Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:56 pmYou are still missing the point. You've asking us how to assign blame. It seemed as if you were skeptical this could be done. You seemed critical of assigning blame. That when people do this they aren't taking responsibility.
So, to answer your question of how one assigns blame, I suggest you look at yourself and how you assign blame. IOW this doesn't seem hard for you to do.
Perhaps I have misunderstood, but it seemed like the point of this thread was that blaming others is damaging one's own autonomy, not easy to do - given how complicated causes and effects are to work out - and a bad habit. In that context, it seemed, you were asking us, a bit incredulously how one could possibly assign blame.
Blame does damage one's Autonomy when a person cannot attribute Causes to its Sources.
There is SO MUCH TO UNPACK and UNRAVEL here.
1. WHY do you USE capital letters at the beginning of SOME words?
2. HOW does 'blame' supposedly damage one's so-called 'Autonomy'?
3. What is the 'its' word REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?
4. The so-called 'Sources' of 'what', EXACTLY?
5. The 'cause', or so-called 'Causes' of ALL 'things' IS FUNDAMENTALLY the EXACT SAME 'thing/s'.
6. WHY ONLY WHEN a person can NOT attribute so-called 'Causes' to SOME so-called 'Sources' THEN 'blame', supposedly, does damage one's so-called 'Autonomy'?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
This is the root of Injustice, to blame a person or persons for crimes they did not commit.
Are 'you' even AWARE that 'you' CONSTANTLY, and CONSISTENTLY, CONFLATE 'issues' here.
There IS 'blame' TO a person/s who HAS ACTUALLY COMMITTED a crime, AND THEN, there IS 'blame' TO a 'person/s' who HAS NOT ACTUALLY COMMITTED a crime. BUT, what IS the 'This' word here REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?
And, HOW COULD 'BLAMING' someone for DOING SOME 'thing' that 'they' ACTUALLY DID DO, BE, allegedly, 'The root of injustice'?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:56 pmBut here you are assigning blame. Your reaction to my pointing this out is to justify the blame you assign. I didn't tell you your blame was wrong. The topic isn't whether the Left is bad or their actions let to X. There's no need in this context to justify. My point is that however you justified this was your way of asigning blame. IOW see it can be done, even when there are complex causes. And thus through your own ability to assign blame with great confidence you may have your answer to how other people can assign blame and as confidently as you do, even in situations that are very complex.
You pulled an example of me assigning Blame/Cause to complex systems: Democracy, Government, Western Liberalism. I can go into those in detail, if you want to go down that path. Let's use Transexuality and the current issue of castrating boys, teenagers, or young men. Let's assume ages 12-24. Who's to blame?
WHO IS TO BLAME FOR 'what', EXACTLY?
The CUTTING OFF OF certain organs?
The WANTING TO CUT OFF certain organs?
THE REASON WHY SOME WANT TO CUT OFF certain organs?
The QUESTION, 'Who's to blame?' by itself, IS SO OBVIOUSLY ABSURD, WHY can 'you' NOT YET EVEN SEE 'this' BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FACT?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
If this is a social and societal issue, which Libertines would disagree that it is, then my position is simply that we can start with all those who are either Neutral to the proposition, and especially those who are "Woke" and encourage the LGBTQMAP+. And speaking in generalities, we could cast a wide net here...why not?
DID 'you' ANSWER the CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOVE here?
If no, then WHY NOT?
Blaming a Society is different than Blaming a Person, or is it?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Can children consent?
TO 'what', EXACTLY?
'you' REALLY DO ASK the MOST ABSURD and LUDICROUS QUESTIONS "wizard22".
'you' ASK like 'you' EXPECT TO KNOW what 'you' ARE THINKING WITHIN 'that body'.
YET, as I HAVE ALREADY PROVED, and WILL PROVE FURTHER True, even 'you' do NOT YET KNOW what 'you' ARE TALKING ABOUT and REFERRING TO here.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Can teenagers?
WHAT?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Then why would children or teenagers be candidates for transitioning surgeries, aka.
Castration? How is it even possible, that now, 2023AD, after so many Centuries, is Genital Mutilation back in the realm of reasonable dialogue? Why now? Why
all-of-a-sudden, as if people have not been paying attention?
What ABOUT the 'piercings' OF 'the body'?
Can children consent?
Can teenagers?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Or we can use any example, mundane, positive, arbitrary: Who's to Blame for a car wreck? How are car wrecks Caused?
There ARE BILLION DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, FOR EVERY so-called 'car wreck'. So, WHO IS TO so-call 'Blame' FOR 'what', EXACTLY, "wizard22"?
AGAIN, 'your' TYPE OF QUESTIONING IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD and RIDICULOUS.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
At which different points is any human individual, or society, not a 'Causal' force?
IN the SITUATIONS WHERE NO human played a part IN CAUSING 'THE SITUATION' to OCCUR, nor HAPPEN. Like, for example, EVERY POINT WHEN human beings had NO 'causal' NOR even 'Causal' force.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
People deny their own authority and accountability, quickly, when 'Blame' points the finger at them.
ONCE AGAIN, and 'this' IS FOR 'those' who are NOT DEAF and BLIND here, 'this' HAPPENS and OCCURS BECAUSE of the CONNOTATION that comes WITH the word 'blame'.
ALSO, while one IS 'blaming' "another", and there WAS ABSOLUTELY NO 'fear' of being JUDGED, RIDICULED, HUMILIATED, NOR PUNISHED, NOR ANY 'past experience' of 'these things' HAD HAPPENED and OCCURRED, then absolutely NO one would even DENY their OWN 'authority NOR accountability'.
'you', people, ONLY DENY the 'things' that 'you' DO, FOR the 'fear' of the UNWANTED REPERCUSSIONS and RETRIBUTIONS.
LOL There WILL NOT BE, TO 'you', and there IS NOT, TO 'us', ANY DENYING AT ALL of 'that' what one HAS ACTUALLY DONE WHEN, and IF, the so-called 'finger IS POINTED'.
ALSO, HOW could so-called 'Blame' EVEN 'point THE finger, at ANY one'.
ONLY 'you', human beings, 'point YOUR fingers', AT "others", IN the name of 'blame' and/or 'blaming'.
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Or consider the matters of Guilt and Shame. Are these not examples of a person blaming-oneself?
AGAIN, the CONNOTATIONS that COME WITH the word 'blame' MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD REASON TO JUST STOP 'laying blame' ON "each other", which OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES "your" OWN 'selves'.
Unless, OF COURSE, ANY one of 'you' thinks or BELIEVES that it IS a GOOD IDEA to KEEP 'laying blame' ON "yourselves".
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Can people be wrong?
AGAIN, 'you' ASK the MOST SILLY and STUPID QUESTIONS "wizard22".
Can people be wrong IN REGARDS TO 'what', EXACTLY?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Can people lie?
Have 'you' KNOWN OF an adult human being who has NOT 'lied'?
If yes, then WHO, EXACTLY?
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:40 am
Can people take the blame for other people's crimes and failings?
'They' COULD. BUT, 'they' would be VERY FOOLISH and STUPID TO.
Although in SAYING 'this', 'the world' WOULD ALREADY BE a MUCH BETTER PLACE if adults TOOK 'the blame' FOR EVERY 'thing' that children DO.