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[attofishpi]

A quick Google search revealed the following...


In which case, if it's simply a matter of "who was there first," then if the Israeli Jews knew they were being attacked by a reconstituted group of Canaanites, then perhaps they would be more understanding of the proper thing to do, and thus relinquish their claim on the disputed territories (yeah, right ).

The Canaanites that pretty much formed the earliest Abrahamic religion and many of whom became known as Jews? (what do you think anti-semitic came from)

Again, according to the great oracle Google...

This land, known as Canaan in ancient times, is roughly located in the same place as modern-day Israel. Abraham's migration took place sometime between 2000 B.C.E. and 1700 B.C.E.

And the point is that prior to Abraham's migration to that area, the people who lived on those lands were...

...polytheistic, with families typically focusing on veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Mot, Qos, Asherah and Astarte.

And the ultimate point is that those polytheists were there first, which therefore quashes the often-used argument of the Jews being there first.

Jews!!? What Jews?

Canaanites and Ancient Israel:

The Canaanites were a group of ancient people who lived in the land of Canaan, a region that roughly corresponds to modern-day Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, and parts of Jordan and Syria.
Around the late Bronze Age and early Iron Age (circa 1200 BCE), a group known as the Israelites emerged in the central highlands of Canaan.

Cultural and Religious Influence:

The early Israelites were influenced by Canaanite culture and religion. Archaeological evidence and textual analysis show that there was significant interaction and syncretism between Canaanite and Israelite religious practices.
Many deities and religious symbols from Canaanite religion were integrated into the early Israelite religion. For example, the Canaanite god El appears in the Hebrew Bible as a name for God, and the goddess Asherah is mentioned in relation to early Israelite worship practices.

Understand this - they were from basically the same area and morphed together to a great degree - in the area of present day Israel. Divine revelation eventually formed Judaism of the ISRAELITES and they moved from polytheism to monotheism.

The Aboriginals arn't as stupid as you seem to think, they know that whatever 'powerful military forces' from other countries are likely to be cunts. Aboriginals on the whole are quite happy with the Australian way of life. Holy shit seeds, there would be a lot of empty CBD buildings for a long time, they'd soon get invaded by China or Indonesia - don't think that would work out too well.

First of all, I have nothing but great respect for the wisdom of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.

And secondly, none of what you wrote in the above quote has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making,...

Because your point of comparing European settlement in Australia has NOTHING in comparison to the merging of Canaanites and Israelites 3224 years ago. ..and certainly does NOT justify Palestinians continually slaughtering, raping, kidnapping people that have far MORE right to ALL the land than the stupid people that decided to become Muslims as if Mohammad was of any form of 'divinity' - most of them Arabs invaded the lands and slaughtered the (Israelites\Canaanites -- JEWS) - AFTER the 7th Century.

...nor does it dissuade me from believing that if the Israeli Jews had done to you and your family what they did to the Palestinian Arabs back in 1948 and the years since then, that you, as a child, would have been right there, shoulder to shoulder with your mates, heaving rocks (or even missiles) at Israeli soldiers.

Oh what, you mean the ARABS attempting to kick the ISREALITES out of their rightful home?

Civil War and Declaration of Israel:

Following the UN partition plan's adoption, violence erupted between Jewish and Arab communities in Palestine. As the British prepared to withdraw, the conflict escalated into a full-scale civil war.
On May 14, 1948, the Jewish leadership declared the establishment of the State of Israel (remember the Israelites were there 3224 years ago). The following day, neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded, marking the beginning of the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.


Displacement of Palestinian Arabs:
During the 1948 war, a large number of Palestinian Arabs were displaced from their homes, an event Palestinians refer to as the Nakba (catastrophe). Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees were created, and this displacement remains a core issue in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

So who started the Arab-Israeli war of 1948?:- The following day - after simply correctly labelling the area ISRAEL, neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq) invaded..

So the "Palestinian" Arabs (Muslims) that were displaced from their homes AFTER the above occurred - were displaced ONLY because of the above. There are plenty of moderate Muslims living alongside in peace with Jews in Israel right now. The ones that follow their commandment since the 7th century - to kill all Jews - f-OFF to whatever Islamic cuntry will accept them (none will)

If not, then stop wondering why the Palestinians might be a little miffed at what the Jews (and the West) have done to them.

