Pagan morality

[accelafine]

No they're just old. They've got nothing left in em. Married, divorced, round of kids a few of em, some retired. Old folks don't go lookin for love on internet philosophy forums on account of that I don't reckon.

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And we don't wank off to forum pics either. This isn't 1985 sneak into your dad's room and look at his playboys days anymore. Soft core is as useless as watching the weather forecast when you're trying to get one off. These forums pictures are in no danger. Tell her, boys. Fishpie, you're not one of those guys who gets a hard-on when he's flipping through a Belk's catalog, are you? I don't know how those guys do it. I'd have to really work on getting a boner looking at a girl in a pair of slacks and a blouse.

Yeah, I imagine you are probably right into the illegal, 'dark web' depravity.

[accelafine]

Not at all. You two stand out as the forum sleazebags. Prom is the worst by far of course. The other 'men' on here seem fairly decent and 'moral' for the most part. Perhaps they are all gay (or women)

Jesus, just because I talk to prom in a fairly social manner you now call me a sleazebag. I have never ever been called that before.

It's akin to idiots calling me racist. C'mon then, what have I stated that renders me a sleazebag?

Posting a photo of your naked mother having sex for one,,,

[attofishpi]

Not at all. You two stand out as the forum sleazebags. Prom is the worst by far of course. The other 'men' on here seem fairly decent and 'moral' for the most part. Perhaps they are all gay (or women)

Jesus, just because I talk to prom in a fairly social manner you now call me a sleazebag. I have never ever been called that before.

It's akin to idiots calling me racist. C'mon then, what have I stated that renders me a sleazebag?

Posting a photo of your naked mother having sex for one,,,

WTF? Are you on drugs or have been drinking all night?

[promethean75]

Nope. I like regular ol' intercourse with consentual attending sexual organs. No dildos, costumes, slapping, or spitting. No midgets, no animals, no machines or harnesses. No twosomes or trains or any of that crap. Only one dick out at a time in a room (as an ILP OG once put it).

Nope, just the standard stuff. Missionary with the legs up. Doggystyle with that sexy arch in her lower back (butt dimples too if you're lucky), forward and reverse cowgirl is a new favorite if she can pull it off. That shit looks like work, man... having to go up and down like that while squatting. I'm not talking about riding. These chicks are on their feet. It looks terribly taxing.

Never liked anal porn. I'll watch a good blow job once in a while if she's really hot.

[accelafine]

Jesus, just because I talk to prom in a fairly social manner you now call me a sleazebag. I have never ever been called that before.

It's akin to idiots calling me racist. C'mon then, what have I stated that renders me a sleazebag?

Posting a photo of your naked mother having sex for one,,,

WTF? Are you on drugs or have been drinking all night?

I did notice you 'edited' the post, changing the photo to one of a woman with her hand in her mouth

[attofishpi]

Posting a photo of your naked mother having sex for one,,,

WTF? Are you on drugs or have been drinking all night?

I did notice you 'edited' the post, changing the photo to one of a woman with her hand in her mouth

Oh! You thought the screenshot I took from a utube music video of a big fat woman with huge tits was my Mum. No, my Mum was very skinny and became far too skinny by the time she eventually died from Parkinsons at around 2am on 22/2/22

[accelafine]

WTF? Are you on drugs or have been drinking all night?

I did notice you 'edited' the post, changing the photo to one of a woman with her hand in her mouth

Oh! You thought the screenshot I took from a utube music video of a big fat woman with huge tits was my Mum. No, my Mum was very skinny and became far too skinny by the time she eventually died from Parkinsons at around 2am on 22/2/22

Well it's someone's mother. And if you are trying to make me feel bad it's not working. If you insist on posting photos like that then you deserve all you get.

[attofishpi]

I did notice you 'edited' the post, changing the photo to one of a woman with her hand in her mouth

Oh! You thought the screenshot I took from a utube music video of a big fat woman with huge tits was my Mum. No, my Mum was very skinny and became far too skinny by the time she eventually died from Parkinsons at around 2am on 22/2/22

Well it's someone's mother. And if you are trying to make me feel bad it's not working. If you insist on posting photos like that then you deserve all you get.

