I'm certain it must be, if you say so.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:49 pmQuite oppositely I have a reason for everything I know it is true. For example, free will is real.
Compatibilism is impossible
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You certainly could put any amount of effort in at all, if you wanted to, to clarify what the hell is going on. You aren't, so I assume clarity is not of interest to you.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pmI said or implied nothing of the sort.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:52 pmYour objection to compatibilism is that compatibilists think something that they don't think. It seems like your objection has just dissolved into thin air.
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I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:55 pmYou certainly could put any amount of effort in at all, if you wanted to, to clarify what the hell is going on. You aren't, so I assume clarity is not of interest to you.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pmI said or implied nothing of the sort.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:52 pm
Your objection to compatibilism is that compatibilists think something that they don't think. It seems like your objection has just dissolved into thin air.
Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
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What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.
Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
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That you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pmWhat do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.
Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
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So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:04 pmThat you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pmWhat do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.
Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
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NO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pmSo they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:04 pmThat you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pm
What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?
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So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:27 pmNO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pmSo they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
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Do you really don't understand what a false belief is?Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pmSo if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:27 pmNO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pm
So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
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Yes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:37 pmDo you really don't understand what a false belief is?Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pmSo if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
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No and it's time to say that you're simply being dishonestFlannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:39 pmYes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?Atla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:37 pmDo you really don't understand what a false belief is?Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pm
So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
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No, you just are being really weird and vagueAtla wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:40 pmNo and it's time to say that you're simply being dishonestFlannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:39 pmYes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?
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Maybe to someone who subscribes to a self-contradictory position
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I did respond, it's you who so far you have said exactly nothing. Well then do tell, how does one reconcile determinism with free will?Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:04 pmMaybe because when I ask you "what do compatibilists say that contradicts science?" I expect you to respond with a post about what compatibilists say, and how it contradicts science.
We are talking about REALLY not breaking determinism, not just claiming to not break it and then break it. And REALLY having free will, not just claiming to have it and then not have it.