My epitaph

[Gary Childress]

Are 'you' here SAYING and CLAIMING that 'you', "gary childress", ALSO have NOT YET COMPREHENDED and UNDERSTOOD what I have been SAYING and GETTING AT here?

Since you've been stating it incorrectly,

What is the 'it' word here REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

What have I, SUPPOSEDLY, been stating INCORRECTLY, EXACTLY?

what should I assume?

Here we have ANOTHER GREAT example of just HOW MUCH 'these people', BACK THEN were NOT LISTENING, and NOT HEARING.

How many times have I suggested that if one Truly WANTS TO LEARN some 'thing' MORE, or ANEW, then it is ALWAYS BEST TO NOT BE ASSUMING ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing'?

So, BASED ON the Fact that I have BEEN CONTINUALLY SUGGESTING that it IS BEST to NEVER ASSUME ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' AT ALL, EVER, then ASKING 'me' in regards to what 'you' SHOULD 'assume', just SHOWS and PROVES how LITTLE of what I have been SAYING here gets even RECOGNIZED, let alone HEARD and UNDERSTOOD.

Should I assume you're a basket case and of no good in this world? Or should I assume that you have a valid message but are unable to communicate it properly to many people on this forum.

ONCE AGAIN, 'you' ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE to CHOOSE TO THINK or DO ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' 'you' LIKE or WANT TO.

If EVERYTHING is an assumption, then how can one NOT assume?

[Atla]

That part I haven't paid attention to, if that's what s/he's saying. I mostly notice Age constantly posting that "you [us] adult human beings" are causing all the world's problems.

Yeah but by 'you adult human beings' she neither means you, nor adult human beings, because she has no conception that such things exist.

If s/he doesn't believe that adult human beings exist, then who is s/he addressing with statements like "you adult humans"? I took her/him to be saying that its adult human beings who are causing all the problems.

There is no 'she/he' either, who would be making the statements.
Good question. Looks like she has a pre-theory-of-mind experience where there is just this jumble of voices and texts that don't belong to anyone. Looks like she can sort of localize some of them to what we consider 'human beings', but this is something very different from what we are familiar with.

[Age]

No, the message is getting through loud and clear. It's just that someone has to be completely insane to believe that that kind of message is correct.

To TEST IF 'the message' HAS GOTTEN THROUGH loud and clear, or AT ALL, 'What do 'you' IMAGINE or ENVISION 'the ACTUAL message' IS here "atla"?

It sounds to me like you want everyone to be polite, calm and courteous while the world goes to shit.

Well 'this' could NOT BE ANY FURTHER FROM the ACTUAL Truth of 'things' here.

Unfortunately, not all of us can be that way when the world is going to shit.

Well CONSIDERING THE Fact that 'that' was NOT ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' that I even THOUGHT, let alone SAID, nor WROTE, here, what 'you' just SAID in this sentence was COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.

We have to be noisy and annoying until the world stops heading toward shit.

What 'we' can CLEARLY SEE here, ONCE MORE, is the SHIFTING OF BLAME. And, ATTEMPTED ONTO some 'thing', which IS TOTALLY ABSURD and Truly NONSENSICAL.

'The world' does NOT head in ANY direction on 'its' OWN. 'The world' HEADS in 'THE DIRECTION' of which 'the controller' IS TAKING 'it'.

And, it is Truly NONSENSICAL and ABSURD to SAY and CLAIM that 'the ACTUAL ones' WHO have ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER WHERE 'the world' HEADS, and ENDS UP, HAVE TO BE so-called 'noisy' and 'annoying', especially when it could be VERY WELL SAID that PART OF THE CAUSE of 'the world' 'now', in the days when this is being written, and WHERE 'the world' IS HEADING is DUE to 'you', adult human beings, BEING ACTUALLY VERY 'noisy', and VERY 'annoying', to BEGIN WITH.

Otherwise, some become complacent and sit back and watch passively while the militaries of the world stock up on destructive things.

