is the Christian concept of the One from a philosophical point of view true?

[attofishpi]

OK, OK, that validates The Parting of the Red Sea! How could I have been so obtuse!

Well to me it makes it plausible, much the same with turning water into wine. We are in a God logic system.
(as I now get tapped on my RIGHT knee)

[Alexis Jacobi]

(as I now get tapped on my RIGHT knee)

OMG! Yes! I felt it too!

I've become convinced! It took one knee-tap to push me through my doubting mind and into True Belief.

[attofishpi]

(as I now get tapped on my RIGHT knee)

OMG! Yes! I felt it too!

U R A LIAR.

I've become convinced. It took one knee-tap to push me through my doubting mind and into True Belief.

What is this True Belief?




..apart from U R A TWAT.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Irony, tinged (lightly) with sarcasm motivated recent comments. I have nothing more to add and there is nothing to debate.

[attofishpi]

Irony, tinged (lightly) with sarcasm motivated recent comments. I have nothing more to add and there is nothing to debate.

..apart from the fact that you could be rather short of sight....rendering U a TWAT.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLna ... xLnaazr2XU

[Alexis Jacobi]

The God of the Hebrews did not part the Red Sea.

This reflects or embodies an epistemological position that cannot be moved.

If that is a defect, I am defectiveness embodied.

Therefore: there is nothing to debate! Yet you will go on & on & on.

I say: enjoy!

[attofishpi]

The God of the Hebrews did not part the Red Sea.

This reflects or embodies an epistemological position that cannot be moved.

If that is a defect, I am defectiveness embodied.

Therefore: there is nothing to debate! Yet you will go on & on & on.

I say: enjoy!

I shall...

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiXV ... xLnaazr2XU

https://www.androcies.com/Prose/Laura%2 ... Three.html

Laura, Two divided by Three


Past quaint shops,
I wandered home,
late at night,
at chess dethroned.
Something caught my eye,
there was...light.
A candle flickered,
beside a knight.
So I pushed the door,
and entered inside.
An old man asleep,
awoke in fright.
Fear leapt into his eyes,
it seemed,
glazed over,
the eyes now beamed.
"Pick a book!",
shrieked the man,
"..but make it quick,
this eternal plan!"
I looked around,
well I guess, they're
books!
The dust so thick,
disguised their look.
"Pick a book,
pick it now!",
shrieked the man,
beneath a frown.
"I'm heading home,
all in time."
"Then head there quick,
or else,
you'll die.
Pick a book, you must now!"
I looked around.
"From which side should I pick?"
A Grandfather clock,
began to tick.
My heartbeat seemed,
in sync with it.
The old man said,
"Be clock-wise and think,
are we down-under,
after all,
or is it those 'up-top',
that have been fooled?"
I began to quiz,
to fathom it out,
is to think of the East.
"Clock-wise, we are up top,"
is what I said.
To which he replied,
"Then go there instead."
The East side of the shop,
is where I looked,
and from a shelf,
I picked a book.
C.J. Dennis,
was in my hand,
The Chase of Ages,
and here I stand.
I opened a page.
The clock stopped,
and the man shrieked,
"Get out of here,
the time is weak!"
I turned to my right,
but quickly I left,
for stood there behind me,
was beyond my breath.
I crossed the street,
and across the grass,
C.J. Dennis,
came to life,
from brass.
"I can slow that ghost,
my friend,
but Baphomet,
will come to life,
in the end.
You must strike him,
and stand your ground,
upon the threshold,
of your own house.
Take this sword,
Excalibur, it is,
now my word,
its calibre denied!"
"Then I shall kill him,
and restore the Templar,
pride!"
As I took the sword,
I remembered my past life,
that evil Pope,
and all his lies.
"Don't forget the,
Song of Rain,
that the A.I.
and entropy,
art to blame!
Now run,
my friend and,
don't hesitate,
or else we are doomed,
our final fate.
This ghost of Baphomet,
it will follow you home,
and upon the threshold,
of your throne,
turn and strike that lethal blow."
"OK. Clarrie", is all I said,
to this gentle man of word,
now dead?
I swung my sword,
kill him now,
is what I thought.
But indeed,
I could not!
For Baphomet was air,
just the essence,
of a visual plot!
Come on darling,
answer the phone,
open the door,
the threshold,
the throne.
I ran,
I ran,
upon my soles,
chased by the one,
king of arseholes.
The answer came,
the sweet voice,
leapt out,
leaving no doubt,
The plan was set,
for she had dreamt,
it all about.
I felt to shout,
"Baphomet,
there is no doubt!
there is no doubt!
from which of that,
you are out!"

