The USA and Israel

[Immanuel Can]

Perhaps Gazan's people are not held in the same situation as others. Otherwise why they should be psychologically inclined to support Hamas?

That is a very, very good question: and the answer would require us to explore the particular beliefs and culture of the Palestinians. Because there's certainly no other reason why they could not do, or have done, what so many other Israeli Arabs so successfully achieved.

They are either not well educated or their situation was not fair or both.

That's a borderline racist statement, I would say. Are you accusing Gazans of just being ignorant people? They can find a way to run cities or make munitions, or arrange multi-front massacres, but can't educate their own children? That's your theory?

Either way, continuing war is not a solution to this pitful situation that they are enduring right now.

If they want it over, then they should stop causing it. Stop attacking Israel, return the hostages, hand over HAMAS and the rockets, and make the deal...just like all the other Israeli Arabs have so smartly done.

There's nothing they have to do that others have not already done.

[bahman]

That is a very, very good question: and the answer would require us to explore the particular beliefs and culture of the Palestinians. Because there's certainly no other reason why they could not do, or have done, what so many other Israeli Arabs so successfully achieved.

They are either not well educated or their situation was not fair or both.

That's a borderline racist statement, I would say. Are you accusing Gazans of just being ignorant people? They can find a way to run cities or make munitions, or arrange multi-front massacres, but can't educate their own children? That's your theory?

How do you explain their behavior otherwise?

Either way, continuing war is not a solution to this pitful situation that they are enduring right now.

If they want it over, then they should stop causing it. Stop attacking Israel, return the hostages, hand over HAMAS and the rockets, and make the deal...just like all the other Israeli Arabs have so smartly done.

There's nothing they have to do that others have not already done.

I have already said that that is not likely to happen since they lost their relative, they are sick and hungry, it is winter and they have no home to live,...

[Immanuel Can]

They are either not well educated or their situation was not fair or both.

That's a borderline racist statement, I would say. Are you accusing Gazans of just being ignorant people? They can find a way to run cities or make munitions, or arrange multi-front massacres, but can't educate their own children? That's your theory?

How do you explain their behavior otherwise?

You can tell what it is from exactly what they've done. It's pure genocidal, racial hatred...possibly the ugliest feature of human nature that there is, and certainly one of the most self-destructive, as well. Their hatred isn't merely genocidal, either; it's suicidal. So it's not in anybody's interest -- not the Israelis', not the Palestinians' and not the world's -- that they should be allowed to continue in it.

Look at Oct 7th. You see exactly what their venom is leading them to. And then look at the war, and you'll see exactly what payment their hatred is rendering to them. Can there possibly be any doubt that the single most important factor that will save the Palestinan people is for them to finally give up hatred?

Either way, continuing war is not a solution to this pitful situation that they are enduring right now.

If they want it over, then they should stop causing it. Stop attacking Israel, return the hostages, hand over HAMAS and the rockets, and make the deal...just like all the other Israeli Arabs have so smartly done.

There's nothing they have to do that others have not already done.

I have already said that that is not likely to happen

Maybe. But if you're right, the Palestinians are doomed by their own venom. I'm not so pessimistic as that: though they have caused themselves much misery, I am hopeful that there are still some sane Gazans who can reasonably at least calculate their own interests, and have some sense of right and wrong left, to which we can appeal for them to make a better choice.

But if you're right, then what will inevitably happen is that the Gazans will keep harbouring HAMAS and holding the hostages and firing rockets, which will compel Israel to continue the battle until Gaza is completely cleared of Palestinians sympathetic to HAMAS, all the tunnels are uncovered, the last rocket captured, and the last hostage either returned or dead. After that, there will never be a Palestinian Gaza again.

I don't think that's what you want, but it's what you're asking for, whether you know it or not.

[Sculptor]

Remember when the objectiviist , trumper, rightard, and religion nuts on the Forum tried to pin the hospital bombing on Hamas.

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[Sculptor]

Maybe. But if you're right, the Palestinians are doomed by their own venom. .

This is the spewng of a dull and evil mind.
12000 women and children are just snakes

[promethean75]

eggscellent point, sculpty.

What happened was, israel was hoping/thinking hamas would surrender almost immediately and didn't expect this thing to be so drawn out. Now that it hasn't, and the IDF has bombed hospitals all over the place, they make the claim that hamas bombed that first hospital, less credible. Lol those asswipes didn't think about that. It would have been better to have just admitted bombing that first hospital with the pretence that Hamas is storing munitions there, then lie about it but continue to bomb hospitals. Now, the world asks: IDF are not only ruthless monsters, but liars too?!

Lol too funny. What a bunch of knuckleheads.

[Immanuel Can]

Maybe. But if you're right, the Palestinians are doomed by their own venom. .

12000 women and children are just snakes

Nobody said that. But even you would have to admit that hatred is "snaky." So I guess it depends on just how wed they may choose to be to their hatred of Israel, doesn't it?

[Sculptor]

Maybe. But if you're right, the Palestinians are doomed by their own venom. .

