The thoughts of Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Atla]

Quite possible. People often fall in love with ideas and/or the mere sound of them.

Umm I think Nick_A was a Christian gnostic nondualist or something like that, and Walker was his sidekick. But Christian gnostic nondualism and Eastern "pure" nondualism have very little in common.

Well, Walker was incredibly deferrential to the real life in India head of ashram Guru that trolled here for a year or so. Praising his wisdom. So, perhaps he doesn't know the difference.

From what I've seen, many gurus from India also don't know the difference between "pure" nondualism and their God-oneness-illusion-sex cult BS.

[Walker]

Umm I think Nick_A was a Christian gnostic nondualist or something like that, and Walker was his sidekick. But Christian gnostic nondualism and Eastern "pure" nondualism have very little in common.

Well, Walker was incredibly deferrential to the real life in India head of ashram Guru that trolled here for a year or so. Praising his wisdom. So, perhaps he doesn't know the difference.

From what I've seen, many gurus from India also don't know the difference between "pure" nondualism and their God-oneness-illusion-sex cult BS.

To say I am this, or I am that, convinces oneself of illusory, conceptual boundaries that bleed over into apprehension of reality.

This affects action by limiting the possibility for understanding. For example, you two lovebirds strike me as someones who has dabbled in this and that, and in this although you may not have the depth of knowledge and experience to inspect, that’s not going to stop you from inspecting. You must be from the government. (You may chuckle, because that was funny).

Although we are talking about what can elevate consciousness by the subtraction process of emptying the cup of old preconceptions that often get randomly picked up in a hodge podges of places, fortunately we are not talking about your capacity as an elevator inspector per se, where lives depend upon your verified and empowered deep knowledge of elevation mechanics.

Also, freedom is found in not being bound to the limitations of what you think a posting, or what causes a posting, should be.

As a personal preference of mine, which is by way of saying this should not be interpreted as a universal principle that applies to all folks, I have found that when shallow interpretations are assigned to me in the third person while I’m within earshot of the gossip, then I am witnessing a chickenshit invitation to dialogue in the form of stepping into another’s world of ignorance and into defending this or that assumption assigned to me that is borne in that world.

Hopefully, since I felt compelled to take a few precious minutes to dwell in this realm, for reasons irrelevant to actionless action, I’m figuring that even though you may follow the limitations of a well-worn path, you still have some surviving remnants of the capacity to both follow the narrative of communication and grasp the truth it expresses, and in doing so apprehend the objective clarity and truth of the observations.

"If you can do that, if you can do that and polish that spot …" then you could go forth and transmorgrify the energy used for shallow inspections, and instead likewise as demonstrated transcend the limitations of the well-worn path that has brought you to this moment while keeping in mind the dangers of what would be an ego-shattering experience for a heavy ego attachment, which is a good thing if the alternative to making you stronger doesn’t kick in.

‘Tis not narcissism that causes a roll in the infinite potentiality of a word wallow, but rather, ‘tis the perpetual bliss of consciousness that choicelessly holds the still axis of the world in place around which chaos effortlessly organizes, which could have something to do with spiritual centrifical force, or an excentrifical force that Zappa observed.

Don’t be too confused in trying to understand because that may force you to project confusion as a call to action in others, don’t you know.

[Atla]

Well, Walker was incredibly deferrential to the real life in India head of ashram Guru that trolled here for a year or so. Praising his wisdom. So, perhaps he doesn't know the difference.

From what I've seen, many gurus from India also don't know the difference between "pure" nondualism and their God-oneness-illusion-sex cult BS.

To say I am this, or I am that, convinces oneself of illusory, conceptual boundaries that bleed over into apprehension of reality.

This affects action by limiting the possibility for understanding. For example, you two lovebirds strike me as someones who has dabbled in this and that, and in this although you may not have the depth of knowledge and experience to inspect, that’s not going to stop you from inspecting. You must be from the government. (You may chuckle, because that was funny).

