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[attofishpi]

The Jews were in the land now called Israel at least a thousand years before MorHamMad formed Islam and took his Arabs to start slaughtering and displacing them. (And whatever relatively small band of Christians were around at the time).

It is impossible to deny the Hebrew relationship to Judea. However, the disruption of that sojourn in that land — so many years back — and its reconquest cannot be validated unless one resorts to strange sophistries involving half-truths or open lying.

To validate this conquest European Zionism portrayed itself in Biblical terms: i.e. that God wad behind the ingathering and it was •righteous• to have done so.

These are truly •propaganda narratives•.

Pretty certain ...I disagree.

As far as I am aware - Jews over their history fled to far flung lands as a cause forced by Islamic Muslims. These European Jews have genetic\ethnic ancestry back to Judea - many eventually also made it to America and wherever.

Whether there is a God given right for them to return to the ancestral home or not is irrelevant - they were forced out by evil Islamic Muslims! Personally, I believe - since knowledge of God, that yes they are righteous in Biblical terms to have that land that within which they originally lived.

[seeds]

The Jews were in the land now called Israel at least a thousand years before MorHamMad formed Islam and took his Arabs to start slaughtering and displacing them. (and whatever relatively small band of Christians were around at the time)

A quick Google search revealed the following...

In early times, Palestine was inhabited by Semitic peoples, the earliest being the Canaanites....

...They [the Canaanites] are best known as the people who lived “in a land flowing with milk and honey” [Canaan] until they were vanquished by the ancient Israelites and disappeared from history.

In which case, if it's simply a matter of "who was there first," then if the Israeli Jews knew they were being attacked by a reconstituted group of Canaanites, then perhaps they would be more understanding of the proper thing to do, and thus relinquish their claim on the disputed territories (yeah, right ).

And to frame this in a perspective that might be a little more personal for you, atto, how about those Aboriginals?

They were in the land called Australia, thousands of years before any Europeans arrived there in 1606 and colonized it in 1788.

Are you telling us that if modern Aboriginals, with the aid of powerful military forces from other countries, were to decide to reclaim their ancient land and violently expel you from your home and source of income, killing your friends and family members in the process,...

...that you'd simply belly up like a frightened dog and accept this unjust and immoral assault on your being?

If not, then stop wondering why the Palestinians might be a little miffed at what the Jews (and the West) have done to them.
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[Sculptor]

Attofishpi, accelafine, and Immaneul Can all made a surprise visit outside the courtroom taody to support their hero.

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[attofishpi]

The Jews were in the land now called Israel at least a thousand years before MorHamMad formed Islam and took his Arabs to start slaughtering and displacing them. (and whatever relatively small band of Christians were around at the time)

A quick Google search revealed the following...

In early times, Palestine was inhabited by Semitic peoples, the earliest being the Canaanites....

...They [the Canaanites] are best known as the people who lived “in a land flowing with milk and honey” [Canaan] until they were vanquished by the ancient Israelites and disappeared from history.

In which case, if it's simply a matter of "who was there first," then if the Israeli Jews knew they were being attacked by a reconstituted group of Canaanites, then perhaps they would be more understanding of the proper thing to do, and thus relinquish their claim on the disputed territories (yeah, right ).

The Canaanites that pretty much formed the earliest Abrahamic religion and many of whom became known as Jews? (what do you think anti-semitic came from)

..of course the below is now irrelevant as any comparison.

And to frame this in a perspective that might be a little more personal for you, atto, how about those Aboriginals?

They were in the land called Australia, thousands of years before any Europeans arrived there in 1606 and colonized it in 1788.

Are you telling us that if modern Aboriginals, with the aid of powerful military forces from other countries, were to decide to reclaim their ancient land and violently expel you from your home and source of income, killing your friends and family members in the process,...

...that you'd simply belly up like a frightened dog and accept this unjust and immoral assault on your being?

What makes you think I'd be frightened? The Aboriginals arn't as stupid as you seem to think, they know that whatever 'powerful military forces' from other countries are likely to be cunts. Aboriginals on the whole are quite happy with the Australian way of life. Holy shit seeds, there would be a lot of empty CBD buildings for a long time, they'd soon get invaded by China or Indonesia - don't think that would work out too well.

