Is ChatGPT worth bothering with?

[attofishpi]

It is the same with humans most of the time where they gather information from various sources and present them as they are.

Yes, the AI does presentation of man's knowledge very often, in ways that we also can define, it's very good for that.

While AI do not present their 'opinions' and 'belief' AI do make rational inferences from a combination of various sources.

Whatever you are deeming as 'rational' is inherent of probability based on the AI sourcing information. AI does NOT think.

I believe it is stupid not to rely on AI as far as possible and top it off with our own intelligent thinking.

I know it is stupid for using AI for reasons that are beyond what are within its capabilities. U R clearly relying on IT in such a way.

Sure, use AI to collate information you need in a way that you can self reason with, and come to draw your own conclusions.

BUT, do not expect AI has any intelligence, that it can be given anything as a fresh input, such as a question pertaining to something that it has not built a repository data structure upon via man's knowledge, and expect it to provide a new, a fresh perspective.

FFS

btw. ChatGPT is assisting me very nicely with Unreal Engine 5 to create chapter one as VR movie (proof of concept)
..is it intelligent, no it's not - it just has sourced its info base on UE5 in a fantastic manner that I can MINE

If AI can beat the best chess grandmaster there is, isn't that some sort of high intelligence.
In addition, AI has beaten the best 'Go' [the most complex game] grandmaster as well.
In addition, AI has also contributed to win the Nobel Prize in Chemistry and Physics i.e. that is a recognition of some sort of personal entity and intelligence.

Sure, man has created a machine that exhibits INTELLIGENCE - all of which amounts to DATA crunching.

Point is you don't to have the ability to squeeze out whatever ounce of intelligence AI is capable of?

What is your definition of intelligence?
intelligent: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
Btw, intelligence in general, i.e. IQ is merely measuring logic and use of languages.
AI can do the above very well.

At some point you should exploit AI to generate choices based on knowledge it has for you to choose and you can even ask AI to give the best choice for your consideration.

I do use AI to provide choices. I did it last night with regards to something technical RE a decision I needed to make in my UE project configuration.

It presented the pros and cons of each, and I made my OWN decision based on the knowledge that GPT had of the UE engine system with regards to my question of IT.


The KEY point I am making is, you don't comprehend where the AI is useful and where it is not <--- thinking, and in particular about any subject matter that requires comprehension of what IT IS to be SENTIENT.

In fact, you are posting you interactions with AI - GPT as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING - no it doesn't, it is still SUBJECTIVE and based on man's knowledge per PROBABLILITY

[Veritas Aequitas]

The KEY point I am making is, you don't comprehend where the AI is useful and where it is not <--- thinking, and in particular about any subject matter that requires comprehension of what IT IS to be SENTIENT.

In fact, you are posting you interactions with AI - GPT as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING - no it doesn't, it is still SUBJECTIVE and based on man's knowledge per PROBABLILITY

I understand the limitations of AI.
Where did I claim what I posted as related to AI is as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING?

Generally I agree with what is presented by AI but if there is something you don't agree then present your counter to it.
That is what I did with presentations of AI by others, i.e. I provided a counter myself or from AI.

[attofishpi]

The KEY point I am making is, you don't comprehend where the AI is useful and where it is not <--- thinking, and in particular about any subject matter that requires comprehension of what IT IS to be SENTIENT.

In fact, you are posting you interactions with AI - GPT as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING - no it doesn't, it is still SUBJECTIVE and based on man's knowledge per PROBABLILITY

I understand the limitations of AI.
Where did I claim what I posted as related to AI is as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING?

You asked me to present my personal empirical accounts of my experiences of GOD to this machine, as if it has a reasonable method of reasoning about such matters. NO it doesn't, what it will do is provide what it has 'inferred' via its algorithms that are guided by what probable human(s) have stated about such accounts. IT DOES NO REASONING.

Generally I agree with what is presented by AI...

That's because you generally agree with human consensus.

..but if there is something you don't agree then present your counter to it.

I just did. I don't agree with the way you use it (because you do NOT understand the technology)

That is what I did with presentations of AI by others, i.e. I provided a counter myself or from AI.

Let's put it this way....AI = MAN'S most probable response. The fact that you are in agreement with THAT, does not assist you in anyway where philosophical enquiry is required.

None of us want to hear wot the machine thinks on this rather important subject matter - philosophy - we only want to hear what humans that have sentience have actually REASONED.

[Veritas Aequitas]

I understand the limitations of AI.
Where did I claim what I posted as related to AI is as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING?

You asked me to present my personal empirical accounts of my experiences of GOD to this machine, as if it has a reasonable method of reasoning about such matters. NO it doesn't, what it will do is provide what it has 'inferred' via its algorithms that are guided by what probable human(s) have stated about such accounts. IT DOES NO REASONING.

