right?

But, WHY would someone tell the Truth if they were going to be judged, disciplined, punished, humiliated, and/or not be allowed to do what they wanted to do, like, for example, 'getting married'?

Because some families value Truth, Trust, and Wisdom of their Elders, before short-term gains and hedonistic pursuits.

ONCE AGAIN, you did NOT COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND the ACTUAL QUESTION that I posed, and asked you, here.

Also, let 'us' NOT FORGET that it was the so-called 'wisdom of the elders', which has LED the "west" TO THE MESS that it is in, in the days when this is being written.

LOL Why did they, supposedly, HAVE TO?

Also, this one, OBVIOUSLY, still has absolutely NO idea what the word 'marriage' was actually meaning and referring to, EXACTLY.

Because promiscuous women cannot Marry in a House of God. It's a Sin, and a violation of His Law.

AGAIN, this one, OBVIOUSLY, has NO idea NOR clue as to what the words 'sin' AND 'marriage' ACTUALLY MEAN and REFER TO, EXACTLY.

It's a betrayal, to God and Husband. Trust in her, like her hymen, is already broken. She's devoted to another man, not her Husband.

you, and your kind, are VERY 'INSECURE', here.

So, to this one anyway, ALL "orphans" are BECAUSE their biological fathers abandoned them when they were born. And, there were NO other reasons.

I didn't come up with the Terms and Rules or God's Laws...so don't blame me for it.

See, HOW ones like 'this one' KEEP 'trying to' DEFLECT, and DECEIVE, WHEN I SHOW and POINT OUT their CONTRADICTIONS, INCONSISTENCIES, and/or Falsehoods.

If you abandon your children, then that is Bastardization.

TO 'you', and 'your society', ONLY.

Bastards beget more bastards.

LOL And, WHO begot the FIRST so-called "bastard"? God, Itself?

The term "Bastard" is derogatory against promiscuous and sloven peasants.

you speak, here, as though 'you', and 'your ilk', are NOT the LOWEST of them ALL.

In the Medieval Eras, when Catholicism dominated, a family's reputation meant everything. You couldn't rise up in Class, while going against the Church and God's Laws.

That people, like you, create and see 'class' just SHOWS and PROVES HOW LOW you REALLY ARE.

This meant that your family had to subscribe to Morals and Ethics, often against personal will or individualistic desire.

WHO CARES?

you are OBVIOUSLY DESCRIBING and EXPLAINING the very reasons WHY 'your society', or the "west", STARTED its DECLINE.

LOL This one could not be MORE NARROWED or CLOSED in its view/s, here?

Also, LOL 'should'.

So you'd rather complete strangers take care of your orphaned children, should you die, than your own family and kin?

That's ridiculous.

Just how Truly BLIND and CLOSED this one REALLY IS would be UNBELIEVABLE if it was NOT ALREADY, EXACTLY, KNOWN WHY it IS.

And, WHY this one MAKES and JUMPS TO these Truly ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS and STUPID ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS is ALSO ALREADY KNOWN, AS WELL.

I only asked you, What even is a 'bastard', to you.

No one really cares what other views you have, here.

Everybody cares, especially you.

REALLY?

Name ONE person, here, who REALLY CARES about 'your views', here.

But, HOW is a father meant to 'be there' with the daughters ALWAYS?

you really do have some very funny views and BELIEFS, here.

It's called Trust, something foreign to you, obviously.

So, all one HAS TO DO, in 'your view' is just 'Trust' the daughter AND ALL of the males around her.

Like I said, BEFORE, you REALLY do have some very funny views and BELIEFS, here.

Which you are a part of and part of a cause of, correct?

Or, do you not include "yourself", here?

Yes, if I had a daughter, then I'd not want her cavorting with peasants, the circus, gypsies, criminals, drug-dealers, and the like.

ONCE AGAIN, this one has COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED AND MISUNDERSTOOD what is being SAID, and MEANT.

This SHOULD BE common sense. But it's not, in 2025. This is something you have to re-educate the public with, even so-called "Adults".

So, AMONG the "NON PEASANTS", like "yourself", you, and 'your ilk', should NOT BE 'cavorting' WITH THE "peasants", correct?

WHY did you only mention and talk about "women" and "mothers" doing as bad, sometimes worse, than some "fathers" and "men", but TOTALLY IGNORED that you, ALSO, do things that others DETEST, and HATE, ABSOLUTELY.

If your questions are an indictment against me, personally, then go ahead and ask your questions. Otherwise we're generalizing about the behaviors of ALL Western men and women.

ONCE AGAIN, as can be VERY CLEARLY SEEN, here, this one TOTALLY IGNORES what it does NOT WANT TO LOOK AT, and ADMIT.

What this one is DOING, here, is about the WORST, if NOT the WORST, thing ANY one can do ON EARTH.