LMAO. I'm not wondering why the so called "Palestinians" might be "a little miffed" - THEY HATE THE JEWS AS THEIR WARLORD INSTRUCTED THEM TO SINCE THE INCEPTION OF EVIL ISLAMIC DOCTRINE IN THE 7th CENTURY - ergo - THEY HAVE BEEN MURDERING JEWS SINCE THEN.

There is more instruction to kill Jews in the Koran than in Hitler's Mein Kampf.

The more pertinent question is, is there anyone around here with enough brains to realize that the followers of Islam are unwitting victims of a super-intense brain washing system?

Most Muslims are too stupid to even bother reading their own Koran and real eyes there is not an ounce of 'divinity' in it.

And if you are trying to show them that Christianity is a better choice

ANYTHING is a better choice. If they want to stick with Divinity - sure I'd recommend Christianity - otherwise be atheists.

Er, please stop posting stupid irrelevant photos - it really detracts from your message - supports it in no way.

[attofishpi]

Mr. Fish Pie: you are repeating the standard tropes. They are pre-established narratives that people toss out in their absence of reality-based views.

You are also getting mixed up in your categories. Judaism is not much of a problem for the region (the Islamic world) but Zionism is really another animal.

Zionism:

Definition:
Zionism is a political and nationalist movement that emerged in the late 19th century. Its primary goal is the establishment and support of a Jewish national homeland in the historical land of Israel (Palestine).

Origins:
Zionism arose in response to widespread anti-Semitism in Europe and the desire for Jewish self-determination. It was formally established by Theodor Herzl in the late 19th century, who is often regarded as the father of modern political Zionism.

Types of Zionism:
Political Zionism: Focused on establishing a Jewish state through diplomatic and political efforts.
Practical Zionism: Emphasized the settlement and development of the land of Israel.
Cultural Zionism: Sought to revive Jewish culture and language (Hebrew) as part of the national revival.
Religious Zionism: Combined traditional Jewish beliefs with the Zionist ideology, seeing the return to Israel as a fulfillment of biblical prophecies.

Achievements:
The primary achievement of Zionism was the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Zionism continues to support the development and security of Israel and addresses issues related to Jewish diaspora communities.

GOOD ON EM!

[accelafine]

Mr. Fish Pie: you are repeating the standard tropes. They are pre-established narratives that people toss out in their absence of reality-based views.

You are also getting mixed up in your categories. Judaism is not much of a problem for the region (the Islamic world) but Zionism is really another animal.

Zionism:

Definition:
Zionism is a political and nationalist movement that emerged in the late 19th century. Its primary goal is the establishment and support of a Jewish national homeland in the historical land of Israel (Palestine).

Origins:
Zionism arose in response to widespread anti-Semitism in Europe and the desire for Jewish self-determination. It was formally established by Theodor Herzl in the late 19th century, who is often regarded as the father of modern political Zionism.

Types of Zionism:
Political Zionism: Focused on establishing a Jewish state through diplomatic and political efforts.
Practical Zionism: Emphasized the settlement and development of the land of Israel.
Cultural Zionism: Sought to revive Jewish culture and language (Hebrew) as part of the national revival.
Religious Zionism: Combined traditional Jewish beliefs with the Zionist ideology, seeing the return to Israel as a fulfillment of biblical prophecies.

Achievements:
The primary achievement of Zionism was the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. Zionism continues to support the development and security of Israel and addresses issues related to Jewish diaspora communities.

GOOD ON EM!

FFS. The word is obsolete now. Zionism was a movement whose aim was to establish Israel. Israel is now a country in its own right. Today it's just a 'safe' way for wokeroaches to say they hate Jews. ''Oh, I don't hate Jews, only ZIONISTS''. You hear it all the time. It's pathetic and transparent.
Is there a special word to describe anyone who thinks Australia has a 'right' to exist? Or the US has a 'right' to exist? Of course there isn't.

[attofishpi]

Hundreds of Māori men and women gathered in Brisbane to ‘Haka for Israel’ forcing a pre-planned-pro-Hamas rally to change location for their hatefest.

(the Hamas supporters chickened out and didn't turn up)

Māori warriors ‘Haka for Israel’ in Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUbf6Ys1BMI

[seeds]

Jews!!? What Jews?

Stop playing silly word games with me.