Excalibur!

It will slice that fence,
for its metal,
is not so dense.
I took a shortcut,
my breath so thin,
I sliced a cut,
through the,
corrugated skin.
I pushed, and,
split that fence,
right through.
It was tight of fit,
as I stumbled,
upon dew.
Now I could hear,
Baphomet's breath,
it was turning to beast,
of animal flesh.
I got back to my feet,
how shall,
or shalt not,
we,
slay this infernal,
beast?
I ran again,
I ran,
I ran,
My heart,
held out,
for this final,
plan.
Of which I knew,
of nothing more,
than to get,
to that bloody door!
I jumped the gate,
oh I hate that gate,
for from,
the tree of knowledge,
I had ate.
As I got to the porch,
and there she stood,
the most beautiful lady,
ever overlooked.
"Hand me the sword,"
is what she said,
her two soles,
upon the threshold,
spread.
This final plan,
it must be hers,
for C.J. Dennis,
knew of this curse.
I held the blade,
and upon her grasp,
she thrust Excalibur,
deep into my heart.
I fell to my knees,
and then to the floor.
I saw her tears,
whilst stood at the door.
I cried out...Christie!
Why?
Oh, why?
For long and deep,
I did strive.
There was not a word,
spoken from her.
But I knew,
deep inside,
for what she saw,
and short of sight.
I rolled my head,
as I died,
to see Baphomet,
grinning,
his usual delight.
I turned to my side,
as I awoke,
in bed and all alone,
and there I chocked.
It was just another,
dream and again,
I'm all alone.
Still alive,
but just,
an ordinary bloke.

https://www.androcies.com/Prose/Laura%2 ... Three.html

[Alexis Jacobi]

That music link led to this adjacent tune. I have always liked that song.

Carry on Atto.

[attofishpi]

That music link led to this adjacent tune. I have always liked that song.

Carry on Atto.

..yes, and u know I love that song - not going to listen to this version until tomorrow..see. C =

[Alexis Jacobi]

Weisenheimer, a trained parrot once said:

Man has had to fight for every atom of the truth, and has had to pay for it almost everything that the heart, that human love, that human trust cling to. Greatness of soul is needed for this business: the service of truth is the hardest of all services. What, then, is the meaning of integrity in things intellectual? It means that a man must be severe with his own heart, that he must scorn “beautiful feelings," and that he makes every Yea and Nay a matter of conscience!

Faith makes blessed: therefore, it lies....

[attofishpi]

Weisenheimer, a trained parrot once said:

Man has had to fight for every atom of the truth, and has had to pay for it almost everything that the heart, that human love, that human trust cling to. Greatness of soul is needed for this business: the service of truth is the hardest of all services. What, then, is the meaning of integrity in things intellectual? It means that a man must be severe with his own heart, that he must scorn “beautiful feelings," and that he makes every Yea and Nay a matter of conscience!

Faith makes blessed: therefore, it lies....

U R on my scale.

[Janoah]

Quote so. But allegories are marked as such by their structure. They look quite different from factual claims...unless you think Torah also failed to do that job adequately, and allowed confusion on that where none should exist.

The Jews for forty years walked a path through the desert that could be covered in three days. Why? To get rid of "bad" habits, so that a new generation is born that is not accustomed to slavery and idolatry.
But in those days, people used to believe in "miracles" - violations of the laws of nature.
Forty years were not enough to get rid of this habit, and until now many people are enslaved by this habit.
Therefore, the form of presentation was important, which could be accepted by the erring, and understand the correct understanding of the text by true philosophers.


***Was there an Abraham who was blessed by God, or is he just an allegory?***

The historicity of Abraham can be dealt with by historical science,
but for the formation of a true worldview, it does not matter how historical Abraham was.


***Is Israel actually chosen people, or is that just allegory?***

Are you familiar with "The Tale of the Naked King"?
The boy, there, who did not succumb to self-deception - was the chosen one.
Who chose him?