If not, then stop wondering why the Palestinians might be a little miffed at what the Jews (and the West) have done to them.

There was no such place as "Palestine" until recent history and it was shared by Arabs\Muslims and Jews and Christians alike.

LMAO. I'm not wondering why the so called "Palestinians" might be "a little miffed" - THEY HATE THE JEWS AS THEIR WARLORD INSTRUCTED THEM TO SINCE THE INCEPTION OF EVIL ISLAMIC DOCTRINE IN THE 7th CENTURY - ergo - THEY HAVE BEEN MURDERING JEWS SINCE THEN.

There is more instruction to kill Jews in the Koran than in Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Is anyone around here going to come up with a reasonable argument that will support the evil people that support evil HAMAS?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Personally, I believe - since knowledge of God, that yes they are righteous in Biblical terms to have that land that within which they originally lived.

Well, there are 7 millions of them there now and they aren’t going anywhere. So one way or another they are going to have to figure out how to live with the 7 million Palestinian Arabs within those borders.

How will that be carried out do you think?

Man proposes — God disposes.

[attofishpi]

Personally, I believe - since knowledge of God, that yes they are righteous in Biblical terms to have that land that within which they originally lived.

Well, there are 7 millions of them there now and they aren’t going anywhere. So one way or another they are going to have to figure out how to live with the 7 million Palestinian Arabs within those borders.

How will that be carried out do you think?

It's pretty obvious - they (Muslims) need to forget about their evil Islamic doctrine insisting on the extermination of ALL Jews (and destruction of Israel) - and agree to stick to the land they ended up with - since rejecting earlier much more plentiful offers in the past.

[Harbal]

I just hate it when people insist on taking an impartial, factual approach.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAs5EOBUDcs

[Alexis Jacobi]

Mr. Fish Pie: you are repeating the standard tropes. They are pre-established narratives that people toss out in their absence of reality-based views.

You are also getting mixed up in your categories. Judaism is not much of a problem for the region (the Islamic world) but Zionism is really another animal.

[seeds]

The Jews were in the land now called Israel at least a thousand years before MorHamMad formed Islam and took his Arabs to start slaughtering and displacing them. (and whatever relatively small band of Christians were around at the time)

A quick Google search revealed the following...

In early times, Palestine was inhabited by Semitic peoples, the earliest being the Canaanites....

...They [the Canaanites] are best known as the people who lived “in a land flowing with milk and honey” [Canaan] until they were vanquished by the ancient Israelites and disappeared from history.

In which case, if it's simply a matter of "who was there first," then if the Israeli Jews knew they were being attacked by a reconstituted group of Canaanites, then perhaps they would be more understanding of the proper thing to do, and thus relinquish their claim on the disputed territories (yeah, right ).

The Canaanites that pretty much formed the earliest Abrahamic religion and many of whom became known as Jews? (what do you think anti-semitic came from)

Again, according to the great oracle Google...

This land, known as Canaan in ancient times, is roughly located in the same place as modern-day Israel. Abraham's migration took place sometime between 2000 B.C.E. and 1700 B.C.E.

And the point is that prior to Abraham's migration to that area, the people who lived on those lands were...

...polytheistic, with families typically focusing on veneration of the dead in the form of household gods and goddesses, the Elohim, while acknowledging the existence of other deities such as Baal and El, Mot, Qos, Asherah and Astarte.

And the ultimate point is that those polytheists were there first, which therefore quashes the often-used argument of the Jews being there first.

..of course the below is now irrelevant as any comparison.

And to frame this in a perspective that might be a little more personal for you, atto, how about those Aboriginals?

They were in the land called Australia, thousands of years before any Europeans arrived there in 1606 and colonized it in 1788.

Are you telling us that if modern Aboriginals, with the aid of powerful military forces from other countries, were to decide to reclaim their ancient land and violently expel you from your home and source of income, killing your friends and family members in the process,...

...that you'd simply belly up like a frightened dog and accept this unjust and immoral assault on your being?

What makes you think I'd be frightened?

That's the point, atto, you wouldn't be frightened. No, you'd be filled with anger, along with a justifiable intent on seeking revenge against those who displaced you and killed your loved ones.

This isn't rocket science, it's human nature.

