How is this book permitted in the UK?

[Age]

DUH! - PRECISELY MY POINT!!

- that the Koran is interpreted via its words! Those WORDS incite its followers, Muslims to commit acts of VIOLENCE.

LOL ONCE AGAIN you have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED 'the POINT'.

Clearly it would be pointless of me to explain the irony.

If only you KNEW "attofishpi", if only you KNEW.

What you are claiming EVERY one, here, ALREADY UNDERSTANDS.

But note how this one does NOT havea CLUE as to what I have been talking about, here, and has NEVER JUST ONCE sought out absolutely ANY CLARIFICATION, from me.

[Age]

Yep, she stuffed Europe right up.

I never liked Trump until the past couple of years. Still have some reservations but when I listened to Tulsi Gabbard a few weeks ago talk about her interactions with him I honestly think he is a rather down to Earth decent bloke.

The "left" are so extremely 'left' and the reporting and TV in general supporting their ideology, WOKE crap etc..(thank ? for internet),ya I started to wise up to it in recent couple of years. There is so much not being reported because of "race" crap and people are brainwashed into thinking ooh refugees/asylum seekers - not illegal immigrants that have no right to live in European countries.

Recently reported UK tax payers forked out around 5 billion pounds from 22/23 or 23/24 can't remember which fin period (but it increased by 1 billion pounds in the last year)

All the crap about Human Rights prevents UK from deporting rapists and murderers because oooh they may get harmed in their country of origin - well boo hoo..that's what Keir Starmer has spent his legal career doing, protecting those scum that don't deserve 'human rights'.

There is nothing in this here that aligns with God, nor "jesus". What you are showing here "attofishpi" is your ABSOLUTE HATRED for SOME human beings.

Yes, I suppose I am not a perfect Christian when I admit that I hate paedophiles and murdering rapists etc..

GREAT. FINALLY 'we' are getting somewhere, here. Now that you have Honestly ADMIT that you have been doing the very THING/S that goes AGAINST SAGE - Spirit, Allah, God, and Enlightenment -, then you could START to CHANGE 'your ways', and STOP doing the very THING/S that are COMPLETELY Wrong, in Life, as ATTESTED and INSTRUCTED BY "jesus", itself.

But, from your very limited, narrow, and CLOSED perspective you do NOT want to CHANGE for the BETTER, and will keep 'trying to' 'justify' your words and misbehaviors, here, right?

[attofishpi]

Are you kidding me?

You don't understand ANYTHING. I feel sorry for you, how you get by in general life is beyond me - pleeeaaase put me on ignore.

This guy actually expects me not to hate someone that rapes and kills a little child..very odd person u r Age.

[godelian]

Oui, this thread is about the Quran..

Certainly UK hate laws and promotion of violent act under UK LAWS would have it banned..no



“Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193).

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties; in exchange for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they slay and are slain” (Quran 9:111).

“Truly Allah loves those who fight in His cause in battle array…” (Quran 61:4)

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no God but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

"They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." (Quran 4:89)

The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari 52:260)

Imagine that you included the entire Quran in your post. In that case, you would be asking to ban your own post. By asking a ban of your own post, your behavior is clearly contradictory.

In this case, you only included the items that you consider objectionable. You thereby turn your own post into something that according to your own views is objectionable. It still amounts to the same problem as including the entire Quran, because you are in fact still requesting a ban of your own post.

This is just one problem with your views. There are many more. Views that are logically inconsistent inevitably lead to more problems than they solve.

This is also one of the main differences between what you post and the Quran itself. The Quran itself is not logically inconsistent. It easily withstands this kind of scrutiny, while what you write, simply does not.

[attofishpi]

Imagine that you included the entire Quran in your post. In that case, you would be asking to ban your own post. By asking a ban of your own post, your behavior is clearly contradictory.

I have provided some text from the evil ideology and I am disagreeing TOTALLY with its contents as having anything aligned to DIVINE instruction.

Unlike MorHamMad that had it written as if a DIVINE being requires worship, submission, and wants its creation, humans, to kill each other to spread such an evil ideology - pure LUNACY.

This is also one of the main differences between what you post and the Quran itself. The Quran itself is not logically inconsistent. It easily withstands this kind of scrutiny, while what you write, simply does not.

To the contrary, Quran is logically flawed in many ways.

Appx 666 years after Christ, it is obvious that Mor_Ham_Mad (another that insists don't eat PIG) stole ideas from Judaism & Christianity to insist he had the final say on the Abrahamic based religions.

Islam Islame, Mor Ham Mad TOTALLY contradicts the teachings of Christ. The Quran is a text of obvious deceit and lies that fails on the most basic scrutiny - its claim to represent the DIVINE instructions of GOD, as stemming from Abrahamic religion, since it contradicts the very basis it claims to represent.

[godelian]

I have provided some text from the evil ideology and I am disagreeing TOTALLY with its contents as having anything aligned to DIVINE instruction.