***Was there an actual "Ten Sayings" or "Ten Commandments," or was that an allegory?***

What is said in the Ten Commandments is understandable to a person who follows his conscience. Therefore, the elect, - who did not succumb to self-deception and accepted these commandments.


***Is Jerusalem special, relative to any other locale...or is that just an allegory?***

The Torah comes from Jerusalem, literally and figuratively.


***Is HaShem God, or do you regard Him as a metaphor for something else,***

God for me, speaking in a philosophical language, is the One regularity of the World, to which the World obeys.

[Immanuel Can]

Quite so. But allegories are marked as such by their structure. They look quite different from factual claims...unless you think Torah also failed to do that job adequately, and allowed confusion on that where none should exist.

...in those days, people used to believe in "miracles" - violations of the laws of nature.

Think more carefully.

If the Jews expected irregular events to happen all the time, and were ignorant of what you call the "laws of nature," they'd never have been able to recognize a miracle when one happened. They'd just have said, "Well, odd things happen all the time."

But Moses knew very well how water behaves. And bread doesn't fall from heaven. And water doesn't gush out of rocks. And leprosy isn't curable by ancient medicine. And pillars of fire and cloud don't just show up casually. That is why Moses labelled them as works of God, not as regularities of nature.

A miracle is not a "violation" of some "law." What it is, is an intervention by the Supreme Being, the One who established all the patterns of regular natural phenomena that men have called "natural laws." But miracles are not code violations: they're an interruption by God.

And without miracles, there would have been no Israel.

***Was there an Abraham who was blessed by God, or is he just an allegory?***

The historicity of Abraham can be dealt with by historical science,

What is your answer: did God bless Abraham? Or did He not?

***Is Israel actually chosen people, or is that just allegory?***

Are you familiar with "The Tale of the Naked King"?

That is not an answer: is Israel chosen by God? Yes, or no.

***Was there an actual "Ten Sayings" or "Ten Commandments," or was that an allegory?***

What is said in the Ten Commandments is understandable to a person who follows his conscience.

Are you saying that God did not give these commandments to Israel? You're willing to say they're just products of human feelings?

And do you think that not working on Shabbat, which is one of those commandments, is simply what somebody discovers when he "follows his conscience?"

***Is Jerusalem special, relative to any other locale...or is that just an allegory?***

The Torah comes from Jerusalem, literally and figuratively.

Not literally. Torah comes from Moses, and at no point in his entire earthly life was Moses ever in Jerusalem. And not figuratively, either, obviously: the people who obey Torah took Jerusalem as their capital, but not until the time of David.

So is Jerusalem just another city, or is it the holy city of God?

***Is HaShem God, or do you regard Him as a metaphor for something else,***

God for me, speaking in a philosophical language, is the One regularity of the World, to which the World obeys.

So you think that the word "God," or YHWH, or HaShem, refers only to "the one regularity of the world"? Is it just your synonym for "natural laws"?

If so, HaShem has no will, no judgments, no revelations, no particular people, no city, no Torah...Do you believe that?

[Alexis Jacobi]

Folks we've come to an exciting juncture here! I am sitting on the very edge of my seat and grinding my teeth! What's going to happen!?

The Christian hyper-Jew, who is obviously set on out-Jewing the Jew himself, has asked the poignant question. Either you are in or you are not in. You either *confess the faith* or indicate that you stand outside of *faith* as a possibility.

Whew!

And note! The existence of Israel, indeed the validity of Israel, stands in the balance.

If the Jewish homeland is not justified as *given by God* and upheld by an Eternal Promise -- what then?

It is one thing to consider what Israelis might be thinking when it comes to this issue. But more curiouser in a sense is what Evangelical Christians *believe* about Israel and the intensity of their desire to (righteously) *support Israel* and thus stand on the right side of the will of God Himself. That is, with God and on God's side.

Think more carefully

Indeed!

That is not an answer: is Israel chosen by God? Yes, or no.

How will Jonah answer?!?

I will be taking bets here so get yours in by PM by 7:00 PM (forum time)! A flat *NO, absolutely no!* or a continuation of more delicate semi-answers?

[Alexis Jacobi]

C'mon people! A bit of soundtrack can't hurt! Yeah!