And, WHO, EXACTLY, ARE the so-called 'militaries' OF 'the world'?

Oh, and by the way, WHICH 'country' HAS stocked up on, and HOLDS the MOST, 'destructive things'?

[Gary Childress]

Yeah but by 'you adult human beings' she neither means you, nor adult human beings, because she has no conception that such things exist.

If s/he doesn't believe that adult human beings exist, then who is s/he addressing with statements like "you adult humans"? I took her/him to be saying that its adult human beings who are causing all the problems.

There is no 'she/he' either, who would be making the statements.
Good question. Looks like she has a pre-theory-of-mind experience where there is just this jumble of voices and texts that don't belong to anyone. Looks like she can sort of localize some of them to what we consider 'human beings', but this is something very different from what we are familiar with.

Maybe Age is a chatbot that someone has unleashed on PN? That was a theory I had not so long ago. What if Age is an AI? If so, then is Age "aware" or "sentient"?

[Atla]

If s/he doesn't believe that adult human beings exist, then who is s/he addressing with statements like "you adult humans"? I took her/him to be saying that its adult human beings who are causing all the problems.

There is no 'she/he' either, who would be making the statements.
Good question. Looks like she has a pre-theory-of-mind experience where there is just this jumble of voices and texts that don't belong to anyone. Looks like she can sort of localize some of them to what we consider 'human beings', but this is something very different from what we are familiar with.

Maybe Age is a chatbot that someone has unleashed on PN? That was a theory I had not so long ago. What if Age is an AI? If so, then is Age "aware" or "sentient"?

Nah it's a human. Sentient AI doesn't exist yet (and won't exist for a long time imo), and no one could come up wit such a bizarre programming..

[Gary Childress]

Oh, and by the way, WHICH 'country' HAS stocked up on, and HOLDS the MOST, 'destructive things'?

In terms of material, right now China is outpacing the US in military build-up, but the US has outpaced others for decades. Does it even matter at this point who is doing it the "most"? EVERYONE needs to just stop.

[Age]

No, the message is getting through loud and clear. It's just that someone has to be completely insane to believe that that kind of message is correct.

To TEST IF 'the message' HAS GOTTEN THROUGH loud and clear, or AT ALL, 'What do 'you' IMAGINE or ENVISION 'the ACTUAL message' IS here "atla"?

You never developed the theory-of-mind and also have other major shortcomings, which made you come up with one of the dumbest and most unrealistic world-saving theories imaginable. But of course you can't prove any of it.

ONCE AGAIN, 'this one' here has COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED the QUESTION.

'you', "atla", here CLAIMED that 'the message' is getting through, LOUD and CLEAR.

I then ASKED 'you', 'What do 'you' IMAGINE 'that message' IS?'

'you', ONCE AGAIN, HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER.

All 'you' did here was SAY that 'that message' IS 'one of the DUMBEST and MOST UNREALISTIC world-saving THEORIES available'. AND, that ' OF COURSE I can NOT prove 'that theory' '.

SO, I WILL ASK AGAIN, 'What is the, SUPPOSED, one of the DUMBEST and MOST UNREALISTIC world-saving THEORIES available', which I, supposedly, can NOT prove', "atla"?

OBVIOUSLY, I, nor even ANY one "ELSE", could prove A THEORY that 'we' have NEVER even been MADE AWARE OF in the FIRST PLACE.

So, UNTIL 'you' INFORM 'us' of what 'this supposed theory' even ENTAILS, 'we' are NONE THE WISER, as some might say here.

[Age]

Unless, OF COURSE, 'you', "gary childress" WANT to CONTINUE on 'your' path of that 'you', adult human beings, ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT, and ARE ALL JUST 'victims', BECAUSE some OTHER 'thing' IS CREATING ALL of those WARS, and DESTRUCTION, IN 'that world' in which 'you' ALL LIVE IN.

If you're concerned with adult human beings who are creating wars and destruction, then address them.

I HAVE BEEN, and I do 'this' WHEN I USE the words, 'you', adult human beings.