Duh! It was a music video and the ol' slag clearly wanted to do it. What's wrong? ..clearly she reminds you of YOU!

[accelafine]

Oh! You thought the screenshot I took from a utube music video of a big fat woman with huge tits was my Mum. No, my Mum was very skinny and became far too skinny by the time she eventually died from Parkinsons at around 2am on 22/2/22

Well it's someone's mother. And if you are trying to make me feel bad it's not working. If you insist on posting photos like that then you deserve all you get.

Duh! It was a music video and the ol' slag clearly wanted to do it. What's wrong? ..clearly she reminds you of YOU!

Looked like a typical fat pommy woman to me so I assumed it was your mother

[attofishpi]

if you are trying to make me feel bad it's not working.

Clearly you always feel bad...to make you feel worse than bad, not sure if that's possible.

[iambiguous]

What is the foundation of Pagan ethics?
by Yvonne Aburrow at Patheos

Pagans don’t have a holy book with commandments from a deity. We tend to derive our ethics from reasoning about the world around us. We cultivate virtues rather than following commandments.

Clearly, there is a world of difference between having or not having a Scripture to fall back on. And, if there isn't one, then you can pretty much describe your own spiritual path in anyway that...suits you best?

On the other hand, there are many different renditions of Paganism "out there" from which to choose:

Pagan denominations from sources across the web:

"Asatru, Wicca, Druidry Eclectic Paganism, Germanic Paganism, Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism, Kemetism, Polytheism, Animism, Covenant of the Goddess, Greek, Heathenism, Heathenry (new religious movement). Odinism, Stregheria

So, in regard to "cultivating ethics", what on Earth does that actually mean [for all practical purposes] to each of them given particular sets of circumstaces?

But we also have a specifically and recognisably Pagan response to the world.

Again, however, given what particular contexts?

AI's take on it:

"Paganism is a diverse collection of nature-based spiritual practices that often involve worshipping multiple gods and goddesses, viewing the divine as present in the natural world, and celebrating seasonal cycles through rituals and ceremonies, with a strong emphasis on reverence for the Earth and its life cycles; essentially, it's a belief system that honors the sacredness of nature and the interconnectedness of all living things."

And, if the Divine really is present in the natural world, then I'm back to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_earthquakes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... _eruptions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... l_cyclones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tsunamis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landslides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deadliest_floods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... ore_deaths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_diseases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events

It would appear then [at least to me] that nature is no less a sadistic monster than all the other Divine entities that are said to exist "out there" or "up there".

[Iwannaplato]

Well, the only real problem would be linking yourself to your Facebook at a philosophy forum. One asks why... what's more dangerous about giving personal info on a forum than on Facebook. Facebook is populated by relatively normal people. A philosophy forum, on the other hand, will have a higher number of nuts on account of the nature of the forum and philosophy in general. Now add to this the scarcity of attractive females at that forum; the ones that are attractive now stick out. If Veg, Veg, and Veg weren't so ugly, the forum hotties wouldn't cause such a stir in the male members. It's all simple anthropology, mates.

It's great you can admit that you are stirred. Poor Iamb cannot manage to admit this.

Actually, what stirs -- fascinates, intrigues

I don't feel any attachment to what your motives are.

Whatever that means? Because I don't have a clue myself regarding what this has to do with my posts on this thread.

And the irony is the only reason our exchange is now unfolding is because out of the blue you revivied this thread yourself. Why? Are there things about Maia that stir you?

Even here, however, I have my own suspicions regarding why you did that.

Well, if you're studying me, I've been inactive for a while. Came back and went through my notifications including that one from Prom. But suspect conveniently away.

And what you explain as your interest, what draws you to the interaction, may well be it.

No, it is it. On the other hand, don't give up on me, okay? Maybe someday I will finally begin to grasp that you actually do know me better here than I know myself.

My response to Prom accepted his assumption about all the boys reacting Maia, including your responses. He attributed a motivation. I accepted that. But pointed out that you weren't admitting it. Context, context. Here in this post to you, I point out that I didn't care what your motivation was, I was prodding at the quasi alliance you guys have.

