Authority and Autonomy

[Age]

How can any person possibly differentiate between what is "actually caused" by oneself, by another, or by something else (like "Nature")?

VERY SIMPLY, and VERY EASILY, in fact.

IOW, how can any person be realistic or accurate about finding "The Cause" to something?

AGAIN, IN the EXACT SAME WAY, which, AGAIN, IS VERY SIMPLE, and VERY EASY, TO DO.

Where does your finger point to (where does your mind point to) first and foremost?

'you', WILL HAVE TO LEARN and UNDERSTAND who and what 'you' ARE, and who and what the 'Mind', Itself, IS FIRST, in order to be ABLE TO COMPREHEND and UNDERSTAND the ACTUAL ANSWER to your QUESTION here.

[Age]

Have you lead a team of men before?

Would it matter if one had led a team of 'women' before?

It's easy when you Win and are victorious.

WHY does the 'win' word here have a capital 'w'?

AND, what is, supposedly, 'easy' when you so-call 'Win' and are 'victorious'?

ALSO, 'Win' and are 'victorious' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

Everybody basks in the glory, despite the heroes who 'carry' most of the work. And that's the point—The Cause of the victory quickly gets lost in the details. Nobody really cares much about 'cause' in victory. Rather it's in Loss that 'cause', suddenly, becomes important. Is this how it is for everything then in life?

WHY do 'you' LOOK AT 'things' THIS WAY, and DO 'this', "wizard22"?

Contrary to what 'you' BELIEVE, NOT EVERY one DOES 'these things' NOR LOOKS AT 'things' this way.

The Cause generally tends to, or only matters, in all the negative aspects of life?

The Cause only matters when damage, injury, death, hurt, hatred, suffering, pain...are involved?

Just the NOTION that there is 'loss' OR 'win' (with or without starting in capital letters) IN Life IS Truly ABSURD, let alone looking AT or FOR SOME so-called 'cause'.

'you', adult human beings, in the days when this is being really, REALLY HAVE COME TO HAVE A Truly DISTORTED and TWISTED WAY of LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things, IN Life.

When somebody is happy and healthy, do they then obsess about "The Cause" of it?...or do they simply live it?


So Causes, Causation, The Cause, refers to what is Negative, does it not? And those who obsess, do so out of Necessity?

The so-called 'cause' of ALL 'things' IS the EXACT SAME, and, which by the way, is ALREADY Truly OBVIOUS.

So, FIND OUT WHY SOME OF 'you', supposedly, do NOT obsess about 'the cause', (now with a capital 'c'), when 'you' are 'happy and healthy', but do so in other situations, then the reason WHY there IS ONLY THE One ANSWER becomes even MORE OBVIOUS.

Back to the premise—it's difficult when you Lose and have failed.

WHAT DOES THE 'it' word here REFER TO, EXACTLY?

What IS 'the premise'?

AND, DO NOT FORGET that 'it' IS YOUR 'premise', which does NOT even mean that 'it' is even CLOSE to being true AND right, let alone being ACTUALLY True AND Right.

Your team begins pointing the finger at one-another. And here is Human Nature.

LOL
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IF ANY one of 'you' IS so-called 'pointing the finger', then this IS just BECAUSE 'you' have NOT YET LEARNED to ACCEPT and TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. Which, by the way, IS just LEARNED MISBEHAVIOR, and NOT 'human nature', AT ALL, (with capitals or not).

WHY do 'you', "wizard22", BLAME human 'Wrong behavior' ON 'human nature'?

SERIOUSLY, WHY do 'you', "wizard22", 'POINT THE FINGER' AT 'human nature', for human MISBEHAVIOR?

WHEN, and ONLY WHEN, 'you', adult human beings, START TAKING, and ACCEPTING, FULL RESPONSIBILITY, THEN, and ONLY THEN, 'you' WILL START LEARNING and SEEING HOW TO DIFFERENTIATE between what IS ACTUALLY 'human nature' FROM ALL of the LEARNED behaviors AND misbehaviors,

It's in the failure, the loss, shame, guilt, contempt, desire to separate, that "Causes" suddenly become the greatest importance.