Nope, that is not my intention.

I asked you to present your first-person empirical account of your experience of God to AI to get its comments of the credibility and objectivity of such views.
Whatever AI comments they are likely to represent the views of a group of people rather than one person's first hand experiences.
AI will likely give you the strength and weaknesses of first-person's view in contrast to the shared views that are based on a collective-of-subjects.
In addition, you should ask AI to compare a first-person view compared to the various common arguments that support God exists as real by various groups of theists.

Now if you have any counter views against AI you should argue against it with your supporting evidences and argument.

From the above, you will gain a wider and deeper view to the issue regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

[attofishpi]

I understand the limitations of AI.
Where did I claim what I posted as related to AI is as if what it states supports ANYTHING & EVERTHING?

You asked me to present my personal empirical accounts of my experiences of GOD to this machine, as if it has a reasonable method of reasoning about such matters. NO it doesn't, what it will do is provide what it has 'inferred' via its algorithms that are guided by what probable human(s) have stated about such accounts. IT DOES NO REASONING.

Nope, that is not my intention.

I asked you to present your first-person empirical account of your experience of God to AI to get its comments of the credibility and objectivity of such views.

And as I, *being someone that comprehends* what AI "intelligence" is based upon, indeed the technology that results in outputs---> that ARE NOT credible nor objective AM insisting you stop with your STUPID reliance on IT, AI.

Now if you have any counter views against AI you should argue against it with your supporting evidences and argument.

The day you have a semblance of intelligence as to what AI is actually capable of, is indeed the day where your statement with a daft request (above) should be considered. Alas, no it's not worth considering, your reliance on what programmers have created to mimic what you perceive as intelligence is very, very, sad.

From the above, you will gain a wider and deeper view to the issue regardless of whether you agree with them or not.

Do I agree with the only thing AI is capable of? Consensus --> probable view of reality based on analysis of the consensus majority that humans agree with.

NO I FUCKING DON'T

[Veritas Aequitas]

And as I, *being someone that comprehends* what AI "intelligence" is based upon, indeed the technology that results in outputs---> that ARE NOT credible nor objective AM insisting you stop with your STUPID reliance on IT, AI.

The day you have a semblance of intelligence as to what AI is actually capable of, is indeed the day where your statement with a daft request (above) should be considered. Alas, no it's not worth considering, your reliance on what programmers have created to mimic what you perceive as intelligence is very, very, sad.

Do I agree with the only thing AI is capable of? Consensus --> probable view of reality based on analysis of the consensus majority that humans agree with.

NO I FUCKING DON'T

I am not an expert on the programming side, but,
I wonder do you fully understand the mechanisms and practicals of deep learning?

Have you seen the Google documentary re Deep Blue and Alpha Go?
AlphaGo - The Movie | Full award-winning documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXuK6gekU1Y

What Is AlphaFold? | NEJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q8Uw3rmXyE

How AI Cracked the Protein Folding Code and Won a Nobel Prize
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7l9ZGFZkw

Garry Kasparov and Deep Blue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W_qk1cN4Mw

[attofishpi]

DO you honestly think that I as a programmer interested in A.I. has ignored those TOPICS within the links you post -- AS IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE UNDERLYING TECH.

[attofishpi]

You appear to have no opinion on my responses to your questions of..Y?

- if God created the universe, how did he do it?

I am not certain GOD did. I do however have a degree of certainty that GOD created the reality we are able to consciously be aware of.
The Bible does not literally state that GOD created the Universe.

- how is it possible for one being to have three persons?

I don't think of the trinity as 'persons'. My belief is that GOD, the father of us all from whence we evolved (convoluted matter to form us). THE Son, Christ - GOD formed as a perfect human, in the form of Jesus the Christ and did what he did. I have no doubt that Christ is still alive somewhere upon this planet, most definitely is a friend of the sage.
The third entity of the trinity in my opinion, is the technology that is the backbone to our shared REAL IT Y (Holy Spirit) - that is to say, the Holy Spirit is actually the system that provides what we can perceive via the Standard Model of physics. The fields that give us perception of matter, perception of reality - generated by GOD switching system from below the Planck scale. (my belief)

- how can the death of someone, even a god, take away sin?

I say it all the time: Fuck sin. Sin is in. Sin is bollocks. What GOD did to me..the literal torture, the TESTS that this entity inflicted upon me (the life of Brian) within reason...it recently told me just a couple of months ago, while physically hurting me when I was in the middle of renovating my bathroom - burning my centre, the heart of me and testing how much pain I could endure...I told GOD to fuck off and bring it on and is that all you got you C*nt etc...it then stopped the test and stated that I am a rather 'favourite' Christian. Mmm woteva. But yeah, GOD can kiss my arse.
On that note over these past 27 years it certainly is not what Christians and those of other faiths think it is! It certainly does not insist on "worship", to the contrary, in my experience it has more respect for me when I tell it to fuck off and kiss my arse (as any MAN would!!)

