ALERT: IN CASE RICK ELIMINATES THE FORUM...

[henry quirk]

I don't think I will bother with that site Henry!

Bookmarked anyway.

My point being that I will set up another forum (philosophy) similar to this one, thus everyone can use www.androcies.com "CONTACT" to register interest - if there is enough interest then I will proceed to setup domain etc..

Okay.

The CONTACT link doesn't work for me. Mark me down as interested.

My e-address: hquirk@gmail.com

[attofishpi]

I don't think I will bother with that site Henry!

Bookmarked anyway.

My point being that I will set up another forum (philosophy) similar to this one, thus everyone can use www.androcies.com "CONTACT" to register interest - if there is enough interest then I will proceed to setup domain etc..

Okay.

The CONTACT link doesn't work for me. Mark me down as interested.

My e-address: hquirk@gmail.com

Cool, no worries Henry - yes, none of the menus are working as yet but I will work on "CONTACT" as a priority.

[iambiguous]

If we did that, Biggs, the whole goddamn forum would be fractured and fragmented. We need people who... well I'll just say it: we need objectivists with intellectual contraptions.

Well, that's the chance some of us are willing to take. Though it does take brass balls to confront a fractured and fragmented world from either end of the moral and political spectrum.

Ironically, this takes me back to a post I submitted -- here? there? -- when I started posting at PN again:

Me? Well, my own story here might be construed as particularly bathetic. Back before various "social media" like twitter and Facebook and reddit became the preferred platforms for philosophy and, well, practically everything else, I was once a member of the larger, more "prestigious" philosophy forum online, The Philosophy Forum: https://thephilosophyforum.com/
But, for posting pretty much the same sort of thing I post here, Postmodern Beatnik -- out of the blue! -- "banned me for life".

Anyway, I went looking for another forum and settled on ILP.

And, back then, there really were far, far, far more discussions started and then sustained by those who, for whatever personal reason, were avid philosophers. Far fewer Kids and "social media" types.

So, basically, I put all my eggs in the ILP basket.

I started my signature threads including quotes, music and film. I commenced my "back to the beginning" series. I contributed any number of posts aimed at precipitating exchanges relating to that which is of most interest to me: how ought one to live given the stark reality that there may or may not be an actual Judgment Day.

Alas, however, ILP has gone more in the direction of the Kids, the yak yak yakkers, and the rabid [often unintelligible] objectivists.
But: it's too late for me anyway. I'm an "old man", wallowing in distractions and waiting for godot. But, who knows, if more minds like Mo's and Faust's and Only_Humean's do become attracted to the forum, the Kids and social media types might be shunted aside.

In any event, given my own actual "set of circumstances", it is all now way, way "beyond my control".

And getting further and farther beyond all the time.

[henry quirk]

I will work on "CONTACT" as a priority.

[attofishpi]

I will work on "CONTACT" as a priority.

On my www.ozgovwatch.com.au I've just notice there are 7 new members - 1 added today! -- I thought I was set to be notified of new members, anyway - if that site continues to climb, then maybe I'll make it actually function!! (they're probably bots!!)

I just loaded www.androcies.com on my TV - looks ridiculous. Fine on my PC got my work cut out!!

[promethean75]

"But: it's too late for me anyway. I'm an "old man", wallowing in distractions and waiting for godot"

I'm not far behind u, brother. But let's not look forward at our deaths but backward at our lives, and keep our faith in the eternal recurrence!

If we are wrong, what have we lost? But if we are right? The belly of the working class beast... the tour in vietnam, Mary and her abortion, Friedrich the mexican objectivist, the daily random youtube videos of mediocre music.... slapping Larry, Curly and Moe around... would u do it all again, Biggs? Or would u curse that life and choose oblivion instead? What if that's all you're gonna get? U gotta take it, Biggs. U gotta take it and love it!

[attofishpi]

But let's not look forward at our deaths but backward at our lives, and keep our faith in the eternal recurrence!

Screw that, I'd rather be dead for the rest of eternity.

Although, life is bonza atm and sage did say "it's worth it in the end."

[promethean75]

"it's worth it in the end."