Understand this - they were from basically the same area and morphed together to a great degree - in the area of present day Israel. Divine revelation eventually formed Judaism of the ISRAELITES and they moved from polytheism to monotheism.

Well, according to Britannica [bracketed interjections, bolding, and underlining mine]...

According to the biblical book of Genesis, Abraham [the founder of Judaism] left Ur, in Mesopotamia [Mesopotamia is known as present-day Iraq], because God called him to found a new nation in an undesignated land that he [Abraham] later learned was Canaan. He obeyed unquestioningly the commands of God, from whom he received repeated promises and a covenant that his “seed” would inherit the land.

Again, the point is that the highly specific area of land that was "given" to Abraham's "seed" by the British via the Balfour Declaration in 1917, belonged to someone else prior to Abraham's migration to that area.

And, therefore, the claim that the Jewish people were the "original" owners of that land is a false claim, regardless of how many of the original inhabitants of that area may have adopted Judaism after it was established.

I'm guessing that you at least hope that people will take the time to review the information provided in the links you post, right? To which I ask, did you take the time (6:48 mins) to listen to what George Galloway stated in the same YouTube video that both I and Sculptor offered?

Here it is again: https://youtu.be/O3JInrihYqg

If not, then don't expect us to click on your links.

First of all, I have nothing but great respect for the wisdom of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.

And secondly, none of what you wrote in the above quote has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making,...

Because your point of comparing European settlement in Australia has NOTHING in comparison to the merging of Canaanites and Israelites 3224 years ago.

I expect that sort of deviating nonsense from people like IC, but not from you. And that's because unless you are irredeemably thick, then you know, good and well, that that wasn't the point.

No, the point was in reference to how you, atto, would feel and react if someone violently expelled you from your home and source of income based on the claim that the land upon which you and your relatives have lived for centuries, belongs to them because their ancient ancestors lived on that land thousands of years ago.

And if you are trying to show them that Christianity is a better choice

ANYTHING is a better choice. If they want to stick with Divinity - sure I'd recommend Christianity - otherwise be atheists.

You and I both know that I've done my fair share of criticizing Islam, especially its sickening attitude towards females.

However, the fact that many of its followers throw themselves on the ground five times a day in praise and worship of their vision of the Creator of this universe, is vastly more devotional and respectful of God than anything a Christian ever does. So, you at least gotta give 'em that.

Furthermore, how about this,...how about we realize (or if you prefer - "real_eyes") that it's time to let go of all of the old religions and come up with something that makes more sense?

Er, please stop posting stupid irrelevant photos - it really detracts from your message - supports it in no way.

Maybe I'll stop posting so many pictures when you stop getting drunk and calling people "c--ts." How about that?

Besides, posting a picture of Madeliene Albright to show her visual resemblance to the monster from this movie...



...fits perfectly with my "message" regarding the moral status of the U.S.A. and its allies.

I mean, when an American Secretary of State claims that the deaths of a half million Iraqi children in the 90s was "worth the price" of furthering America's imperialistic goals, then comparing that person (and the American agenda) to a monster from an "end of the world" movie, not only seems quite relevant, but is also visually amusing (at least to me, anyway).

And lastly, my friend, anyone who constantly uses vulgar language, along with plays on words such as "real eyes" and "MorHamMad" and "REAL_IT_Y", etc., etc., has no business telling anyone on this forum what's stupid, detracting, and irrelevant to their message.

How about you be you and I'll be me and we'll let the readers (all two of them) pass judgement on our lame methods of communicating our ideas.
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[attofishpi]

Jews!!? What Jews?

Stop playing silly word games with me.

Oh ye of NO comprehension skills.

The point was that JUDAISM (Jews) didn't yet exist at the point the Israelites first syncretised with Canaanites (1200 BCE).

Judaism is believed to have developed around 1050-930 BCE, appx 200 years later.

OK. Now if you don't mind I've got better things to do than deal with someone that cannot fathom a penny from a farthing.

[Impenitent]

Trump will now be the first "convicted" felon (who will be exonerated on appeal) to be elected president

you think we'll defend NATO countries while we are involved in a civil war?

-Imp

[attofishpi]

Trump will now be the first "convicted" felon (who will be exonerated on appeal) to be elected president

you think we'll defend NATO countries while we are involved in a civil war?