Although we are talking about what can elevate consciousness by the subtraction process of emptying the cup of old preconceptions that often get randomly picked up in a hodge podges of places, fortunately we are not talking about your capacity as an elevator inspector per se, where lives depend upon your verified and empowered deep knowledge of elevation mechanics.

Also, freedom is found in not being bound to the limitations of what you think a posting, or what causes a posting, should be.

As a personal preference of mine, which is by way of saying this should not be interpreted as a universal principle that applies to all folks, I have found that when shallow interpretations are assigned to me in the third person while I’m within earshot of the gossip, then I am witnessing a chickenshit invitation to dialogue in the form of stepping into another’s world of ignorance and into defending this or that assumption assigned to me that is borne in that world.

Hopefully, since I felt compelled to take a few precious minutes to dwell in this realm, for reasons irrelevant to actionless action, I’m figuring that even though you may follow the limitations of a well-worn path, you still have some surviving remnants of the capacity to both follow the narrative of communication and grasp the truth it expresses, and in doing so apprehend the objective clarity and truth of the observations.

"If you can do that, if you can do that and polish that spot …" then you could go forth and transmorgrify the energy used for shallow inspections, and instead likewise as demonstrated transcend the limitations of the well-worn path that has brought you to this moment while keeping in mind the dangers of what would be an ego-shattering experience for a heavy ego attachment, which is a good thing if the alternative to making you stronger doesn’t kick in.

‘Tis not narcissism that causes a roll in the infinite potentiality of a word wallow, but rather, ‘tis the perpetual bliss of consciousness that choicelessly holds the still axis of the world in place around which chaos effortlessly organizes, which could have something to do with spiritual centrifical force, or an excentrifical force that Zappa observed.

Don’t be too confused in trying to understand because that may force you to project confusion as a call to action in others, don’t you know.

Nice speech, but I've gone through the "awakening process" and its bliss, so I know first hand that the "perpetual bliss of consciousness" is just some illusion people are chasing. Sorry.

[Harbal]

‘Tis not narcissism that causes a roll in the infinite potentiality of a word wallow, but rather, ‘tis the perpetual bliss of consciousness that choicelessly holds the still axis of the world in place around which chaos effortlessly organizes, which could have something to do with spiritual centrifical force, or an excentrifical force that Zappa observed.

I said the exact same thing to the postman yesterday, as he was walking back down my path. and I could tell he was very impressed.

[Atla]

There you go:



The higher "basic bliss level" is not something extra that we unlock at awakening. We simply return to a more natural state of mind, roughly to the state that we had in early childhood before our ego (in the Eastern sense) formed.

[Iwannaplato]

To say I am this, or I am that, convinces oneself of illusory, conceptual boundaries that bleed over into apprehension of reality.

This affects action by limiting the possibility for understanding. For example, you two lovebirds strike me as someones who has dabbled in this and that, and in this although you may not have the depth of knowledge and experience to inspect, that’s not going to stop you from inspecting. You must be from the government. (You may chuckle, because that was funny).

Although we are talking about what can elevate consciousness by the subtraction process of emptying the cup of old preconceptions that often get randomly picked up in a hodge podges of places, fortunately we are not talking about your capacity as an elevator inspector per se, where lives depend upon your verified and empowered deep knowledge of elevation mechanics.

Also, freedom is found in not being bound to the limitations of what you think a posting, or what causes a posting, should be.

As a personal preference of mine, which is by way of saying this should not be interpreted as a universal principle that applies to all folks, I have found that when shallow interpretations are assigned to me in the third person while I’m within earshot of the gossip, then I am witnessing a chickenshit invitation to dialogue in the form of stepping into another’s world of ignorance and into defending this or that assumption assigned to me that is borne in that world.

Hopefully, since I felt compelled to take a few precious minutes to dwell in this realm, for reasons irrelevant to actionless action, I’m figuring that even though you may follow the limitations of a well-worn path, you still have some surviving remnants of the capacity to both follow the narrative of communication and grasp the truth it expresses, and in doing so apprehend the objective clarity and truth of the observations.

