The Democrat Party Hates America

[Gary Childress]

Looks like we have a climate crisis denier in the White House now. I guess that's one way to fight climate change.

https://thebulletin.org/2024/11/america ... st-heading

I'm thinking that in an ironic twist of fate, Vice President Kamala Harris should take a page from Trump's playbook and refuse to certify the election. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
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Nah. The American people have spoken. Jesus wants it this way.

[Walker]

Trash talk of losers.

Must be bi-impotent gender identification.

[Gary Childress]

Trash talk of losers.

Must be bi-impotent gender identification.

We tried to warn you guys. You didn't listen. You break it you own it.

[Atla]

Some of us aren't even Americans, Walker is confused.

Oh I know, now Trump will really drain the swamp and wreck the establishment by supporting Israel more than Biden did. Go Trump!

[Alexis Jacobi]

The American people have spoken. Jesus wants it this way.

[Alexis Jacobi]

There is a great deal to be said about the resurgence of a religious — a personalist — orientation in the American demographic. The idea that “America has lost is way” and even the belief in American manifest destiny resulting from God’s grace (which therefore can be withdrawn) is part of the American equation.

The zealots also say that God saved Trump from that bullet. But remember that Hitler avoided an assassination attempt and who “saved” him from that? It is conceivable that God spared Trump so that he could do great evil and through that evil punish the erring and indeed ‘sinful’ nation. It wouldn’t even have to be Trump’s will that trouble or evil result.

In my view, one’s spiritual life is an internal and extremely nuanced affair. What I understand to be “God’s will” is never a predictable affair. It operates through an incomprehensible logic. But if anything this “God” stimulates and, say, demands self-conscious awareness and will not “cover for me”.

Not sure if I am making sense. If there is a Divinity that presides over the Earth and nations, that divinity could be and likely is unconcerned about our meager human endeavors typically defined as “success”. And indeed in personal spirituality the benefits are greater when the road is more difficult.

Today, elated by Trump’s victory, people genuinely believe that a new phase will begin. That a turnaround is verging.

But in reality this could well be a false assumption.

If a presiding God exists it is impossible to say what “it” may bring about. More chaos, more dissension and more conflict are more likely to be in the works given the way things have been going. Theologically stated, God does not “bring about evil” but rather employs historical actor who do various things through their own wills.

This is not a prediction and is just musing.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Check out this one …

[FlashDangerpants]

This term could be (even) much wilder than the first one, because of revenge. When a half-insane president loses the next election and has a few years to go fully bananas because of the defeat, and is then re-elected, unbelievable things can happen in my experience.

I wonder if we'll see nukes this time.

When they lose, the Democrats always say ... Awww, now's the time for bipartisanship*. Can't we all just get along and get things done?

When they win it's time to do all the mean and nasty things they fear.

You have to admit, Trump is fearless and tenacious as a badger. Lesser men would have faded away long ago. They guy thrives on adversity and to Americans, that's admirable.

Revenge against the Lawfarers would be sweet to see ... and best served cold. Has Jack Smith skipped town yet?


* That could be the next gender because of the bi.

Grow up. Trump isn't a man, he's an NPD.

If true, wouldn't that would be a recipe for quite a dysfunctional white house where a vengeful and tantrum prone god king encourages his many underlings to vie for his affections by constantly one-upping each other rather than actually focusing on getting things done or caring about whether anything is done well?

[Gary Childress]

If a presiding God exists it is impossible to say what “it” may bring about. More chaos, more dissension and more conflict are more likely to be in the works given the way things have been going. Theologically stated, God does not “bring about evil” but rather employs historical actor who do various things through their own wills.

This is not a prediction and is just musing.

Is that a convoluted way of saying that if Trump's reign is a disaster then it's God's fault?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Theologically, Gary, you must understand that God is blameless.

Theologically of course.

[seeds]

If a presiding God exists it is impossible to say what “it” may bring about. More chaos, more dissension and more conflict are more likely to be in the works given the way things have been going. Theologically stated, God does not “bring about evil” but rather employs historical actor who do various things through their own wills.

This is not a prediction and is just musing.

Is that a convoluted way of saying that if Trump's reign is a disaster then it's God's fault?

Theologically, Gary, you must understand that God is blameless.

Theologically of course.

God most certainly is not blameless.

For I humbly suggest that God accepts full responsibility for all of humanity's sins and foibles, for it is God who set the necessary boundary (attenuation) on human consciousness so that this grand ("dream-like") illusion of us standing on this spinning orb, flying through the spatial arena of God's mind/cosmic womb, will seem natural and make sense to us.