-Imp

Can he run the country from a jail cell?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Nick Fuentes has an interesting — not favorable — view of the Trump campaign, which he regards as having become diluted from its original declared purposes, and having completed nothing and attained nothing substantial. I cannot disagree with him.

Fuentes makes the radical observation that it was Trump that worked with Israel to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and by empowering a religious fundamentalist faction in Israel with their declared aim of consolidating Greater Israel (remember the map Netanyahu held that did not show Gaza or the West Bank) and edging toward the day when the Third Temple would be constructed, that this may well have provoked the Hamas attack (which is named as a defense of Al Aksa mosque).

There are times, I guess, when really •the chickens come home to roost•. The metaphor requires some explanation. My view — it was not always this way (I was once strongly Zionist) — is that nothing good has come from America’s support (read complicity) for Israel. Simply nothing.

And I cannot see how the •bad tree• will all on the sudden deliver up •good fruits•. In fact it looks like greater octaves of catastrophe are on the horizon.

Curious though those historical junctures where •predictions• and clairvoyance of what likely comes next, fails.

Note: the video doesn’t start till around the 8 minute mark.

[Alexis Jacobi]

You and I both know that I've done my fair share of criticizing Islam, especially its sickening attitude towards females.

It is entirely possible to be critical of Islam yet supportive of the rights of Muslims to conduct their affairs in their own regions.

It is also quite possible to allow them that while holding a position of resisting masses of practitioners of Islam infiltrating Europe (America, Australia, NZ, Canada).

The issue seems to be that US policies and wars initiated supposedly at Israel’s behest have disrupted numerous ME countries and created strife and chaos.

An anti-Israel stance is, realistically, the most rational stance. And as I have been suggesting (because I see no alternative) so is the proposal of a new Palestinian/Israeli state that incorporates all. I cannot visualize an alternative.

[Alexis Jacobi]

The word is obsolete now. Zionism was a movement whose aim was to establish Israel. Israel is now a country in its own right.

According to Israelis a country in severe danger and social conflict on the verge of political crisis and fracture.

You do not seem to be paying attention.

[attofishpi]

RE Trump moving embassy to Jerusalem - I never liked the dude, and thought the move extremely provocative. Years ago way before that, I sympathised for Palestinian people.

Not anymore.

[Alexis Jacobi]

That being so, one must contemplate what policies you do support in the region.

I do not see your general presentation as being very structured in realism, it seems you are playing provocatively within the forum.

It is hard for me to take you seriously.

[attofishpi]

That being so, one must contemplate what policies you do support in the region.

I do not see your general presentation as being very structured in realism, it seems you are playing provocatively within the forum.

It is hard for me to take you seriously.

I push buttons. Just ask God, I pushed rather too hard at times..

How else does one analyse the system?

I spoke to a friend earlier today lives in Asia - he hates Jews (and Muslims) - but has all sorts of conspiracy stuff going on from feeding on the wrong stuff in my opinion. Jews running the world, everything caused by the Jews - yadayada - I used to respect him a lot more but now he retired to the easy cheap life in asia and drinks way beyond anything I would - spirits - screw that stuff - but so cheap over there ...thing is back in the day we could have a chat about deeper stuff than those around us - he got onto some weird fed stuff on utube - and today I thought I could educate him that Jews are intelligent - good people - but he'd have none of it.

So.

Where am I going wrong re the state of the planet re Jew - indeed Zionism - is there some superiority complex as the initial God's chosen people thing going on?

Honestly - when the Jeffrey Epstein thing was kicking off - I watched a lot of utube about that stuff. Honeytraps possibly set up by Mossad (Epstein part of) that have all the sleezy political elites from Clinton to Trump and more with basically blackmail - the dude got P Andrew.

That stuff makes sense to me. Jews have always been very intelligent people - if they can hold a superpower to their will - they will work out a way to do it, and the elites of USA are dumb fucks that are sleezeballs easily sucked into suck a trap.

In watching some of these videos of Epstein and Maxwell - there were accounts from people that were affected by them that stated they had some 'superiority' complex as Jews.

My friend mentioned - although these days I consider him borderline conspiracy ne thing goes to what he listens to, he stated that Jews see us as 'cattle'.

..any thoughts welcome.

[Alexis Jacobi]

How else does one analyze the system?