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Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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Re: Questions to Christian’s

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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:58 pm
Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:43 pm It takes extremely strong, emotionally intelligent people to live perfectly happy alone
Well if you call that living..
No one is living or dying.

That's the most amazing beautiful truth, that every nondualist comes to realise. Those people who have relentlessly introspected into the true nature of what it means to be a self, and what that self actually is, are the ones who are no more afraid of being alone, because they know they are alone. And that every one else is alone in their aloneness too.

Some people cannot accept that every other person they know is this one aloneness appearing as many alone people, all of which are living in their own private aloneness. There is only one of us here, and enlightened people know this.

How many people are willing to lose their life to gain their life?

Truly I say to you, enlightened people love the tranquillity and solitude of their actual true self.

When you win you lose, and when you lose you win.

"The false Dharma is gain, the true Dharma is loss"

Of course, this does not negate the dream of separation, it does not deny the dream of separation as never existing for real, because it does apparently feel real and true as well.

But the dream is a reality made up of waves of the same one ocean, and those waves can and do often become very difficult and mentally exhausting to surf, but then those waves are surfed anyway due to the play of opposites where ocean becomes wave and wave becomes ocean again...all because that's just one part of the whole story, where we get to experience life as and through our other half, albeit, the same one self appearing as the many.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:35 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:58 pm
Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 12:43 pm It takes extremely strong, emotionally intelligent people to live perfectly happy alone
Well if you call that living..
No one is living or dying.

That's the most amazing beautiful truth, that every nondualist comes to realise. Those people who have relentlessly introspected into the true nature of what it means to be a self, and what that self actually is, are the ones who are no more afraid of being alone, because they know they are alone. And that every one else is alone in their aloneness too.

Some people cannot accept that every other person they know is this one aloneness appearing as many alone people, all of which are living in their own private aloneness. There is only one of us here, and enlightened people know this.

How many people are willing to lose their life to gain their life?

Truly I say to you, enlightened people love the tranquillity and solitude of their actual true self.

When you win you lose, and when you lose you win.

"The false Dharma is gain, the true Dharma is loss"

Of course, this does not negate the dream of separation, it does not deny the dream of separation as never existing for real, because it does apparently feel real and true as well.

But the dream is a reality made up of waves of the same one ocean, and those waves can and do often become very difficult and mentally exhausting to surf, but then those waves are surfed anyway due to the play of opposites where ocean becomes wave and wave becomes ocean again...all because that's just one part of the whole story, where we get to experience life as and through our other half, albeit, the same one self appearing as the many.
Seriously, you're confusing nondualism with no need for companionship (fairly common for women) and/or with Schizoid personality disorder.

Imo having no need for companionship is inconceivable to most men, and rather than being part of the most beautiful truth, it's rather reason for suicide. The sexes are so different, what a pathetic world we live in.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:04 pm
Seriously, you're confusing nondualism with no need for companionship (fairly common for women) and/or with Schizoid personality disorder.
You are mistaken.

What you are doing is forming an idea about me, based on what I have written, where you then proceed to form your own interpretation of what I have written. Don't twist this as though I am the one who is confused, when I'm clearly as clear as clarity itself when it comes to nondual understanding. You see, this is the problem when other people think they already know another person just because of what they have written.

Who the actual fuck told you, that I have Schizoid personality disorder. I'm sorry to say, but that's just an idea formed inside your own mind, a voice in your own head that you are projecting onto another person as if that other person is you. That's the insanity of the human mind, that they assume they can know another, but cannot ever know another, they can only know about themself.

I'm in no need for companionship because I don't need the waves in my life right now. I'm happy being alone, why can't you just accept that I am happy being alone. Why does saying I am happy being alone have to make me into someone who is suffering from Schizoid personality disorder?? seriously, can't people just be happy without other people forming their own misinterpretations and misjudgements about them?

Your own ideas of what you believe about enlightenment and nonduality are your own confused problems not mine, thank you very much.