So getting back to Jesus the Christ and reasoning. Think about this..

Y <-- the symbol GOD made upon the crucifix as a man. (is that just a coincidence..WHY? think about the ODDs of such a thang, here now in this WORLD language.)

Why would Christ go to such lengths, to suffer so much after telling us all to love and respect each other?

LOVE & TRUST.

[CIN]

You appear to have no opinion on my responses to your questions of..Y?

Let me think about it and get back to you. Been working on something else (see my new thread about the surgeon problem). Also Christmas is bloody chaos — promise myself every year that next year will be different, but it never is.

[CIN]

You appear to have no opinion on my responses to your questions of..Y?

- if God created the universe, how did he do it?

I am not certain GOD did. I do however have a degree of certainty that GOD created the reality we are able to consciously be aware of.
The Bible does not literally state that GOD created the Universe.

- how is it possible for one being to have three persons?

I don't think of the trinity as 'persons'. My belief is that GOD, the father of us all from whence we evolved (convoluted matter to form us). THE Son, Christ - GOD formed as a perfect human, in the form of Jesus the Christ and did what he did. I have no doubt that Christ is still alive somewhere upon this planet, most definitely is a friend of the sage.
The third entity of the trinity in my opinion, is the technology that is the backbone to our shared REAL IT Y (Holy Spirit) - that is to say, the Holy Spirit is actually the system that provides what we can perceive via the Standard Model of physics. The fields that give us perception of matter, perception of reality - generated by GOD switching system from below the Planck scale. (my belief)

- how can the death of someone, even a god, take away sin?

I say it all the time: Fuck sin. Sin is in. Sin is bollocks. What GOD did to me..the literal torture, the TESTS that this entity inflicted upon me (the life of Brian) within reason...it recently told me just a couple of months ago, while physically hurting me when I was in the middle of renovating my bathroom - burning my centre, the heart of me and testing how much pain I could endure...I told GOD to fuck off and bring it on and is that all you got you C*nt etc...it then stopped the test and stated that I am a rather 'favourite' Christian. Mmm woteva. But yeah, GOD can kiss my arse.
On that note over these past 27 years it certainly is not what Christians and those of other faiths think it is! It certainly does not insist on "worship", to the contrary, in my experience it has more respect for me when I tell it to fuck off and kiss my arse (as any MAN would!!)

So getting back to Jesus the Christ and reasoning. Think about this..

Y <-- the symbol GOD made upon the crucifix as a man. (is that just a coincidence..WHY? think about the ODDs of such a thang, here now in this WORLD language.)

Why would Christ go to such lengths, to suffer so much after telling us all to love and respect each other?

LOVE & TRUST.

I respect the fact that you've had the experiences you've had, but you've developed your answers based on those experiences, and because I've never had experiences like yours, your answers don't really work for me, though I accept that they work for you.

I'm leaving this forum. No-one here is doing philosophy the way I do it, and I'm not getting much out of being here. I have other things in my life that mean more to me, and I'm going to concentrate on them.

Good luck and peace out.

[attofishpi]

You appear to have no opinion on my responses to your questions of..Y?

- if God created the universe, how did he do it?

I am not certain GOD did. I do however have a degree of certainty that GOD created the reality we are able to consciously be aware of.
The Bible does not literally state that GOD created the Universe.

- how is it possible for one being to have three persons?

I don't think of the trinity as 'persons'. My belief is that GOD, the father of us all from whence we evolved (convoluted matter to form us). THE Son, Christ - GOD formed as a perfect human, in the form of Jesus the Christ and did what he did. I have no doubt that Christ is still alive somewhere upon this planet, most definitely is a friend of the sage.
The third entity of the trinity in my opinion, is the technology that is the backbone to our shared REAL IT Y (Holy Spirit) - that is to say, the Holy Spirit is actually the system that provides what we can perceive via the Standard Model of physics. The fields that give us perception of matter, perception of reality - generated by GOD switching system from below the Planck scale. (my belief)

- how can the death of someone, even a god, take away sin?

I say it all the time: Fuck sin. Sin is in. Sin is bollocks. What GOD did to me..the literal torture, the TESTS that this entity inflicted upon me (the life of Brian) within reason...it recently told me just a couple of months ago, while physically hurting me when I was in the middle of renovating my bathroom - burning my centre, the heart of me and testing how much pain I could endure...I told GOD to fuck off and bring it on and is that all you got you C*nt etc...it then stopped the test and stated that I am a rather 'favourite' Christian. Mmm woteva. But yeah, GOD can kiss my arse.
On that note over these past 27 years it certainly is not what Christians and those of other faiths think it is! It certainly does not insist on "worship", to the contrary, in my experience it has more respect for me when I tell it to fuck off and kiss my arse (as any MAN would!!)