By posting its content, you are possibly promoting it. You don't know beforehand how the reader will interpret your post. That is why there is a general consensus that you should not repeat or link to content that you dislike.

To the contrary, Quran is logically flawed in many ways.

Appx 666 years after Christ, it is obvious that Mor_Ham_Mad (another that insists don't eat PIG) stole ideas from Judaism & Christianity to insist he had the final say on the Abrahamic based religions.

Islam Islame, Mor Ham Mad TOTALLY contradicts the teachings of Christ. The Quran is a text of obvious deceit and lies that fails on the most basic scrutiny - its claim to represent the DIVINE instructions of GOD, as stemming from Abrahamic religion, since it contradicts the very basis it claims to represent.

Look carefully at what the term "contradiction" mean. If it is possible to conclude a proposition and its very opposite from the statement at hand, then the statement is contradictory.

"Stealing ideas" is not contradictory. On what grounds would it be?

Concerning the teachings of Christ, the Quran does not refer to the Christian gospels and does not recognize them as legitimate. That would be a minimum requirement to claim that the Quran contradicts them.

The Quran only relies on what it mentions by itself about the teachings of Christ. What Quranic verse about the teachings of Christ contradicts what other Quranic verse?

If you want contradictions about the teachings of Christ, then you do not need to look any further than standard Christian doctrine:

Jesus is the son of God.
Jesus is God himself.
So, Jesus is the son of himself.

Jesus is mentioned praying to God.
So, Jesus was praying to himself.


If you are hunting for contradictions, then you will find truckloads of them in the Christian doctrine. You won't find that kind of aberrations in Islamic doctrine.

Christianity is simply not closed under logical consequence, while Islam certainly is.

This problem was famously raised by Martin Luther during his trial in front of the emperor in 1521, in Worms, Germany:

Luther: If you can show me through scripture and reason that I would be wrong, then I will retract what I have written.

Prosecutor: The Bible itself is the arsenal whence each heresiarch from the past has drawn its deceptive arguments.

It is obvious who was right and who was wrong in this court case.

Since Christian doctrine is not closed under logic, the prosecutor of the Church was entirely right to point out that propositions obtained through scripture and reason are generally illegitimate in Christianity.

Luther was clearly wrong because he based his argument on his failed attempt to close Christian doctrine under logic.

This court case also definitely seals the inferiority of Christian doctrine and the superiority of the Jewish and Islamic doctrines, which are effectively closed under logic.

A doctrine that is not closed under logic is always inferior to any other doctrine that is.

Christianity is also inferior to Buddhism. In fact, Christianity is inferior to every other religion. The fact that Christianity is not closed under logic, makes it inferior to everything else. It is simply not a serious religion. It requires the believer to abandon logic. Seriously, how can that be acceptable?

[attofishpi]

Look carefully at what the term "contradiction" mean. If it is possible to conclude a proposition and its very opposite from the statement at hand, then the statement is contradictory.

"Stealing ideas" is not contradictory. On what grounds would it be?

No it's not, it's what then unfold where the contradictions begin.

Concerning the teachings of Christ, the Quran does not refer to the Christian gospels and does not recognize them as legitimate. That would be a minimum requirement to claim that the Quran contradicts them.

666 years later, the Quran attempts to claim Christ as a "prophet" (a sick attempt for legitimacy) yet throws everything taught by Christ into contradiction of Islamic bullshit.

The Quran only relies on what it mentions by itself about the teachings of Christ. What Quranic verse about the teachings of Christ contradicts what other Quranic verse?

Who fucking cares? ISLAM = ISLAME it's bullshit. Everything taught insisting GOD wants KILLING of others that don't believe in Mor Ham Mad is contradiction to the what Christ taught AND died for. LOVE & TRUST.

If you want contradictions about the teachings of Christ, then you do not need to look any further than standard Christian doctrine:

Jesus is the son of God.
Jesus is God himself.
So, Jesus is the son of himself.

Jesus is mentioned praying to God.
So, Jesus was praying to himself.


If you are hunting for contradictions, then you will find truckloads of them in the Christian doctrine. You won't find that kind of aberrations in Islamic doctrine.

You are stupider than the sheep of "Christianity" of which I partake no place.

It was one thing for Christ to walk around stating "I am the son of GOD" and quite another to admit at the time, "I am GOD".

Comprehend the reasoning..

Christianity is also inferior to Buddhism. In fact, Christianity is inferior to every other religion. The fact that Christianity is not closed under logic, makes it inferior to everything else. It is simply not a serious religion. It requires the believer to abandon logic. Seriously, how can that be acceptable?

What LOG_I_C? ..is failing?

Bible = BUY_BULL --> "Let there be light..and there was light" <--- the entire creation story from YOUR Abrahamic foundation is BULL shit.