My comment to prometheus and much earlier in the thread about him to you, is actually to point out that the quasi alliance you have with each other at times doesn't really fit your positions. So, I probe that.

To the best of my knowledge, I don't have a quasi-alliance with anyone here. Well, whatever that actually means, of course. And I am only interested in exploring with Maia the things we have discussed above and elsewhere. All the rest is your own agenda, not mine.

When I pointed out that Prometheus was focusing on the person not the subject, and sexually, in fact, you defended and complimented him, even though you dislike when people make you the issue rather than the topic of your posts. IOW it was hypocritical. Prom has on occasion backed you up when you have faced criticism. I have no back room conspiracy fantasies, but for some reason you are hypocritical, both of you, when it comes to the other. So, I call it a quasi-alliance.

You have issues with people making an issue of you, rather than the issues you raise. But when P makes and issue of Maia and in pretty sexist ways, if potentially in part tongue in cheek, this doesn't bother you.

That's him, not me. So take it up with him, okay?

I have. But the point was to point out your hypocrisy. And you did not respond this way when I first pointed it out. You defended him.

And while focusing on Maia instead of the topic you chastize me for focusing on you instead of the topic. And you can't see this even when it is pointed out. You may well know yourself better than I know you, certainly in general, you do. I can only see the contradictions and hypocrisy which you can't manage to admit. What motivates the contradictions and hypocrisy, your motivations, sure, you may well know more about yourself there. That doesn't make the bs go away.

You're certainly right. I focus on the way people interaction more than many other posters. I notice when your responses don't actually respond to arguments made or when you quote someone, us, some article writer, and then strawman them. That's part of philosophy, that last one, even in a conservative sense. It seems not to matter to you that you do these things. Fine, but I point them out and not just with you. You spent a post or two more or less saying in my response to criticism of your gossipy posts about Maia where you focused on her and not the issues in the thread that accelefine was bad and did bad things. Peachy, but that has little to do with whether you do those things I pointed out. If I point out that you make people the issue, even though you dislike this yourself, it doesn't matter to you and certainly can't admit it. Fine. I can't do anything about that. But what we do here is part of what is meat for philosophy as you yourself said when the topic was accelefine. When it comes to you, it's taboo. If I have learned anything neither you or posters like you like Veritas will ever admit anything like this. Known, understood. It really did take a long time to learn this and I appreciate having had this change in the safe realm of a philosophy online forum. You're not my boss or a neighbor who might get violent or....someone who might either have a long term real life and damaging dynamic with me, with possible real world consequences. So, yup, I can see how some people, whether this is a determined universe or not, will never reevaluate themselves, even when the same patterns are pointed out by a wide range of people and in your case going back decades in forums like this. This is a valuable lesson for me.

From there, once that sank in and I no longer felt any disappointment or even surprise when I got your responses, it's still interesting to watch how you avoid things. There are tiny lessons in that.

[Walker]

Maybe you could use her as a source of quotes in your Farcical Project.

That way, folks will know what she actually said, rather than being treated to whatever is rattling around in your noggin.

[iambiguous]

Interesting and sophisticated
Refusing to be celebrated
It's a monumental big screen kiss
It's so deep, it's meaningless

The tragically hip encompassing any number of posts here, let's say.

Oh, I almost forgot:

[iambiguous]

And the irony is the only reason our exchange is now unfolding is because out of the blue you revived this thread yourself. Why? Are there things about Maia that stir you?

Even here, however, I have my own suspicions regarding why you did that.

Well, if you're studying me, I've been inactive for a while. Came back and went through my notifications including that one from Prom. But suspect conveniently away.

Me studying you? No, it seems more reasonable to suggest instead it's you studying me. After all, I don't follow you around from thread to thread to thread in order to expose to the world what/who you, uh, really are? And how little you -- meaning me -- seem to grasp regarding "serious philosophy"? That's your thing with me here, in my view. In fact, I read very, very little of what you post here unless it does pertain to me, to something I posted. Why? It's not because I don't respect your intelligence and your commitment to philosophy as you understand it. It's because by and large, in my own rooted existentially in dasein personal opinion, you are much, much, much more inclined to go up into the clouds here with those like VA.