See, how 'these people' will NOT just ANSWER VERY SIMPLE CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and asked, to them.

This one's response, here, ONCE AGAIN, did NOT relate to ANY of the three ACTUAL CLARIFYING QUESTIONS asked.

That's because your computerized Q&A is a daunting feat, AgeGPT. You go off on countless, infinite tangents. It's difficult for normal humans to keep up with you.

ONCE AGAIN, this human being is 'TRYING' it's HARDEST to 'TRY TO' 'justify' the Fact that it is NOT ABLE to JUST ANSWER VERY SIMPLE and EASY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

Go ahead then, inform me.

Are you SAYING that you are NOT YET AWARE of the CONTRADICTION, and HYPOCRISY, here?

If you ANSWER with a 'Yes', then I WILL INFORM you.

Yes, go ahead then, inform me.

FINALLY.

What you are doing, here, is one of the WORST behaviors a human being can do, if not it IS THE WORST.

Now, doing 'this', while criticizing others for doing Wrong is INCONSISTENT, or CONTRADICTORY, and HYPOCRITICAL, at the least.

Is your opening post a so-called 'real argument', or, just what you believe is true and/or something else?

Feel free to ANSWER the ACTUAL QUESTION whenever you like.

Yes, it's a real argument.

Are you REALLY SURE?

your first line is just a question, only.

your second line is just what *you feel, only.

your third line is just another question, only.

your next sentence is just a question, only.

your following sentence is just your answer, to your previous question, only,

your next sentence is just your view and opinion, only.

your last sentence is just another one of *your feelings, only.

(*They are, actually, NOT 'your feelings', although you CLAIMED that they are. They are, in fact, your thoughts, only.)

It used to be common practice, in previous Centuries and Eras, in Europe, that potential Brides wanting to marry, had to be virgin and chaste.

WHO CARES?

A LOT of things HAPPENED and OCCURRED BACK in the 'olden days', when this was being written, and before, but, REALLY, WHO CARES?

Contrary to what you WANT, and DESIRE, ALL things KEEP CHANGING.

And if they weren't, then they could not be married in the House of God.

In case you were UNAWARE, if there is A 'house' OF God, then it is the Universe, Itself. It CERTAINLY IS NOT some human being created little shelter.

This practice was lost, and Western Civilization witnesses the results today.

So, THE REASON WHY the "western civilization" is 'the way' it is, in the days when this is being written, is BECAUSE "non virgin women" got 'married' in churches. Well according to "wizard22" anyway.

Eventually, its practiced became absorbed among the Highest classes, Royalty, Nobility, Monarchs...but the middle and lower classes, serfs and peasants, left it behind.

you could NOT be MORE AGAINST what is classed as God's LAW, here.

"Protestantism" made it worse, because as seen in America today, they'll marry anybody for any reason: cats, dogs, homosexuals, you name it, they'll "marry" it. So it's a mockery of Religion, Western culture, and most other morals.

AGAIN, you have absolutely NO idea NOR clue as to what the word 'marry', here, even MEANS and is REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

And, you WILL PROVE 'this' WHEN you are UNABLE TO ANSWER the QUESTION, 'What does the word 'marry' MEAN, and REFER TO, EXACTLY, in scripture literature?

It's the exact opposite of Tradition, Religion, and Moral values. Today is upside-down world.

LOL If you ONLY KNEW "wizard22". If you ONLY KNEW.

What happens if a female body is born without a hymen? Can they NEVER get married?

Or is that an IMPOSSIBILITY, to you.

It would be up to the Church; I imagine they would say No. If girls break their hymen, not through sex, then they're still out and cannot be married.

you are SHOWING and PROVING WHY the so-called 'church/es' would be BEST BURNED DOWN, and REMOVED, FOREVER MORE.

Are "virgin guys" NOT talked about, nor discussed, in school, among "teenage boys and girls"?

If 'a guy is a virgin or not' is a topic of discussion, sometimes, among "teenage boys and/or girls", does this MEAN that those "boys and girls" did NOT learn, at 13 years of age, what you, supposedly, did?

Again, boys/men/males cannot be "virgins" because they don't have vaginas, and therefore don't have hymens.

ONCE AGAIN this one IS PROVING just HOW CLOSED it REALLY IS.

Males can be 'sexless', yes, innocent or ignorant about sex. And this is something that needs addressed. But a young male who had sex previously, can be married, yes.

LOL I am not even going to ask you WHY this is all right to you and the other way around is not.

Virginity is about females, not males.

OBVIOUSLY it IS, TO you.

But, you could not be MORE CLOSED, and MORE BLIND and STUPID, here.

Gender/Sex is NOT "Equal". Males and females are not Equal.