I know GOD personally, what the fuck do U actually know about this intelligence via your Muzzlem Dog religion

[godelian]

666 years later, the Quran attempts to claim Christ as a "prophet" (a sick attempt for legitimacy) yet throws everything taught by Christ into contradiction of Islamic bullshit.

I have pointed out actual contradictions in Christian doctrine. Up till now, you have failed to point out contradictions in Islamic doctrine.

The Quran only relies on what it mentions by itself about the teachings of Christ. What Quranic verse about the teachings of Christ contradicts what other Quranic verse?

Who fucking cares? ISLAM = ISLAME it's bullshit.

You clearly reject logic. You fail to substantiate your position. That is indeed the hallmark of Christian doctrine.

It was one thing for Christ to walk around stating "I am the son of GOD" and quite another to admit at the time, "I am GOD".

Christ never literally said this, not even in the Christian gospels. It is the subsequent Christian doctrine that invents that kind of things. Even during his trial, in which he was accused of the blasphemy of claiming that he would be the son of God, Christ never literally said that he would be the son of God. He just made joke about it instead.

What LOG_I_C? ..is failing?
Bible = BUY_BULL --> "Let there be light..and there was light" <--- the entire creation story from YOUR Abrahamic foundation is BULL shit.

The Books of Moses are not contradictory.

You seem to believe that a proposition in which you do not believe, would be contradictory. Such proposition is not necessarily contradictory. You need to be able to derive the proposition and its very opposite from the doctrine, for the doctrine to be contradictory. Where is the contradiction in "Let there be light..and there was light"? There isn't one.

You somehow believe that your own opinion would be the truth. At the same time, you are incapable of justifying it.

Your arguments are unsubstantiated.

[attofishpi]

666 years later, the Quran attempts to claim Christ as a "prophet" (a sick attempt for legitimacy) yet throws everything taught by Christ into contradiction of Islamic bullshit.

I have pointed out actual contradictions in Christian doctrine. Up till now, you have failed to point out contradictions in Islamic doctrine.

Really? I've only pointed out the biggest contradiction of the entire ISLAMIC ideology - that it is based upon contradicting Christ.

It was one thing for Christ to walk around stating "I am the son of GOD" and quite another to admit at the time, "I am GOD".

Christ never literally said this, not even in the Christian gospels. It is the subsequent Christian doctrine that invents that kind of things. Even during his trial, in which he was accused of the blasphemy of claiming that he would be the son of God, Christ never literally said that he would be the son of God. He just made joke about it instead.

Oh well then, let's hear Christ's joke..

What LOG_I_C? ..is failing?
Bible = BUY_BULL --> "Let there be light..and there was light" <--- the entire creation story from YOUR Abrahamic foundation is BULL shit.

The Books of Moses are not contradictory.

..only to Islam. (the commandments)

]You seem to believe that a proposition in which you do not believe, would be contradictory. Such proposition is not necessarily contradictory. You need to be able to derive the proposition and its very opposite from the doctrine, for the doctrine to be contradictory. Where is the contradiction in "Let there be light..and there was light"? There isn't one.

I did not state that that was part of the contradiction, I stated it as BULL SHIT.

Did the universe & Sun exist by the words of a man, even GOD as a man?

You somehow believe that your own opinion would be the truth. At the same time, you are incapable of justifying it.

Well, of course my opinion is the TRUTH, which one of us knows GOD personally (me )

[godelian]

Really? I've only pointed out the biggest contradiction of the entire ISLAMIC ideology - that it is based upon contradicting Christ.

If that is true, then point out the contradiction. You can only use the Quran, though.

Oh well then, let's hear Christ's joke..

So they all asked, “Are You then the Son of God?” He replied, “You say that I am.”
But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven -> in my opinion, this was meant as a joke.

I did not state that that was part of the contradiction, I stated it as BULL SHIT.

So, you believe it is false. On what grounds?

[attofishpi]

Really? I've only pointed out the biggest contradiction of the entire ISLAMIC ideology - that it is based upon contradicting Christ.

If that is true, then point out the contradiction. You can only use the Quran, though.

Truly, U make it so simple..

Mor Ham Mad (the profit) said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari 52:260)

That (among many other commands) are totally in contradiction to Christ's teachings.

Oh well then, let's hear Christ's joke..

So they all asked, “Are You then the Son of God?” He replied, “You say that I am.”
But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven -> in my opinion, this was meant as a joke.

...wtf?

I did not state that that was part of the contradiction, I stated it as BULL SHIT.

So, you believe it is false. On what grounds?

On what grounds do I believe that the Sun & the universe did NOT require a MAN to speak it all into existence?

R U FUCKING SERIOUS?

Perhaps you could explain other_wise

[godelian]

That (among many other commands) are totally in contradiction to Christ's teachings.

According to what documentation?

Your take on "Christ's teachings" seems to be largely undocumented.

[attofishpi]

..do U honestly think that my position on this planet is to p_reach U?

..i don't care about U