Most of us here aren't employed by militaries or industries that are destroying the world, nor condone the destruction that is happening in the world.

The lengths 'these people', BACK THEN, would GO TO to 'TRY TO' 'minimize' and/or 'justify' their OWN Wrong behaviors, can be CLEARLY SEEN here. There were even SOME who were IN SO MUCH complete DENIAL that FROM 'their OWN perspective' they 'Didn't Even Know I am Lying' here. Some of 'those adult human beings', BACK THEN, ACTUALLY BELIEVED that 'they' have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to CAUSE NOR CREATE 'the way' 'the world' WAS, BACK IN THOSE 'VERY, VERY OLD and DARK AGES', and 'those days' COME-TO-BE KNOWN AS.

Some of us want the wars and destruction to stop and are speaking up about it.

WHERE?

IN philosophy forums, where the goal of some were to BICKER, ARGUE, and/or FIGHT, among a dozen or so 'posters'.

When you say, "you adult human beings" are the cause of our problems, you are writing in a way that suggests, EVERY entity that is an "adult human being" is responsible for what is happening.

Well WHO ELSE COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

'your' CHILDREN?

Or, do 'you' WANT TO BLAME the OTHER animals?

Or, are the WARING and KILLING of "yourselves" the fault of 'earth', itself?

Or, is there SOME 'thing' ELSE 'you' WANT to LAY BLAME UPON?

[Gary Childress]

Well WHO ELSE COULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE?

'your' CHILDREN?

Question: How old are you, Age? Are you an adult human being?

[Age]

Who can be sane in a world of destruction? However, I agree that his posts come off like fingernails across a chalkboard. If he wants to make the world a better place, then he should find a forum full of military contractors and such and post there. He's preaching to the choir here.

Does 'this' IMPLY that 'you', "gary childress", are NOT PART OF the so-called 'problem' here?

In what way do you believe I am part of the problem?

'These people', BACK THEN, REALLY did NOT HELP "themselves" to just STOP ASSUMING 'things'.

I have NEVER BELIEVED that 'you' ARE A part of the so-called 'problem', "gary childress".

All I did here was just ASK 'you', 'Does what 'you' said above IMPLY that 'you', "gary childress", are NOT PART OF the so-called 'problem' here?

ONCE 'that' is ASCERTAINED, and KNOWN, if it EVER DOES, then I WILL move onto the next part of my INQUIRY PHASE and ASK 'you' what, EXACTLY, do 'you' think or ENVISION IS 'the problem' here?

THEN, IF 'you' START TO EXPLAIN 'that', I WILL EXPLAIN what the word 'problem' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, TO 'me', EXACTLY.

AND THEN, 'we' WOULD SEE WHAT ACTUALLY FOLLOWS and OCCURS.

However, going by PAST DISCUSSIONS I WILL NEVER EVER GET TO ASCERTAIN, and KNOW, IF 'you' were even IMPLYING, or NOT, that 'you' are NOT PART OF the so-called 'problem' here, ANYWAY. Let alone GETTING TO PROCEED ANY FURTHER here.

[Age]

How old are you, Age? I recall asking if you were an adult and you replied that you are. Am I mistaken?

WHEN does 'one' BECOME a so-called 'adult' TO 'you', "gary childress"?

And, out of curiosity would it REALLY MATTER either way?

[Gary Childress]

How old are you, Age? I recall asking if you were an adult and you replied that you are. Am I mistaken?

WHEN does 'one' BECOME a so-called 'adult' TO 'you', "gary childress"?

And, out of curiosity would it REALLY MATTER either way?

Are you over the age of 21?

[Age]

Unless, OF COURSE, 'you', "gary childress" WANT to CONTINUE on 'your' path of that 'you', adult human beings, ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT, and ARE ALL JUST 'victims', BECAUSE some OTHER 'thing' IS CREATING ALL of those WARS, and DESTRUCTION, IN 'that world' in which 'you' ALL LIVE IN.

