Compatibilism is impossible

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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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bahman wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:49 pm
Harbal wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:32 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:16 pm
Yes, I admit that I know everything! :mrgreen:


It means that the free decision exists.
Ah, you belong to the, if-I-stamp-my-foot-hard-enough-when-I-say-it-it-makes-it-true, school of philosophy. I've noticed that way of thinking is becoming quite popular on the forum, lately. :|
Quite oppositely I have a reason for everything I know it is true. For example, free will is real.
I'm certain it must be, if you say so. :|
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:52 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:48 pm
Your objection to compatibilism is that compatibilists think something that they don't think. It seems like your objection has just dissolved into thin air.
I said or implied nothing of the sort.
You certainly could put any amount of effort in at all, if you wanted to, to clarify what the hell is going on. You aren't, so I assume clarity is not of interest to you.
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:55 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:53 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:52 pm

Your objection to compatibilism is that compatibilists think something that they don't think. It seems like your objection has just dissolved into thin air.
I said or implied nothing of the sort.
You certainly could put any amount of effort in at all, if you wanted to, to clarify what the hell is going on. You aren't, so I assume clarity is not of interest to you.
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.

Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.

Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.

Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?
That you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.
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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:04 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:00 pm
I was clear enough, while you're all over the place, keep making zero sense, can't follow anything, keep making accusations that are all off. So apparently I'm the one to blame for not trying.

Maybe you're still missing the fact that compatibilism is nonsense. It makes no sense, and you seem to be invested in it and want it to make sense.
What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?
That you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.
So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:04 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:01 pm

What do compatibilists believe that contradicts science?
That you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.
So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
NO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:27 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:04 pm
That you can have free will and determinsim at the same time.
So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
NO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.
So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:27 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:21 pm

So they don't say anything from your post about breaking determinism?
NO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.
So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
Do you really don't understand what a false belief is?
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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:27 pm
NO, they (compatibilists) believe in determinism so they don't believe in breaking it.
So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
Do you really don't understand what a false belief is?
Yes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:39 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:32 pm
So if it wasn't about compatibilists beliefs, what was it about? I have no idea how you thought that post was relevant to the question I asked you, if you don't think it contained anything about compatibilist beliefs.
Do you really don't understand what a false belief is?
Yes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?
No and it's time to say that you're simply being dishonest
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:40 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:39 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:37 pm
Do you really don't understand what a false belief is?
Yes, I do. Are you saying you had a false belief about what compatibilists believe?
No and it's time to say that you're simply being dishonest
No, you just are being really weird and vague
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Maybe to someone who subscribes to a self-contradictory position
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Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:03 pm Maybe to someone who subscribes to a self-contradictory position
Maybe because when I ask you "what do compatibilists say that contradicts science?" I expect you to respond with a post about what compatibilists say, and how it contradicts science.
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Re: Compatibilism is impossible

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:04 pm
Atla wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:03 pm Maybe to someone who subscribes to a self-contradictory position
Maybe because when I ask you "what do compatibilists say that contradicts science?" I expect you to respond with a post about what compatibilists say, and how it contradicts science.
I did respond, it's you who so far you have said exactly nothing. Well then do tell, how does one reconcile determinism with free will?

We are talking about REALLY not breaking determinism, not just claiming to not break it and then break it. And REALLY having free will, not just claiming to have it and then not have it.
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