So getting back to Jesus the Christ and reasoning. Think about this..

Y <-- the symbol GOD made upon the crucifix as a man. (is that just a coincidence..WHY? think about the ODDs of such a thang, here now in this WORLD language.)

Why would Christ go to such lengths, to suffer so much after telling us all to love and respect each other?

LOVE & TRUST.

I respect the fact that you've had the experiences you've had, but you've developed your answers based on those experiences, and because I've never had experiences like yours, your answers don't really work for me, though I accept that they work for you.

CIN, no they don't work for me as "answers" either...all they remain are my current best guess, based on my analysis. I have NO answers, just the most probable consideration of REAL IT Y based on those experiences.

I'm leaving this forum. No-one here is doing philosophy the way I do it, and I'm not getting much out of being here. I have other things in my life that mean more to me, and I'm going to concentrate on them.

To a certain extent, I understand that CIN.

The way I approach EVERYTHING of REALITY is, I analyse it ALL to the best of my ability. I don't merely accept NE thing - even the buy bull.

If you want to discuss such matters such as the matter of matter and reality on a private level, my email address is on my website.

This forum is full of too much bla bla bla bla...

Anyway CIN, woteva happens, thank you for our interaction here...if you do reach out to me, I assure you it will be in the total confidence and as I said earlier, what I type of my experiences since 1997 (which I have barely mentioned) is assisting me with collating what I want to upload to my website.

Best wishes
atto

[CIN]

You appear to have no opinion on my responses to your questions of..Y?



I am not certain GOD did. I do however have a degree of certainty that GOD created the reality we are able to consciously be aware of.
The Bible does not literally state that GOD created the Universe.



I don't think of the trinity as 'persons'. My belief is that GOD, the father of us all from whence we evolved (convoluted matter to form us). THE Son, Christ - GOD formed as a perfect human, in the form of Jesus the Christ and did what he did. I have no doubt that Christ is still alive somewhere upon this planet, most definitely is a friend of the sage.
The third entity of the trinity in my opinion, is the technology that is the backbone to our shared REAL IT Y (Holy Spirit) - that is to say, the Holy Spirit is actually the system that provides what we can perceive via the Standard Model of physics. The fields that give us perception of matter, perception of reality - generated by GOD switching system from below the Planck scale. (my belief)



I say it all the time: Fuck sin. Sin is in. Sin is bollocks. What GOD did to me..the literal torture, the TESTS that this entity inflicted upon me (the life of Brian) within reason...it recently told me just a couple of months ago, while physically hurting me when I was in the middle of renovating my bathroom - burning my centre, the heart of me and testing how much pain I could endure...I told GOD to fuck off and bring it on and is that all you got you C*nt etc...it then stopped the test and stated that I am a rather 'favourite' Christian. Mmm woteva. But yeah, GOD can kiss my arse.
On that note over these past 27 years it certainly is not what Christians and those of other faiths think it is! It certainly does not insist on "worship", to the contrary, in my experience it has more respect for me when I tell it to fuck off and kiss my arse (as any MAN would!!)

So getting back to Jesus the Christ and reasoning. Think about this..

Y <-- the symbol GOD made upon the crucifix as a man. (is that just a coincidence..WHY? think about the ODDs of such a thang, here now in this WORLD language.)

Why would Christ go to such lengths, to suffer so much after telling us all to love and respect each other?

LOVE & TRUST.

I respect the fact that you've had the experiences you've had, but you've developed your answers based on those experiences, and because I've never had experiences like yours, your answers don't really work for me, though I accept that they work for you.

CIN, no they don't work for me as "answers" either...all they remain are my current best guess, based on my analysis. I have NO answers, just the most probable consideration of REAL IT Y based on those experiences.

I'm leaving this forum. No-one here is doing philosophy the way I do it, and I'm not getting much out of being here. I have other things in my life that mean more to me, and I'm going to concentrate on them.

To a certain extent, I understand that CIN.

The way I approach EVERYTHING of REALITY is, I analyse it ALL to the best of my ability. I don't merely accept NE thing - even the buy bull.

If you want to discuss such matters such as the matter of matter and reality on a private level, my email address is on my website.

This forum is full of too much bla bla bla bla...

Anyway CIN, woteva happens, thank you for our interaction here...if you do reach out to me, I assure you it will be in the total confidence and as I said earlier, what I type of my experiences since 1997 (which I have barely mentioned) is assisting me with collating what I want to upload to my website.

Best wishes
atto

That's cool. Have a good life.