If you're concerned with adult human beings who are creating wars and destruction, then address them. Most of us here aren't employed by militaries or industries that are destroying the world, nor condone the destruction that is happening in the world. Some of us want the wars and destruction to stop and are speaking up about it. When you say, "you adult human beings" are the cause of our problems, you are writing in a way that suggests, EVERY entity that is an "adult human being" is responsible for what is happening.

And what is she supposed to say to them? "The problem is that you people believe that you exist?"

'you' ARE REALLY STUCK ON and IN 'this' self-made up False and VERY Wrong DISTORTED BELIEF of 'yours' here "atla"?

[Age]

I doubt there's any other active forum on the internet where she wouldn't get banned after a few comments..

I don't know. I have been to a forum or two that catered to military personnel. I told them in one that we shouldn't be fighting wars that Congress hasn't officially declared. Some of them got pissed and a few others seemed to agree. They didn't kick me off. I started to feel badly for the consternation I was causing and so I haven't been there in a while and I have forgotten the web address but it had something to do with military personnel. Since Age seems to have no problem with annoying people, maybe he would last longer than I did?

But you said relevant things. I imagine Age would start shouting that militaries and Congresses don't actually exist, they are just making all that stuff up, which makes them evil etc. and then she would get banned.

I WONDER if 'the one' here known as "atla" could FIND just one word OF mine in which I have EVER ALLUDED TO, let alone SAID and WROTE, ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' about 'you', human beings, NOT EXISTING.

OBVIOUSLY 'it' COULD NOT FIND ANY, BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY NONE EXIST.

Although 'it' OBVIOUSLY, and VERY, VERY FOOLISHLY, BELIEVES DIFFERENTLY here.

[Age]

NO, that EVIDENCE for that has NOT ALWAYS BEEN THERE, but NOW it IS.

1. Just so I make "myself" CLEARER and BETTER UNDERSTOOD here, the USE of the 'evidence' here does NOT WORK, for 'me'. The word 'proof' however DOES, and DOES WORK PERFECTLY, for 'me' AS WELL. And 'this' IS BECAUSE OF what the word 'evidence' MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY.

2. Now, the PROOF that the earth is NO flat, that the earth revolves around the sun, that there is ONLY One Mind, that there IS Intelligence existing within 'you', human beings, that the Universe did NOT begin, that the Universe is NOT expanding, and/or that the Universe IS infinite AND eternal, has ALWAYS been HERE, and NOW. That 'you', human beings, do NOT individually COME-TO-SEE and RECOGNIZE these IRREFUTABLE Facts ALL AT ONCE, IS EXTREMELY OBVIOUS. But, what is ALSO JUST AS OBVIOUS is that PROOF and Facts do NOT just COME-INTO-BEING. 'They' ARE ALWAYS HERE, for EVERY one TO LOOK AT, and SEE.

3. 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, however, just need TO LEARN HOW TO LOOK AT and SEE 'things' for HOW 'they' ARE, EXACTLY.

4. WHEN is 'NOW' TO 'you', "atla"?

But even NOW, there is STILL NO EVIDENCE and NO PROOF for 'your' CLAIM.

ONCE AGAIN, 'this one' is STILL YET TO COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND that just like SOME CLAIMED that there is STILL NO EVIDENCE and NO PROOF for 'the' CLAIM that ACTUALLY the earth revolves around the sun, although the ACTUAL PROOF WAS ALWAYS EXISTING, 'they' ONLY thought or BELIEVED 'this' BECAUSE 'they' WERE ALSO ONLY LOOKING and SEEING FROM just a NARROWED or CLOSED perspective of 'things'.

So you UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY MISS the POINT AGAIN and are COMPLETELY DISHONEST.

ONCE AGAIN, 'this one' USES the 'dishonest' word in what some would SAY is IN the MOST Dishonest and/or DECEIVING WAY.

I didn't make those remarks, Age. Please do not quote me for things I did not say. Thank you.

Okay, ALREADY CORRECTED, and thank you for SHOWING 'me' TO MY MISTAKE.