Free will, freedom from what?

[Immanuel Can]

Eternity is a measurement of time...

Strictly speaking, it's not a "measurement" at all. Just as ∏ (pi) isn't a "measurement," neither is eternity. "Measuring" is always finite. ∏ and eternity are infinite and unspecifiable. Moreover, eternity is not "time," which is also finite. It's better described as a "relation beyond time."

But let that be. The question is still needs to be asked, obviously.

The idea there is a timeless eternity existing as an (if) uncertainty, that is not a measurement, is by definition, still a measurement here in time.

No, actually, it isn't. "Measurements" are, by defnition, quantifications. Eternity has indefinite duration. It's not a "quantity."

[Immanuel Can]

Except there is no one asking the question.

Well, me...and I think you could ask it, too.

No one is asking a question,...

Yeah. I am.

[Fairy]

Strictly speaking, it's not a "measurement" at all. Just as ∏ (pi) isn't a "measurement," neither is eternity. "Measuring" is always finite. ∏ and eternity are infinite and unspecifiable. Moreover, eternity is not "time," which is also finite. It's better described as a "relation beyond time."

But let that be. The question is still needs to be asked, obviously.

The idea there is a timeless eternity existing as an (if) uncertainty, that is not a measurement, is by definition, still a measurement here in time.

No, actually, it isn't. "Measurements" are, by defnition, quantifications. Eternity has indefinite duration. It's not a "quantity."

You may change the meaning to something else by definition, and that would still be the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

Eternity is now. This is it, there is nothing beyond what can only be known now.

While it is often associated with infinite duration, classical philosophy defines eternity as what is timeless or exists outside time.
Unlike time, which has a "before" and an "after," eternity is simultaneously whole.

If you ICan claim one can exist outside of time, in an eternal realm, even though you have no certainty about one existing eternally, and that it's just an iffy idea, then maybe your iffy idea could well be true, who knows until they have tasted the eternal life?

Have you experienced eternal life IC? ..If so thanks for leaving it, and kindly dropping by here today, into what can only be known as space-time duality. And what do you imagine it would be like existing outside of space-time? what does life in the beyond time feel like, would you need a body that is also timeless, can you imagine life without a body? can bodies live forever? so many questions eh.. and supposing your iffy idea of eternal life was true, how do you think you would be able to traverse between living a finite life here in space time, to then finding yourself living infinitely in eternity?

To know you have traversed between the two finite and infinite ideas, you would have to have the ability to actually split yourself into two or into many parts, or quantities of the whole, and that is what your mind is apparently trying to do here, and yet even as that is apparently appearing to happen, nothing will have changed for the whole, because that which is wholly whole, can never not be whole.

Poor argument, Mr Can't. Think deeper, dig deeper into the rabbit hole, and maybe you'll earn your badge of Can that I'm sure you will wear with honour and pride.

[Immanuel Can]

The idea there is a timeless eternity existing as an (if) uncertainty, that is not a measurement, is by definition, still a measurement here in time.

No, actually, it isn't. "Measurements" are, by defnition, quantifications. Eternity has indefinite duration. It's not a "quantity."

You may change the meaning to something else by definition, and that would still be the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

I'm not changing anything. I really don't have to. It is what it is.

Eternity is now.

I think you'll find it's not.

[Skepdick]

There is no freedom from the regularity of nature, everything that happens obeys the regularity of nature, including human behavior, so what is freedom from?

It should be noted that "everything is predetermined" is also absurd.
For actual, simultaneous infinity is an absurdity, in light of the theory of relativity, it is clear that simultaneity itself is relative.

I want to be free from all this freedom!

[Fairy]

Well, me...and I think you could ask it, too.

No one is asking a question,...

Yeah. I am.

If that's true, then why would you need to ask a question in the first place?

Surely, the one who asks a question would already know the answer? because the very action demands it. If there were no answer then what point in the question?

If the answer is not available to you that you have to ask the question, then who exactly does know the answer to your own question?