I have a male friend in America, he's a nondualist too, I've known him for years, we both have a super great relationship, enduring and pure. We know all about each others dark and light sides of our personalities, and we laugh at them as being the illusory stories that they are. We both know the true self, and is why we just simply work out together as one being in two bodies. We have no interest in living together, or of meeting up to have sex. We just revel in our own nondual knowledge of existence, together as one, it's pure Nirvana talking with him, he and I are one without a second. It's the only relationship that has ever worked for me personally. I adore him, he takes my breath away every time I chat via email with him. and yes, I haven't even given him my mobile phone number or Whatsapp contact, because I prefer the pure beauty of platonic friendships better than romantic intimate ones...the intimate ones always seem to end in heartbreak.
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Re: Questions to Christian’s

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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:46 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:04 pm
Seriously, you're confusing nondualism with no need for companionship (fairly common for women) and/or with Schizoid personality disorder.
You are mistaken.

What you are doing is forming an idea about me, based on what I have written, where you then proceed to form your own interpretation of what I have written. Don't twist this as though I am the one who is confused, when I'm clearly as clear as clarity itself when it comes to nondual understanding. You see, this is the problem when other people think they already know another person just because of what they have written.

Who the actual fuck told you, that I have Schizoid personality disorder. I'm sorry to say, but that's just an idea formed inside your own mind, a voice in your own head that you are projecting onto another person as if that other person is you. That's the insanity of the human mind, that they assume they can know another, but cannot ever know another, they can only know about themself.

I'm in no need for companionship because I don't need the waves in my life right now. I'm happy being alone, why can't you just accept that I am happy being alone. Why does saying I am happy being alone have to make me into someone who is suffering from Schizoid personality disorder?? seriously, can't people just be happy without other people forming their own misinterpretations and misjudgements about them?

Your own ideas of what you believe about enlightenment and nonduality are your own confused problems not mine, thank you very much.

I have a male friend in America, he's a nondualist too, I've known him for years, we both have a super great relationship, enduring and pure. We know all about each others dark and light sides of our personalities, and we laugh at them as being the illusory stories that they are. We both know the true self, and is why we just simply work out together as one being in two bodies. We have no interest in living together, or of meeting up to have sex. We just revel in our own nondual knowledge of existence, together as one, it's pure Nirvana talking with him, he and I are one without a second. It's the only relationship that has ever worked for me personally. I adore him, he takes my breath away every time I chat via email with him. and yes, I haven't even given him my mobile phone number or Whatsapp contact, because I prefer the pure beauty of platonic friendships better than romantic intimate ones...the intimate ones always seem to end in heartbreak.
No, I'm not mistaken, and your American friend has major issues as well. Having no need for companionship isn't strong, it's infinitely weak.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:04 pm

Imo having no need for companionship is inconceivable to most men, and rather than being part of the most beautiful truth, it's rather reason for suicide. The sexes are so different, what a pathetic world we live in.
It seems like you are are painting most men with the same brush strokes, as if it applied to most, but it's not true, it's more about different strokes for different folks.

My friend in America prefers solitude, living on his own, it's a life of bliss to him, rather than be with someone else 24/7..he's tried coupledom life actually, and it didn't work out for him, but maybe because he's naturally happy being alone, he just simply didn't enjoy coupledom way of living, and I can relate to that.

He's not suicidal either. It's only a pathetic world when you believe it is. It can be a pathetic world, I too have felt this, but at the same time I can change my mind anytime I want to, and turn a pathetic world into a Nirvanic world all by the power of my own mind-set, that is, the world I choose to live in, my own little private personal bubble, I mean.

The rest of the world does not exist for me, unless I think about it, but what I think about it does not mean that that world I think about is anything like what I think it is, no, it will always be what it is, minus what my thoughts are artificially superimposing upon it.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:00 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:04 pm

Imo having no need for companionship is inconceivable to most men, and rather than being part of the most beautiful truth, it's rather reason for suicide. The sexes are so different, what a pathetic world we live in.
It seems like you are are painting most men with the same brush strokes, as if it applied to most, but it's not true, it's more about different strokes for different folks.

My friend in America prefers solitude, living on his own, it's a life of bliss to him, rather than be with someone else 24/7..he's tried coupledom life actually, and it didn't work out for him, but maybe because he's naturally happy being alone, he just simply didn't enjoy coupledom way of living, and I can relate to that.

He's not suicidal either. It's only a pathetic world when you believe it is. It can be a pathetic world, I too have felt this, but at the same time I can change my mind anytime I want to, and turn a pathetic world into a Nirvanic world all by the power of my own mind-set, that is, the world I choose to live in, my own little private personal bubble, I mean.