ONLY to those of 'you' who have been BROUGHT UP Wrong or Incorrectly.

So what do humans do? Or even, any other Mammalian troop? I'll cut to the chase, the ending. Mammals, and Humans, both tend to pick-out a Whipping Boy, a Scapegoat. And "The Causes" are assigned to it, Blamed. It doesn't matter if the Whipping Boy actually caused the Loss. What matters is that Humans, or any Mammalian group, 'avenges' itself against its weakest link. This often is a deadly circumstance. If the Whipping Boy is whipped too harshly, beaten too grievously...

Here we have ANOTHER GREAT example OF 'confirmation bias', AT PLAY.

What OTHER mammals, besides 'you' human being ones, so-call ' pick out a so-called "whipping boy" ', and will you PROVIDE us some examples of how and when this happens.

What's His name...?

The Whipping Boy of Human History??

Do 'you' HAVE ANOTHER name for this so-called "whipping boy" (starting with capital letters)?

If yes, then will you PROVIDE us with 'this name'?

[Age]

“An ignorant person is inclined to blame others for his own misfortune. To blame oneself is proof of progress. But the wise man never has to blame another or himself.” - Epictetus

Let's assume that there is no 'objective' blame. It's completely Artificial, Subjective.

What does that then imply about the world's major Religions, Morality in general, Ethics?

If you can Blame anybody you want for a car crash...then whom will you point your finger, phyllo??

As I was POINTING OUT the word 'blame', or more correctly, the CONNOTATION of 'blame' MIGHT BE WHY the 'issues' arise, which you have been pointing out and mentioning here.

[Age]

How can any person possibly differentiate between what is "actually caused" by oneself, by another, or by something else (like "Nature")?

Yeah, I mean conservatives often blame the 60s and boomers for all sorts of problems, but what led to the 60s, the 50s that convervatives often point to as much better than various nows.

But then, sure sometimes I think one can blame people. I'm biking along and someone darts out onto the bike path and gets nipped by my bike. I blame them.

Here we have a PRIME case of NOT TAKING ANY RESPONSIBILITY and so NOT ACCEPTING OF ANY RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL, NEITHER.

Thus, a PRIME example of WHY 'the world' IS in THE MESS that 'it' IS IN, in the days when this is being written.

In some pure, ultimate, perfectly immaculate, permanent, absolute sense, probably not. But I think in everyday stuff blame can be both pretty natural and often easy to assign.

SEE, 'these ones' CONTINUALLY BLAME, the very misbehavior of BLAMING "others", ON 'Nature', Itself, or ON 'human nature', that is; what is NATURAL TO 'them', and thus some 'thing' that would be AN IMPOSSIBILITY FOR 'them' TO AVOID.

IOW, how can any person be realistic or accurate about finding "The Cause" to something?

How did you arrive at it here....

This is the end-result of liberalism-leftism-marxism and Democrat-dominated US culture and politics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFlpCBMyIk

Where does your finger point to (where does your mind point to) first and foremost?

Me and God. Though often in specific moments me and other people, but I get why they, like me, are messed up.

SO, WHY ARE 'you', AND 'them', so-called 'messed up', EXACTLY?

[Wizard22]

How did you arrive at it here....

This is the end-result of liberalism-leftism-marxism and Democrat-dominated US culture and politics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWFlpCBMyIk

Even the Hellenic Greeks knew the inevitable conclusions of Democracy, pushed to its logical and moral limits. It's no secret. When a population expands to include more outsiders, include more outsiders, include more outsiders ... include more criminals, include more sexual deviants, etc. then eventually "Democracy" includes all the worst elements of society and rids itself of 'expulsion' or 'exclusion' completely. That is when the society inhibits disease and downfall is imminent. Like a cancer diagnosis, it's only a matter of time. Because the Body-Politic can no longer differentiate between what is good or bad within it, and could not expulse or exclude "the bad" even if it were want to be identified.

Tell me how you think I should reconsider it.

Do you really think there aren't people who blame themselves too much?