There's a possible problem with this idea of an 'end' of perfect happiness and all that. Whatever this state of happiness is and means, in order for us to be able to even imagine what it might be like, it has to be similar to the kind of happinesses we know. And most if not all our happinesses are relative states where they are what they are becuz we've gotten out of some unpleasant state.... and therein lies the rub; there are no unpleasant states in a perfect happiness, and so there can be no progress... the thing that makes the only kinds of happinesses we know possible.

A perfect happiness without some kind of suffering doesn't make any sense.

This can be one reason why the idea of reincarnation according to some karmic rule or something like a cyclic repetition of some process that is involved in the creation of universes, is more intuitive than christian concepts of end states like heaven and hell. Final destinations.

[attofishpi]

"it's worth it in the end."

There's a possible problem with this idea of an 'end' of perfect happiness and all that. Whatever this state of happiness is and means, in order for us to be able to even imagine what it might be like, it has to be similar to the kind of happinesses we know. And most if not all our happinesses are relative states where they are what they are becuz we've gotten out of some unpleasant state.... and therein lies the rub; there are no unpleasant states in a perfect happiness, and so there can be no progress... the thing that makes the only kinds of happinesses we know possible.

A perfect happiness without some kind of suffering doesn't make any sense.

I never implied nor inferred from the sage that he meant "perfect happiness"

Thing is, the HELL and great suffering I have endured due to the wrath of God makes me appreciate my life and everything so much more (now).

This can be one reason why the idea of reincarnation according to some karmic rule or something like a cyclic repetition of some process that is involved in the creation of universes, is more intuitive than christian concepts of end states like heaven and hell. Final destinations.

Well as you know I am a Christian that believes in karmic reincarnation (to a point) - that heaven and hell exist as MODES on Earth.

I've also stated that I believe the universe to be cyclic, but that doesn't mean I believe in "eternal recurrence", I think Nietzsche suggested that?

[Age]

"it's worth it in the end."

There's a possible problem with this idea of an 'end' of perfect happiness and all that. Whatever this state of happiness is and means, in order for us to be able to even imagine what it might be like, it has to be similar to the kind of happinesses we know. And most if not all our happinesses are relative states where they are what they are becuz we've gotten out of some unpleasant state.... and therein lies the rub; there are no unpleasant states in a perfect happiness, and so there can be no progress... the thing that makes the only kinds of happinesses we know possible.

'Content' and 'bliss' are different.

A perfect happiness without some kind of suffering doesn't make any sense.

And, what else does not make sense is just about all of the so-called 'suffering: that you adult human beings whinge and complain about, and claim exist.

This can be one reason why the idea of reincarnation according to some karmic rule or something like a cyclic repetition of some process that is involved in the creation of universes, is more intuitive than christian concepts of end states like heaven and hell. Final destinations.

Once again, these people, back then, had not yet comprehended and understood that 'heaven', 'hell', and 'reincarnation' are in relation to here, on earth, and/or in this One and only Universe.

And, those words have absolutely nothing at all to do in relation to with any one of you individual human beings.

Remove 'the ego', and you, people, will stop thinking, looking at, and seeing those words are about you, individually.

[Age]

"it's worth it in the end."

There's a possible problem with this idea of an 'end' of perfect happiness and all that. Whatever this state of happiness is and means, in order for us to be able to even imagine what it might be like, it has to be similar to the kind of happinesses we know. And most if not all our happinesses are relative states where they are what they are becuz we've gotten out of some unpleasant state.... and therein lies the rub; there are no unpleasant states in a perfect happiness, and so there can be no progress... the thing that makes the only kinds of happinesses we know possible.

A perfect happiness without some kind of suffering doesn't make any sense.

I never implied nor inferred from the sage that he meant "perfect happiness"

Thing is, the HELL and great suffering I have endured due to the wrath of God makes me appreciate my life and everything so much more (now).

LOL here "attofishpi" you speak as though what you just lived with was some sort of so-called 'great suffering' and which you also, laughingly, claim you 'had to endure', was worse or more to 'endure' than that of a child who 'has to' live with-in while and when you adult human beings are fighting and warring with each other.