The rest of the world does not exist for me, unless I think about it, but what I think about it does not mean that that world I think about is anything like what I think it is, no, it will always be what it is, minus what my thoughts are artificially superimposing upon it.
That's not a man, just a creep.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:53 pm No, I'm not mistaken, and your American friend has major issues as well. Having no need for companionship isn't strong, it's infinitely weak.
But that's just your own interpretation you are forming there in you. There's zero you can know about a reality existing outside of your own mind there.

And that's not denying or negating the fact that there is a reality outside your own mind, because if you know with absolute certainty that your mind exists, then so too will other peoples minds exist, because you'll create them into being, from your own mind. That's how nonduality works, it projects a reflective image of itself as another, simply because it cannot see itself except as a mirror image. The world out there is your mirror image, how you perceive it to be from your own mind.

You there can never know someone else's reality, unless of course you were actually inside someone else's mind, in which case you would certainly know that your interpretation of another persons mind-set is actually true or not. But as you well know, you can never have access to another mind, for one very good reason.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:04 pm That's not a man, just a creep.
In your opinion.

I would like to call that man awakened.

Why can't you just accept that some people just choose the lives that suit them best. Why do these people who choose their own life path have to be seen as misfits, or creeps, or looney bins, or mentally disturbed people. Why can't they just be normally sane in an insane world where people label and chastise others for just wanting to be themselves without regret or remorse or apology.

Regret, shame, judgment and guilt towards yourself is like chastising a baby for not being born differently. It's on behalf of a "past baby" that should have been born better.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:08 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 2:53 pm No, I'm not mistaken, and your American friend has major issues as well. Having no need for companionship isn't strong, it's infinitely weak.
But that's just your own interpretation you are forming there in you. There's zero you can know about a reality existing outside of your own mind there.

And that's not denying or negating the fact that there is a reality outside your own mind, because if you know with absolute certainty that your mind exists, then so too will other peoples minds exist, because you'll create them into being, from your own mind. That's how nonduality works, it projects a reflective image of itself as another, simply because it cannot see itself except as a mirror image. The world out there is your mirror image, how you perceive it to be from your own mind.

You there can never know someone else's reality, unless of course you were actually inside someone else's mind, in which case you would certainly know that your interpretation of another persons mind-set is actually true or not. But as you well know, you can never have access to another mind, for one very good reason.
What a load of BS. You don't create others into being, and you can know quite a lot about others.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:12 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:04 pm That's not a man, just a creep.
In your opinion.

I would like to call that man awakened.

Why can't you just accept that some people just choose the lives that suit them best. Why do these people who choose their own life path have to be seen as misfits, or creeps, or looney bins, or mentally disturbed people. Why can't they just be normally sane in an insane world where people label and chastise others for just wanting to be themselves without regret or remorse or apology.

Regret, shame, judgment and guilt towards yourself is like chastising a baby for not being born differently. It's on behalf of a "past baby" that should have been born better.
He may or may not be awakened, but as a human he is a creep. The two have nothing to do with each other.
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:20 pm He may or may not be awakened, but as a human he is a creep. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Right you are then, if you say so.

Except, what's wrong with being a creep?

I personally love interacting with creeps, if that's what you want to call them. .
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:20 pm but as a human he is a creep.
Is Atla a human creep too?
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Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:19 pm What a load of BS. You don't create others into being, and you can know quite a lot about others.
What a load of BS .. you have no knowledge of others, even while you lie inside your mothers womb.

Knowledge is a secondary reality, it's an illusory other. I know you find that difficult to accept.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:28 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:20 pm He may or may not be awakened, but as a human he is a creep. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Right you are then, if you say so.

Except, what's wrong with being a creep?

I personally love interacting with creeps, if that's what you want to call them. .
You're a woman so people don't expect much from you. But a 'man' is held to a higher standard and is expected to retain his humanity, and not go down the "I'm happy all alone" evil route.
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Fairy wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:32 pm
Atla wrote: Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:19 pm What a load of BS. You don't create others into being, and you can know quite a lot about others.
What a load of BS .. you have no knowledge of others, even while you lie inside your mothers womb.

Knowledge is a secondary reality, it's an illusory other. I know you find that difficult to accept.
Why should I accept it when it's not true.
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