WOKE and proud of it....

[Harbal]

Well, maybe you should observe aptly. That might be better.

I'm afraid what I see is out of my control.

Well, your vision might need a checkup.

I'll wait for a second opinion before I start to question it.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning and exposition but there are moments when you simply will not budge.

The evidence of people projecting onto Trump in those areas I outlined is real beyond doubt.

You do not agree. Fine. Drop it.

[Harbal]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning

I must admit it would make things much simpler for the rest of us if you were both in the same camp. Put the rest of your differences aside and form an alliance, and thus may we kill two birds with one stone.

[Immanuel Can]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning and exposition but there are moments when you simply will not budge.

Well, why would I "budge," when phyllo claims "Messiah," and all you've got is "Cyrus"?

So Trump's a "pagan ruler" with a favourable attitude to Israel. That's possible. That's what Cyrus was.

In any case, it's a really far cry from "Messiah," which was what you were claiming to be proving, and insisting was "evident"...with no evidence.

[Immanuel Can]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning

I must admit it would make things much simpler for the rest of us if you were both in the same camp. Put the rest of your differences aside and form an alliance, and thus may we kill two birds with one stone.

You couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

[phyllo]

Donald Trump took to Truth Social to once again compare himself to Jesus Christ as he complained about the criminal and civil cases against him, which he views as politically motivated persecution.

On Monday, Mr Trump claimed that he received a message stating: “It’s ironic that Christ walked through His greatest persecution the very week they are trying to steal your property from you.”

“Beautiful, thank you!” Mr Trump responded, seemingly moved by the message that his $464m fine for decades of financial fraud is on the same level as the crucifixion and subsequent resurrection of Jesus Christ. The fine stems from a civil case in which New York State prosecuted Mr Trump for inflating the value of his assets to get better deals on loans and insurance.

Mr Trump’s Truth Social post came as he was in court for a hearing in the hush money case involving adult actor Stormy Daniels. Mr Trump faces dozens of counts of business fraud for allegedly filing a hush money payment as legal expenses after he directed his then-fixer Michael Cohen to pay Ms Daniels $130,000 to stay silent about an alleged 2006 affair during the final stretches of the 2016 campaign. Mr Trump has rejected all notions of wrongdoing and has been attempting to delay all the cases against him. The start of the hush money trial has now been set for 15 April.

The supposed sender of the message also included a verse saying, “They have also surrounded me with words of hatred – and fought against me without a cause – In return for my love they are my accusers ... let an accuser stand at his right hand – when he is judged – let him be found guilty – and let his prayer become sin – let his days be few – and let another take his office”.

It was unclear if Mr Trump believed that the last line was intended to refer to President Joe Biden, but the former president has repeatedly claimed that he’s being prosecuted because he’s standing in the way of the authorities going after his supporters.

The message Mr Trump shared said, “Thank you again for taking the arrows intended for us”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 18772.html

[Harbal]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning

I must admit it would make things much simpler for the rest of us if you were both in the same camp. Put the rest of your differences aside and form an alliance, and thus may we kill two birds with one stone.

You couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

I know, but you gotta talk tough, or folks don't respect you.

[Fairy]

You couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

From the inside of a You, it’s hard to get a handle on what’s going on.

[Immanuel Can]

You couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

From the inside of a You, it’s hard to get a handle on what’s going on.

Wow. That meant...something...I'm just not sure what.

[Immanuel Can]

On Monday, Mr Trump claimed that he received a message stating: “It’s ironic that Christ walked through His greatest persecution the very week they are trying to steal your property from you.”

“Beautiful, thank you!” Mr Trump responded...

So...somebody gave him an excessively generous compliment, and he said "Thank you" for it, and you think he thinks he's the Messiah?

Could you at least show somewhere where Trump was the one making the comparison? Or are you trying to argue that this guy was typical? I can't make out what your point is supposed to be.

[Fairy]

You couldn't hit a barn from the inside.

From the inside of a You, it’s hard to get a handle on what’s going on.

Wow. That meant...something...I'm just not sure what.

It’s meant to appear as though there is a someone saying something that no one understands.

The you there should know what that means, because you do it all the time.

[Gary Childress]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning and exposition but there are moments when you simply will not budge.

Well, why would I "budge," when phyllo claims "Messiah," and all you've got is "Cyrus"?

So Trump's a "pagan ruler" with a favourable attitude to Israel. That's possible. That's what Cyrus was.

In any case, it's a really far cry from "Messiah," which was what you were claiming to be proving, and insisting was "evident"...with no evidence.

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

If he's just an ordinary person, then isn't there someone better out there to align with? The point I was originally making when I sarcastically said "Trump isn't the Messiah" is that he's far from the perfect candidate. He's just a self-absorbed billionaire. If there were a better candidate out there, then I'd vote for that candidate.

I agree that the Democrats should shelve Biden. I'm probably not going to vote this election, or maybe I'll cast a protest ballot for Jill Stein of the Green Party. But I don't want to be responsible for the mayhem that I think Trump is going to cause in the world by voting for him. During his presidency he basically pissed off China and has now gotten us in an openly antagonistic relation with them and alienated our European allies. That doesn't seem like good foreign policy to me.

On the domestic side, he tried to bring back coal-based energy production and egged on a lot of minorities with his Twitter activity during the period when BLM was protesting police violence. I think he believes global climate change is a hoax and that seems pretty dangerous to me as well.

[Harbal]

Carry on IC. To be truthful I like and agree with much of your reasoning and exposition but there are moments when you simply will not budge.

Well, why would I "budge," when phyllo claims "Messiah," and all you've got is "Cyrus"?

So Trump's a "pagan ruler" with a favourable attitude to Israel. That's possible. That's what Cyrus was.

In any case, it's a really far cry from "Messiah," which was what you were claiming to be proving, and insisting was "evident"...with no evidence.

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.

[accelafine]

Well, why would I "budge," when phyllo claims "Messiah," and all you've got is "Cyrus"?

So Trump's a "pagan ruler" with a favourable attitude to Israel. That's possible. That's what Cyrus was.

In any case, it's a really far cry from "Messiah," which was what you were claiming to be proving, and insisting was "evident"...with no evidence.

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.

Why are you so angry and bitter?

[Gary Childress]

OK. So if Trump isn't some holy godsend to you, then why defend him when he makes reckless comments such as he'll be "dictator for a day". Or why defend him when he says, "grab them by the pussy" when the "mee too" movement was going on in protest of sexism?

Probably mainly because of Trump's anti abortion promise, which he made to the Evangelicals as a bribe.

Why are you so angry and bitter?

What was "angry and bitter" about Harbal's response? Am I missing a conversation somewhere else on the forum? Would you fill me in? Otherwise, I'm not understanding the response to Harbal's post.