This can be one reason why the idea of reincarnation according to some karmic rule or something like a cyclic repetition of some process that is involved in the creation of universes, is more intuitive than christian concepts of end states like heaven and hell. Final destinations.

Well as you know I am a Christian that believes in karmic reincarnation (to a point) - that heaven and hell exist as MODES on Earth.

In what way and how you adult human beings mis/behave here on earth is what kind of life you will create here on earth. If you behave Truly responsible, then you will get what you deserve, that is; a heaven like existence, or way of life, and conversely, if you keep misbehaving irresponsibly, then you will, also, get what you deserve, that is: a hell like existence and way of life.

And, the most important part here is either way of life happens and occurs HERE, in this Universe, in regards to when 'you', collectively, are alive, or existing, and in regards to you collectively only.

Karmic reincarnation until a heaven like existence begins, and remains, has never ever been about nor in regards to absolutely any one, individually, at all.

The only reason the majority believed those words were in relation to and about you individual human beings was because you 'grew up' becoming very selfish and greedy individuals.

Reincarnation, getting what you deserve, heaven, and hell are in relation to and are about 'you', collectively, as One, and were never about any one of 'you', individually.

I've also stated that I believe the universe to be cyclic, but that doesn't mean I believe in "eternal recurrence", I think Nietzsche suggested that?

[promethean75]

"Thing is, the HELL and great suffering I have endured due to the wrath of God makes me appreciate my life and everything so much more (now)."

Oh this is a good one. I do this all the time. When things go well i want to be grateful to something, anything, rather than attribute it to meaningless chance or even my own will.

When my nihilist side kicks in and i remember that there is nothing to be grateful to (and for), i feel offended by myself, i feel a rude sense of disappointment and I wanna say stfu dude.

Now this is a sign of two things. That i am genuinely appreciative and therefore humble in nature, and that i, like everyone else (according to Freud) have been turned into a paranoid schizo who is now negotiating with and giving thanks to a figment of his imagination (god) becuz as a child that's the kind of relationship i had with the old man. The old man gets me a go-cart, i thank the old man. Not just becuz I'm thankful but becuz I'm tryna stay on his good side, tryna appease em so i might get some more cool shit. I'm negotiating with the father, as it were. Tryna create a symmachia with em.

It's all psychological, mate.

[Age]

"Thing is, the HELL and great suffering I have endured due to the wrath of God makes me appreciate my life and everything so much more (now)."

Oh this is a good one. I do this all the time. When things go well i want to be grateful to something, anything, rather than attribute it to meaningless chance or even my own will.

When my nihilist side kicks in and i remember that there is nothing to be grateful to (and for), i feel offended by myself, i feel a rude sense of disappointment and I wanna say stfu dude.

Now this is a sign of two things. That i am genuinely appreciative and therefore humble in nature, and that i, like everyone else (according to Freud) have been turned into a paranoid schizo who is now negotiating with and giving thanks to a figment of his imagination (god) becuz as a child that's the kind of relationship i had with the old man. The old man gets me a go-cart, i thank the old man. Not just becuz I'm thankful but becuz I'm tryna stay on his good side, tryna appease em so i might get some more cool shit. I'm negotiating with the father, as it were. Tryna create a symmachia with em.

That is, or was, a very strange thing for 'you' to do. Do you know why you would be doing this strange things while others do not?

It's all psychological, mate.

What is the 'It' word here referencing, exactly?

[promethean75]

I just want to say that i was almost halfway through making a hitler rants video and i lost it all. The theme was, generals come in and inform hitler of PN and surrounding forums are either shutting down or inaccessible, but there is one forum left. When hitler is told it belongs to fishpie, he goes bonkers.

These are incredibly fun and the possibilities are endless with contexts.

Imagine the line 'my fuhrer, the site... the site belongs to Fishpie' right before hitler removes his glasses part.

I'm not making it again so you gotta imagine it.

https://www.captiongenerator.com/make-a ... acts-video

[attofishpi]

Hang on, what have I got to do with this..Hitler thang?