And, in regard to meaning, morality and metaphysics, my own interest here is always in exploring how those theoretical exchanges bear any resemblance -- relevance -- to actual human interactions. In particular at the existential juncture of identity, value judgments, conflicitng goods and political economy. Given particular sets of circumstances.

And what you explain as your interest, what draws you to the interaction, may well be it.

No, it is it. On the other hand, don't give up on me, okay? Maybe someday I will finally begin to grasp that you actually do know me better here than I know myself.

My response to Prom accepted his assumption about all the boys reacting Maia, including your responses. He attributed a motivation. I accepted that. But pointed out that you weren't admitting it.

Admitting to what? Yeah, sure, if I wasn't old enough to be her father, and if I wasn't confined to this recliner, I would have no problem at all in contacting her and perhaps even pursuing a relationship. She's very intelligent, very articulate, very quick-witted, very keen on exploring the world around her without any intention of rejecting others who don't think exactly as she does. And, yeah, she's very attractive. The "looks" part.

So, given reality as it actually is for me now with Maia, I'm back to this:

Actually, what stirs -- fascinates, intrigues -- me most about Maia is the fact that this is the first time I have ever exchanged posts with someone who is not only blind but was born blind. How on Earth does someone who comes into the world born blind come to understand the world around her...a world she has never seen? How might that [existentially] give her a frame of mind I can only perhaps come closer to understanding.

Then the part where she seems to accept my argument regarding dasein in the is/ought world but is in possession of an Intrinsic Self that enables her to transcend my own fractured and fragmented assessment of conflicting goods.

Finally, the part where she is committed to Paganism and then makes a 7-year commitment to celibacy. And she brought this up in our exchange, not me. Now, admittedly, I don't know all that can possibly be known about Pagans. But I have always connected the dots here between them [and Wiccans] and Dionysus, myself.

Context, context. Here in this post to you, I point out that I didn't care what your motivation was, I was prodding at the quasi alliance you guys have.

Right. My quasi-alliance with Prom. That it doesn't actually exist is, what, moot?

And the thing about Prom75, is that you never really know for sure when he either is or is not just employing a tongue-in-cheek assessment in order to cleverly expose all the more the meatminds here.

My comment to prometheus and much earlier in the thread about him to you, is actually to point out that the quasi alliance you have with each other at times doesn't really fit your positions. So, I probe that.

To the best of my knowledge, I don't have a quasi-alliance with anyone here. Well, whatever that actually means, of course. And I am only interested in exploring with Maia the things we have discussed above and elsewhere. All the rest is your own agenda, not mine.

When I pointed out that Prometheus was focusing on the person not the subject, and sexually, in fact, you defended and complimented him, even though you dislike when people make you the issue rather than the topic of your posts. IOW it was hypocritical.

Link me to that please.

Prom has on occasion backed you up when you have faced criticism. I have no back room conspiracy fantasies, but for some reason you are hypocritical, both of you, when it comes to the other. So, I call it a quasi-alliance.

Call it whatever you wish. And, sure, go ahead, actually believe that's what it is. We can just chalk it up to yet one more "failure to communicate"

You have issues with people making an issue of you, rather than the issues you raise. But when P makes and issue of Maia and in pretty sexist ways, if potentially in part tongue in cheek, this doesn't bother you.

You don't know what bothers me. In fact, "I" am no less fractured and fragmented myself in regard to that. And, as i noted above, with Prom, you never really know for sure the extent to which he is just bantering or being facetious, comedic, clever.

Or, rather, from time to time, I don't.

And so much more to the point is the distinction I make between those things we believe about others and those things we can actually demonstrate that all other rational men and women are obligated to believe in turn. Also, the part where philosophers may or may not be able to pin down how we ought to react to others.

You bump into someone who was born blind. Okay, what either is or is not appropriate to say to them? Or about them to others? Hell, even Maia herself points out how frustrating this can be for her. Sighted people on pins and needles.

That's him, not me. So take it up with him, okay?

I have. But the point was to point out your hypocrisy. And you did not respond this way when I first pointed it out. You defended him.

Again, a link please.