'They' are, supposedly, NOT Equal, with a capital 'e', in regards to 'what', EXACTLY?

[Age]

Are you AWARE of just how Truly 'JUDGEY' you are.

are you even AWARE that how you are coming across, here, is even MORE DETESTED, and HATED, than the DETEST, and HATRED, that you have for human beings who do not FOLLOW and ABIDE BY your views, and values?

you seem to be COMPLETELY OBLIVIOUS to the Fact that what you are doing, here, is even MORE HATED than the HATRED you have.

And, what you are doing, here, is HATED, MORE, by the ONLY One who can JUSTIFIABLY JUDGE.

What WILL BE SEEN on what is sometimes referred to as JUDGMENT DAY is that what you are DOING, here, is JUDGED AS the WORST of THE WORST.

Technically, they're not "MY" views and values. They're the Catholic Church's morals and views, which they put into practice for thousands of years.

'They' were also 'PUT', or INDOCTRINATED, IN TO 'you', as well.

Here is "MY" view and value--if it worked, and worked well, then shouldn't it be reviewed?

If 'it' works, and works well, FOR EVERY one, then, OBVIOUSLY, 'it' should be reviewed, and USED.

But, let 'us' see if 'it' could and would work, WELL, FOR EVERY one.

OBVIOUSLY what you have been talking about NEVER worked WELL FOR EVERY one.

Shouldn't it be compared to today, where the exact-opposite values are held by "Liberals"? I believe it should.

As Philosophers and Philosophy, I believe there's a duty to look into things like this, if and especially when it may benefit people or entire societies to do so.

But, what you want 'us' to 'look into' is just ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, and IRRATIONAL.

'ghetto types'.

Could you be MORE of a 'judgey type' "wizard22"?

It's not me being "judgmental".

LOL you TALK ABOUT the so-called "pheasants". you could NOT be MORE JUDGMENTAL, here, even if you WANTED TO BE.

It's just the truth.

LOL you are AS DELUDED, as you ARE JUDGMENTAL.

Lots of low-class people live in ghettos. Why is this a problem for you?

LOL And you BELIEVE that you are NOT being JUDGMENTAL.

you could not get ANYMORE CLOSED and DELUSIONAL, here.

And, what does God and/or "jesus christ" SAY in regards to people, like you, 'judging others', EXACTLY?

I presume Jesus H. Christ, Lord and Savior of Humanity, may agree with me.

you PRESUME Wrong, AND Incorrect, ONCE AGAIN.

The lowest classes and most despairing people, are most in need of Moral and Ethical rehabilitation.

This is DELUSION in its HIGHEST DEGREE, besides being JUDGMENTAL in the HIGHEST DEGREE, AS WELL.

So they NEED moral guidance, spiritual guidance, more than everybody else. As mentioned, the highest classes, who still practice these strict morals, don't "NEED" reaffirmation since they already believe in these principles.

'Now', you are JUST JOKING, right?

Or, as some would say, you are just 'taking the piss', here, now.

It's the low, who if they wished to 'Rise Up', or at least live decent and somewhat happy lives, that they ought to listen.

you ARE 'trying to' 'take the piss', here, now.

And, the "west", and its STEEP DESCENT, CAME FROM "christians" and/or "catholicism". So, OBVIOUSLY, what does this SAY ABOUT "catholicism" and/or "christianity", itself.

No it didn't...the STEEP DESCENT came from Westerners renouncing and rejecting Christianity, aka Catholicism.

JUST MAYBE 'the messages' that were getting PAST DOWN have been MISINTERPRETED, MISUNDERSTOOD, MISPERCEIVED, MISTAKEN, and/or JUST PLAIN OLD MISSED, from what was ORIGINALLY MEANT?

Obviously it's easy for morals to spoil, ethics and society to go bad and rotten.

OBVIOUSLY NONE of 'these people', here, UNDERSTOOD what the word 'marriage' ORIGINALLY MEANT. As that word has been VERY CLEARLY TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT.

Peasants and the lower classes do not understand the value of Marriage, or marrying in the House of God, or making Oaths to God, or Promises.

Marriage is one of these; it is arguably the most Sacred ceremony of life. Because a man and woman, husband and bride, are then devoted to procreation and making children together.

LOL you are just SAYING and CLAIMING that "the west" is on a downhill spiral BECAUSE of "fathers" who, supposedly, 'do not give a shit', as you call it.

So, what is 'it', here, "wizard22"? If "the west" is in such a DECLINE, as you say and claim it is, then WHY is this, if LOL 99% of the rest of "the west" are "fathers" who 'give a shit'?

Fathers AND Mothers, yes.

Bastardization is leading, or it definitely coincides at least, with the degradation of Western Civilization. Feminization, "No Fault Divorce" is a major sign and culprit. Veg's defensiveness here in the thread, betrays the truth. She detests the idea of virgin/chaste marriages. So that's symbolic. Feminists have a lot to answer for, here.

