WOKE and proud of it....

[Harbal]

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.

Why are you so angry and bitter?

Just life, I suppose.

[Gary Childress]

Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.

Why are you so angry and bitter?

Just life, I suppose.

Was your response "angry and bitter"? If so, it's gone right over my head as usual. It seemed on the level to me.

[Peter Kropotkin]

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

H: Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.


Acc: Why are you so angry and bitter?


K: at no point did Harbal seem to be ''angry or bitter''
this is nothing more than a tired debate point.... just accuse
someone of being ''angry" or being ''bitter''' to force them
to defend themselves against said charges....
the charge, being angry or bitter is rarely ever true,
but it helps keep one from making a proper defense of
the statement at hand....and that is the entire point of this....
of being ''angry'' or ''bitter''... it is just a tactic... nothing more....

Kropotkin

[Harbal]

Why are you so angry and bitter?

Just life, I suppose.

Was your response "angry and bitter"? If so, it's gone right over my head as usual. It seemed on the level to me.

It's nothing to do with my response or with you, Gary. I was put on accelafine's hit list yesterday, and that was just the first shot.

[Gary Childress]

Just life, I suppose.

Was your response "angry and bitter"? If so, it's gone right over my head as usual. It seemed on the level to me.

It's nothing to do with my response or with you, Gary. I was put on accelafine's hit list yesterday, and that was just the first shot.

OK. Well, I hope things work out OK for both of you. I'd hate to see any bloodshed on the forum.

[phyllo]

So...somebody gave him an excessively generous compliment, and he said "Thank you" for it, and you think he thinks he's the Messiah?

Could you at least show somewhere where Trump was the one making the comparison?

He intentionally posted it in order to draw the parallel between himself and Jesus.

Determining whether he actually believes that he is a messiah or he is using it to manipulate his "followers" would require further investigation.

For the time being, one can say that he quacks like a messiah.

[Flannel Jesus]

For the time being, one can say that he quacks like a messiah.

like a messiah, or like someone who thinks they're a messiah?

[phyllo]

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

Now that the Supreme Court has given the president immunity for "official acts" ...

If Trump become president, then he can do anything as long as it can be labelled an "official act".

The writers of the Constitution are turning in their graves.

[phyllo]

For the time being, one can say that he quacks like a messiah.

like a messiah, or like someone who thinks they're a messiah?

If you're personally asking me, I don't think there is any such thing as a messiah.

In fact. I think that the idea of a messiah is a very dangerous idea which leads to all sorts of problems.

[Alexis Jacobi]

If Trump become president, then he can do anything as long as it can be labelled an "official act".

The writers of the Constitution are turning in their graves.

Look further into the actual text of the decision and you will I think find it quite reasonable.

The decision has relevancy not for Trump but for the presidency — hence the careful wording.

This WSJ short video outlines the decision.

Trump cannot label •anything• an official act, nor can any president, except what are, in fact, official acts.

[Alexis Jacobi]

In fact. I think that the idea of a messiah is a very dangerous idea which leads to all sorts of problems.

Would you talk a bit more about this?

[Immanuel Can]

From the inside of a You, it’s hard to get a handle on what’s going on.

Wow. That meant...something...I'm just not sure what.

It’s meant to appear as though there is a someone saying something that no one understands.

The you there should know what that means, because you do it all the time.

If so, perhaps that's my fault...but, on the other hand, perhaps not. Sometimes, the meaning is there, but the recipient isn't processing it.

[phyllo]

In fact. I think that the idea of a messiah is a very dangerous idea which leads to all sorts of problems.

Would you talk a bit more about this?

For people who believe in a messiah, there is an abdication of responsibility for solving their own problems.

Before the messiah arrives, problems are allowed to get out of hand because the messiah will come and fix everything.

When the messiah arrives, he is taken to be perfect with perfect solutions.

Power is given to him because he won't abuse it and he won't make mistakes.

People follow the messiah blindly for the same reasons. They don't question his actions and they don't question their participation in those actions.

Then when it becomes clear that the messiah is flawed and his actions are flawed, they have a bigger set of problems then what they started with. If he is still around, they can't get rid of him easily.


What is required is the idea that nobody is coming to save you. You need to save yourself. And you need to work collectively together to save yourselves as a society.

[henry quirk]

I think that the idea of a messiah is a very dangerous idea which leads to all sorts of problems.

Would you talk a bit more about this?

Nutshelled...

Waiting for, relying on, a savior can make you weak. There's no need to get up off the ground, dust yourself off, and try again cuz somebody is gonna do the hard work for you.

[henry quirk]

you need to work collectively together to save yourselves as a society.

Community organizers -- saviors -- love that kinda thinking.