"If you can do that, if you can do that and polish that spot …" then you could go forth and transmorgrify the energy used for shallow inspections, and instead likewise as demonstrated transcend the limitations of the well-worn path that has brought you to this moment while keeping in mind the dangers of what would be an ego-shattering experience for a heavy ego attachment, which is a good thing if the alternative to making you stronger doesn’t kick in.

‘Tis not narcissism that causes a roll in the infinite potentiality of a word wallow, but rather, ‘tis the perpetual bliss of consciousness that choicelessly holds the still axis of the world in place around which chaos effortlessly organizes, which could have something to do with spiritual centrifical force, or an excentrifical force that Zappa observed.

Don’t be too confused in trying to understand because that may force you to project confusion as a call to action in others, don’t you know.

That was hilarious non-communication. It doesn't rise to the level of being confusing. And perfect that you throw in Zappa.

[VVilliam]

I reason along the lines that IF I were that Creator, SHOULD I view myself as "evil" and then get about identifying reasons why or why not something is "Evil" or "Not Evil".

IS the Mind and the Heart of The Universe, "Evil"?

Question: Do you mean to say that between good and evil there is no wall?
SNM: There is no wall, because there is no good and no evil. In every concrete situation there is only the necessary and the unnecessary. The needful is right, the needless is wrong.

Question: Who decides?
SNM: The situation decides. Every situation is a challenge which demands the right response. When the response is right, the challenge is met and the problem ceases. If the response is wrong, the challenge is not met and the problem remains unsolved. Your unsolved problems — that is what constitutes your karma. Solve them rightly and be free.

"Perhaps this image of an Evil Creator derives from Human Projections based in emotional outburst, and is dressed up accordingly to suit the projection portrayed?"

[Dontaskme]

Heard it through the grapevine that Nisargadatta Maharaj was not a qualified teacher of non-duality.

A qualified teacher would first educate you about A, then B, then C, only then D. No skipping. There is a deliberate, sequential, logical and well-thought-out order how non-dual understanding of Reality is to be unfolded.

Start Here ➡ Vidya (philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidya_(philosophy)

[Dontaskme]

‘Tis not narcissism that causes a roll in the infinite potentiality of a word wallow, but rather, ‘tis the perpetual bliss of consciousness that choicelessly holds the still axis of the world in place around which chaos effortlessly organizes, which could have something to do with spiritual centrifical force, or an excentrifical force that Zappa observed.

I said the exact same thing to the postman yesterday, as he was walking back down my path. and I could tell he was very impressed.

[Dontaskme]

Q: Why do Zen masters not talk to each other?

A: There is no one there for them to bounce off.

[Dontaskme]

I don't read Walker's comments.

I don't think Walker reads them, either; he wouldn't post them if he did.

Oh Harbal, you are so full of magic and sparkle don't ever stop making me laugh.

[Harbal]

I don't read Walker's comments.

I don't think Walker reads them, either; he wouldn't post them if he did.

Oh Harbal, you are so full of magic and sparkle don't ever stop making me laugh.

Philosophy should be fun.

[Dontaskme]

I don't think Walker reads them, either; he wouldn't post them if he did.

Oh Harbal, you are so full of magic and sparkle don't ever stop making me laugh.

Philosophy should be fun.

It's a FUN-Dam-mental.

[Iwannaplato]

Philosophy should be fun.

I don't fully agree with Zizek, but I think there's a funny seed of truth in what he is saying...

In a film called perverts guide to ideology, Slavoj Zizek tells of his psychoanalyst friends reporting a strange trend where instead of people feeling guilty about enjoying too much, they feel guilty about enjoying too little. He goes further and tells of how our relationship with the "big Other" is that of subjects who are not called to duty but to enjoyment. I don't know about any of you but I do feel as if I'm always trying to enjoy something even though I'd rather go to sleep.

That enjoying and having a good time have become a kind of modern religious rule, so we can also feel guilty if we aren't experiencing that.

Which is funny. Whew!

[Dontaskme]

Lets make fun.