If the answer is external to the one asking the question, then where on earth did the external get the answer from? that then passed it onto you so that you too could know what the external seemed to know automatically, before you ever did?

If you are all knowing, then what need for a question? if you are all knowing, then you'll already know you are an eternal being. So what's the point in asking anything at all?

But if you are not-knowing, and you know you are not-knowing, then of course you are going to ask questions... but then who do you think you are asking questions to...would they also be not-knowings knowing they are not-knowings? So surely then all our answers would be to the same one question, and that would be ( who questions? ) and the answer would be this not-knowing known...right? ..and the not-knowing known would be no one right, yes, that's right. No one would be asking a question, and have all the answers to that one question asked by all of us, (who knows? ) ...

Not-knowing or all-knowing? and wouldn't they be the same one? Remember, that which is not known can and will eventually become known, but that which is unknowable, can never be known. So know your known and unknowable, to be the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

[Fairy]

No, actually, it isn't. "Measurements" are, by defnition, quantifications. Eternity has indefinite duration. It's not a "quantity."

You may change the meaning to something else by definition, and that would still be the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

I'm not changing anything. I really don't have to. It is what it is.

Eternity is now.

I think you'll find it's not.

You changed measurements into quantifications.

But you didn't do that, you only thought you did it. Only the mind moves, not you. You are eternity now, you are infinity now.

If you are not as you say, then you are finite, and have no business knowing anything at all about eternal life, in fact there is no iffs or butts about it for you finite one. That's just a fact, and reality is reality and facts are facts.

[Immanuel Can]

No one is asking a question,...

Yeah. I am.

If that's true, then why would you need to ask a question in the first place?

Because it's a question for you. And you are not me.

[Immanuel Can]

You may change the meaning to something else by definition, and that would still be the same one love action dreaming difference where there is none.

I'm not changing anything. I really don't have to. It is what it is.

Eternity is now.

I think you'll find it's not.

You changed measurements into quantifications.

No, a "measurement" IS a quantification. Nothing changed. It's just a synonym, a definition. That's how definitions work.

[Fairy]

I'm not changing anything. I really don't have to. It is what it is.

I think you'll find it's not.

You changed measurements into quantifications.

No, a "measurement" IS a quantification. Nothing changed. It's just a synonym, a definition. That's how definitions work.

Yes, that's how they work, but that's just what's happening, for even the known is the unknown.

[Janoah]

There is no freedom from the regularity of nature, everything that happens obeys the regularity of nature, including human behavior, so what is freedom from?

It should be noted that "everything is predetermined" is also absurd.
For actual, simultaneous infinity is an absurdity, in light of the theory of relativity, it is clear that simultaneity itself is relative.

I want to be free from all this freedom!

Apparently, the medical forum can help with this.

[Immanuel Can]

...even the known is the unknown.

"Even the wet is the dry." "Even the short is the tall." "Even the dead is the alive." "Even the sensible is the nonsensical."

[Fairy]

I'm not changing anything. I really don't have to. It is what it is.

I think you'll find it's not.

You changed measurements into quantifications.

No, a "measurement" IS a quantification. Nothing changed. It's just a synonym, a definition. That's how definitions work.

How is How known ...what is it that knows HOW?

Is the knower physical having a location in space and can be quantified?
Or is the knower a mental phenomena that cannot be localised and cannot be quantified.

Have you got a mind to know how, something that cannot be quantified and yet here you are quantifying what you think you know is quantifiable but is not quantifiable?

[Fairy]

...even the known is the unknown.

"Even the wet is the dry." "Even the short is the tall." "Even the dead is the alive." "Even the sensible is the nonsensical."

Ok then, lets get back to talking about eternal life for you. Even the finite is the infinite, right?

Is that possible as you yourself has claimed it could be an if?

[Immanuel Can]

...even the known is the unknown.

"Even the wet is the dry." "Even the short is the tall." "Even the dead is the alive." "Even the sensible is the nonsensical."

Ok then, lets get back to talking about eternal life for you.

Mine's settled. I was only concerned about yours.