And that's why - in the end - all of our earthly transgressions (no matter who you are, or what you've done) will be completely forgiven (yes, even the worst of us).
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[Atla]

When they lose, the Democrats always say ... Awww, now's the time for bipartisanship*. Can't we all just get along and get things done?

When they win it's time to do all the mean and nasty things they fear.

You have to admit, Trump is fearless and tenacious as a badger. Lesser men would have faded away long ago. They guy thrives on adversity and to Americans, that's admirable.

Revenge against the Lawfarers would be sweet to see ... and best served cold. Has Jack Smith skipped town yet?


* That could be the next gender because of the bi.

Grow up. Trump isn't a man, he's an NPD.

If true, wouldn't that would be a recipe for quite a dysfunctional white house where a vengeful and tantrum prone god king encourages his many underlings to vie for his affections by constantly one-upping each other rather than actually focusing on getting things done or caring about whether anything is done well?

Not really because he wants to be president after all, he wants the entire US to vie for his affections, so despite all the dysfunctionality in the White House, he does have to run things on a minimum level.

[Gary Childress]

Theologically, Gary, you must understand that God is blameless.

Theologically of course.

Either God is to blame or God is not to blame. Which is it? If God is blameless, then does that mean humans are to blame? And if humans are to blame, then if Trump creates a disaster will it be Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame? And if it is Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame, will God hold them accountable? And if not, are lefties not held accountable also? And if humans are not held accountable then who or what is? Fate? The Devil?

[BigMike]

Theologically, Gary, you must understand that God is blameless.

Theologically of course.

Either God is to blame or God is not to blame. Which is it? If God is blameless, then does that mean humans are to blame? And if humans are to blame, then if Trump creates a disaster will it be Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame? And if it is Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame, will God hold them accountable? And if not, are lefties not held accountable also? And if humans are not held accountable then who or what is? Fate? The Devil?

Gary, I truly commend your dedication to getting to the truth—your “sapere aude” in action. Your willingness to question and probe deeper is both inspiring and refreshing, especially when you're up against such entrenched perspectives. It's not easy to unpack the theological and moral assumptions surrounding blame, accountability, and justice, especially when these ideas rest on a belief in free will, which can be such a deeply ingrained conviction.

It’s worth noting that blame, in itself, is a construct that only makes sense if we believe in free will—that people are consciously and independently "choosing" their actions. Alexis holds that free will is real and that divinity somehow justifies or mitigates blame, judgment, and even hate. This belief is what often leads to the notion that people "deserve" blame or even hatred for certain actions, since they’re presumed to act with full agency and intent. But if we move away from free will and see actions as the result of a chain of causes, the concept of blame loses its meaning.

Hate, too, is tied up in this belief system. When we hold people “responsible” for their actions in a fundamental, moral sense, it’s easier to justify hating them for their perceived choices. But if actions are driven by external and internal conditions beyond one's control, as determinism would argue, then hate itself is revealed as an unproductive response—one that actually relies on the illusion of free will to sustain itself. If we see each person's actions as part of an unbroken chain of causation, the focus shifts from blame and hate to understanding and empathy.

So, in this light, the endless cycle of “who’s to blame” fades, replaced by questions that delve deeper into cause and effect, into understanding rather than assigning fault. Your journey in exploring these ideas is valuable, and your insights are helping untangle what might be the most profound misconception of all: the belief in free will and the blame—and hate—that comes with it.

[Dubious]

Either God is to blame or God is not to blame. Which is it? If God is blameless, then does that mean humans are to blame? And if humans are to blame, then if Trump creates a disaster will it be Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame? And if it is Trump and those who voted for him that are to blame, will God hold them accountable? And if not, are lefties not held accountable also? And if humans are not held accountable then who or what is? Fate? The Devil?

Exclude god from these conditions, meaning also as some kind of divine agent holding anyone accountable, then there remains only one party left to blame; those replete with all the defects which caused the problems. Philosophy more than religion may attempt to detour the onus from its source which amounts to merely another defect as an effort to excuse ourselves.

In short, it's the perpetrators who are fully and wholly responsible and not some convenient, useless abstraction which provides no feedback subsumed as fate, god or devil. Everything that's happening now has an extensive genealogy of interwined causes of what created and contributed to it like the distorted web of a spider stoned on caffeine!