I'm sorry that your father abandoned you, and obviously didn't care what kind of low-quality men sleazed their way into your affections.

LOL 'This', REALLY, was 'the way' some adult human beings thought was 'the way' to DISCUSS things. And, WORST OF ALL, in a 'philosophy forum', of all places. 'This', REALLY, was HOW BAD things had gotten, BACK in the 'olden days' when this was being written.

I agree, it has gotten bad, hence why I wrote it.

It doesn't make sense to me why Veg, or other women, wouldn't want to defend their daughter's innocence from 'Bad' men, or predatory men who want to 'pump & dump' their daughters. Who, in their right mind, wants their daughter to become a prostitute or single-mother??? Tell me, AgeGPT, dammit tell me!

One of the MAIN REASONS WHY things had gotten SO BAD, was BECAUSE adults would just NOT 'look at' what they, "themselves", did, but, instead, almost always 'LOOKED AT' what 'others' would do, and did.

The REASON WHY CHANGE, for the BETTER, took SO LONG to HAPPEN, and OCCUR, was BECAUSE of 'this' almost always 'LOOKING AT' 'the other', and NEVER 'AT' "themselves". And, if they ever did 'LOOK AT' "themselves" is was ALSO ALMOST ALWAYS ONLY 'CRITICALLY', AS WELL. NEVER for CHANGE SAKE, and to BECOME WISER. But, to just REGRET, and/or CRITICIZE.

This is BULLSHIT, AgeGPT.

LOL And what does God and/or "jesus christ" SAY, EXACTLY, about 'being proud' and 'outspoken or boastful'?

ONCE AGAIN, this one is ABSOLUTELY OBLIVIOUS to just how CONTRADICTORY, and HYPOCRITICAL, it REALLY IS, here.

If God is proud of making Mankind, then God would be proud of a Father and Mother making beautiful, happy, healthy, moral Children.

That would be where Pride is NOT and NEVER a Sin. It is always a beautiful thing--the most beautiful in fact.

Yes I do believe God wants Humanity to be PROUD of their children.

LOL Yes I AM SURE God, and/or "jesus christ" PROMOTE the loving and caring of SOME, ONLY, and the JUDGING, HATING, and RIDICULING of 'the others'.

"wizard22" it appears that you could not become MORE BACKWARDS and BLIND, here.

There's a difference between "judging" and "stating it like it is".

And, you OBVIOUSLY do NOT YET KNOW the DIFFERENCE.

If poor people engage in hedonistic promiscuity, then are condemned to the Ghettos. It takes a higher Morality, Ethics, Discipline, Strictness, to raise yourself, and your family, out of it. Chastity is one of those values.

AGAIN, you could NOT be MORE BLIND and STUPID, here.

[FlashDangerpants]

Are Catholic Churches that don't even confirm the bride's virginity...are they even real churches?!

Exactly how pure must these lady gardens be in order to secure your approval?

[accelafine]

I think there's a word for fathers who inspect their daughters' hymens...

[accelafine]

Are Catholic Churches that don't even confirm the bride's virginity...are they even real churches?!

Exactly how pure must these lady gardens be in order to secure your approval?

Unsurprising, from a sexless man who obviously knows nothing about women or their anatomy (and gets his 'knowledge' from porn)

[FlashDangerpants]

Are Catholic Churches that don't even confirm the bride's virginity...are they even real churches?!

Exactly how pure must these lady gardens be in order to secure your approval?

Unsurprising, from a sexless man who obviously knows nothing about women or their anatomy (and gets his 'knowledge' from porn)

Are you autistic, or are you secretly American? These are the only possible explanations for how somebody like you can use the word "ironic" every day.

[Wizard22]

AGAIN, you could NOT be MORE BLIND and STUPID, here.

AgeGPT, you need to turn down your Ad Hom settings, your counter-arguments are growing embarrassing for yourself.

I'll address your concerns if and when you can shore them up with some relevancy, paragraphs, and subtract the personal attacks.

[Wizard22]

Exactly how pure must these lady gardens be in order to secure your approval?

Obviously young ladies must be virgin and chaste, in order to marry in the Only-Real-And-True Church.

[Wizard22]

I think there's a word for fathers who inspect their daughters' hymens...

If you had a good father in your life, then you'd know that he knows whether you're promiscuous or not.

You're obviously the promiscuous, feminist, liberal type though, who hates the idea of your father looking out for you. Why is that, Veg?

Unsurprising, from a sexless man who obviously knows nothing about women or their anatomy (and gets his 'knowledge' from porn)

You got me...

I've never had sex.
I've never been married.
I've never had children.

Any other slanders tonight?? Keep throwing those darts Veg!