12000 women and children are just snakes

Nobody said that. But even you would have to admit that hatred is "snaky." So I guess it depends on just how wed they may choose to be to their hatred of Israel, doesn't it?

When you run concentration camps why would you be surprised that the inmates hate the warders?
Your basic problem is your profound ignorance of the history of the region since the end of WW2.
What is more disturbing is that you seem to relish your ignorance, and chose to ignore Netanyahu's genocide.
You are vile.

[Immanuel Can]

12000 women and children are just snakes

Nobody said that. But even you would have to admit that hatred is "snaky." So I guess it depends on just how wed they may choose to be to their hatred of Israel, doesn't it?

When you run concentration camps why would you be surprised that the inmates hate the warders?

Gaza? A "concentration camp"? Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

Your basic problem is your profound ignorance of the history of the region since the end of WW2.

Oh, the irony! Oh, the projection! Oh, the lack of information! But please, do continue...

[Age]

Nobody said that. But even you would have to admit that hatred is "snaky." So I guess it depends on just how wed they may choose to be to their hatred of Israel, doesn't it?

When you run concentration camps why would you be surprised that the inmates hate the warders?

Gaza? A "concentration camp"? Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

Those places look 'good', well that was before bombs were dropped on them.

But I did not notice 'the wall' anywhere, in which those human beings had to get permission first before they could pass through it.

It is a pity some other human beings dropped bombs on that place and absolutely destroyed it. Not to mention those human beings who were also not allowed pass through that walls before the bombs were dropped on top of those bodies. Over 25,000 human bodies were burnt and/or blown to pieces when those bombs landed on. It just seems Wrong and Truly horrific to some. But, to others like the so-called "christian" "immanuel can" this totally unnecessary murder of woman and children is just all justified, and acceptable, somehow.

Your basic problem is your profound ignorance of the history of the region since the end of WW2.

Oh, the irony! Oh, the projection! Oh, the lack of information! But please, do continue...

Yes, come on "sculptor". They are, or were, "muslims", so they deserved what happened to them, and is happening to them, 'now', right "immanuel can"?

They were not of the 'chosen people', and the 'chosen people' want 'their land' back, 'now'.

[Sculptor]

Nobody said that. But even you would have to admit that hatred is "snaky." So I guess it depends on just how wed they may choose to be to their hatred of Israel, doesn't it?

When you run concentration camps why would you be surprised that the inmates hate the warders?

Gaza? A "concentration camp"? Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

Your basic problem is your profound ignorance of the history of the region since the end of WW2.

Oh, the irony! Oh, the projection! Oh, the lack of information! But please, do continue...

In October (when you think this all began) you might have had an iota of credibility, but as the genocide has continued you have doubled down on your stupid and unconscionable support of Netanyahu, and like all religious nuts facing cognitive dissonance you are floundering and hiding behind lies.

[mickthinks]

Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

From that linked NPR article: "As we drive past the sites, our eyes are drawn to Hamas militant training bases, the rubble from a recent Israeli airstrike, U.N. warehouses storing food for the poor and young men sitting on curbs, trapped in a place with few jobs and a bleak future. ... the tour guide ends the day dwelling on a tragedy of his homeland. Even if the territory were open to tourists today, he says, he would not be able to guarantee their safety to show them the riches that are Gaza's heritage."

Your smug dishonesty and sef-deception is an effront to decency, Manny.

[Immanuel Can]

When you run concentration camps why would you be surprised that the inmates hate the warders?

Gaza? A "concentration camp"? Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

Your basic problem is your profound ignorance of the history of the region since the end of WW2.

Oh, the irony! Oh, the projection! Oh, the lack of information! But please, do continue...

In October (when you think this all began) you might have had an iota of credibility...

You're female. No doubt about it. Your manner betrays you. You can't seem to separate ideas from personalities, or deliver yourself from the merely ad hominem. And since you're not really in possession of the facts you need, you revert to personal insults, in the mistaken impression you can get some kind of "win" that way.

Have it. Your "win" isn't worth having.

[Immanuel Can]

Well, here's what Gazans used to say about Gaza. https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/74866151 ... visit-gaza.

From that linked NPR article: "As we drive past the sites, our eyes are drawn to Hamas militant training bases, the rubble from a recent Israeli airstrike, U.N. warehouses storing food for the poor and young men sitting on curbs, trapped in a place with few jobs and a bleak future. ... the tour guide ends the day dwelling on a tragedy of his homeland. Even if the territory were open to tourists today, he says, he would not be able to guarantee their safety to show them the riches that are Gaza's heritage."

That's what HAMAS has now precipitated, alright. But as you can see from the article, and from the associated picture, Gaza was very far from a "concentration camp." It had a "rich heritage" that is now squandered and lies in ruins, thanks to HAMAS.

So when Sculpy floated that term "concentration camp" as an explanation of why Gazans were unhappy, that was just empty rhetoric and an attempted distractor. And that was my point.

[mickthinks]

That's what HAMAS has now precipitated, alright.

No, that’s what the article was saying about Gaza in 2019. You obviously haven’t even bothered to read it properly. What contempt you have for the truth! What contempt you have for Palestine!

What contempt I have for you!