Listen to George Galloway explain the situation to a hapless caller to his show...

https://youtu.be/O3JInrihYqg

The Aboriginals arn't as stupid as you seem to think, they know that whatever 'powerful military forces' from other countries are likely to be cunts. Aboriginals on the whole are quite happy with the Australian way of life. Holy shit seeds, there would be a lot of empty CBD buildings for a long time, they'd soon get invaded by China or Indonesia - don't think that would work out too well.

First of all, I have nothing but great respect for the wisdom of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia.

And secondly, none of what you wrote in the above quote has anything whatsoever to do with the point I was making,...

...nor does it dissuade me from believing that if the Israeli Jews had done to you and your family what they did to the Palestinian Arabs back in 1948 and the years since then, that you, as a child, would have been right there, shoulder to shoulder with your mates, heaving rocks (or even missiles) at Israeli soldiers.

If not, then stop wondering why the Palestinians might be a little miffed at what the Jews (and the West) have done to them.

LMAO. I'm not wondering why the so called "Palestinians" might be "a little miffed" - THEY HATE THE JEWS AS THEIR WARLORD INSTRUCTED THEM TO SINCE THE INCEPTION OF EVIL ISLAMIC DOCTRINE IN THE 7th CENTURY - ergo - THEY HAVE BEEN MURDERING JEWS SINCE THEN.

There is more instruction to kill Jews in the Koran than in Hitler's Mein Kampf.

Is anyone around here going to come up with a reasonable argument that will support the evil people that support evil HAMAS?

The more pertinent question is, is there anyone around here with enough brains to realize that the followers of Islam are unwitting victims of a super-intense brain washing system?

And if you are trying to show them that Christianity is a better choice, then I highly doubt that your vulgar vitriol, coupled with the fact that the Christian nations such as the U.S.A., with political reps such as Madeleine Albright...




...stating that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children "was worth the price" of achieving some of our imperialistic shenanigans,...

...again, I highly doubt that that's going to win a lot of converts.

Now none of this is meant to justify any of the horrors that both sides are guilty of committing.

No, it's just meant to show how insane and unresolvable the situation is, which, in turn, is demonstrating how the Biblical prediction of some sort of end-time Armageddon, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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[Alexis Jacobi]

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[Alexis Jacobi]

Do you think the weak are going to enact some kind of violence on you for speaking up? Or what is your fear of just coming out and saying what you truly want to say?

I’ve never been asked so directly, and certainly never made this confession here, but what terrifies me is if they somehow run me down and, say, I trip and fall, and then like out of Night of the Living Dead they swarm around me mumbling and gnashing their teeth …

But that’s not the worst, Gary, and what chills my soul (like Room 101 for old Winston) is that they drool on me!

Slobbery, sticky, vile, multi-cultural, left-leaning gobs of saliva encapsulating me, maybe even drowning me!

No no NO! Please keep them away! If you have any power over them, any influence, show a hardened sadist like me a bit of mercy!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Alexander Dugan on Christianity and Neo-Platonism.

[Gary Childress]

Do you think the weak are going to enact some kind of violence on you for speaking up? Or what is your fear of just coming out and saying what you truly want to say?

I’ve never been asked so directly, and certainly never made this confession here, but what terrifies me is if they somehow run me down and, say, I trip and fall, and then like out of Night of the Living Dead they swarm around me mumbling and gnashing their teeth …

But that’s not the worst, Gary, and what chills my soul (like Room 101 for old Winston) is that they drool on me!

Slobbery, sticky, vile, multi-cultural, left-leaning gobs of saliva encapsulating me, maybe even drowning me!

No no NO! Please keep them away! If you have any power over them, any influence, show a hardened sadist like me a bit of mercy!

Good for you. What a brave man you are. Sounds twice as bad as changing a diaper.

[Sculptor]

I just hate it when people insist on taking an impartial, factual approach.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAs5EOBUDcs

No one in this cesspit of morons is interested in Nuance.

I can't understand by Rick put up with it.
He'd be better off closing down the Forum to improve the credibility of his Magazine.

I never liked Galloway, but this is well put..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JInrihYqg

[accelafine]

You could always take your anti-semitism and Hamas propaganda somewhere else. Feel free. And take blueberry shortcake with you.