I believe above 99% of the human specie is 'fascist' in their mentality when it comes to Blame, Justice, and Morality. In other words, people ultimately "determine" blame as dictated by the highest Authority of their body-politic/society. In other words, in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Moslem Imams, Clergy, Dictators, are the ones who ultimately dictate the blame & cause of crimes and punishment. The masses do not see themselves as Autonomous in this sense. It's really, only in Western Civilization, US Government, French Culture specifically, that there is a 'Libertine' premise of human individuality, and that human individuals are fit to gauge or decide or act based on the premise of "free-will". This premise doesn't really matter, because people again generally act according to their instinct, and Blame the long litany list of Causal candidates already mentioned. People blame God, Government, Christ, Satan, Evil, Ghosts-Goblins-Spooks, Conspiracy Theory, all manners of excuses, which transfers moral responsibility, therefore and thereby Autonomy, away from the "Individual Self".

Westerners don't even really believe in "Free-Will", nor do they act like it anymore. The French and American 'Libertine' Enlightenment Experiment is coming to a close in Western History—as the masses revert to their instinctual compulsion: Blame. Cause follows closely behind. But it's much worse than simply "God did it", or "Trump did it", or "Obama did it".

Well, it seems like you think it was Jesus. Let us know how. But he is not Human History's Whipping boy. Christians, for example, do not blame him for things (except perhaps when something horrible happens and they blame God/Jesus. But they generally regret that and doctrine goes against it. I doubt many Chinese blame Jesus for much.

I think Jesus Christ signifies this phenomenon, and so has become a symbol for cosmic justice in the 'humane' sense or context. Humanity, History, needs a stooge. The Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, comprising what, over 66% of the world population, capitalize and abuse this fact. Their moral and ethical systems rely upon it. I personally always connected the Christ analogy to the persecution of Socrates in Ancient Greece. I presume that was the basis of the story. Because it is symbolic of the underpinning of Human Justice, and the willing or unwitting Sacrifice of an Innocent Man.

This premise is still true in Western Civilization today—that wrongfully convicting and executing an innocent man, is about the most heinous moral Evil a society can commit.

This connects directly back to the axiom: Blame, Cause, Authority, Autonomy, Justice.


If people cannot properly, accurately, realistically, "objectively" identify Causes in Nature...of any phenomenon, then they cannot also when it comes to Justice and Men. This is the basis of Authority, subsequently of Autonomy.

[Wizard22]

pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name...

-Imp

Call me Little Sunshine
Call me, call me Mephistopheles
Call me when you feel all alone
Just call me Little Sunshine

[Wizard22]

and in the 200 plus years since the Enlightenment, we still haven't
worked out this autonomy bit yet...

so what does autonomy look like in this day and age of
"big brother"

Kropotkin

To have one's own Law is to contradict society's Laws,
Are you the Judge, Jury, and Executioner?

[Wizard22]

"if you can blame anybody" doesn't make any rational sense. Obviously you can't blame just anybody if you are assigning blame.

I don't think I'm pointing my finger at anybody.

And I think you are lumping together 'blame" and 'cause' as if they are the same thing. Only in sloppy thinking and language are they the same. 'Blame' is the assignment of responsibility, cause is not.

A worn tire may be one cause of an accident but it doesn't merit blame.

I think you'd be surprised how quickly the majority of humanity is to blame spirits, angels, and demons when it comes to personal affairs of great evil and injustice. And why do people do this? Because it's a compartmentalization of a worse prospect...that one's own kin, has something wrong with them, or caused harm to a love one. Why else would people perform Exorcisms? There are many "politically incorrect" truths when it comes to matters of the greatest importance of everyday peoples' lives.

Often times, or possibly most of the time, a person would rather blame invisible entities than themselves.

[Wizard22]

But it is NOT 'hard' to so-call 'blame' "oneself". However, if one says or thinks doing so is 'hard', then maybe 'blame' is the wrong word here. See, it is ACTUALLY VERY simple and 'easy' to accept, as well as take, responsibility for what one does. Although it is also very obvious that because of the way adult human beings have been living, hitherto when this is being written, children grow up LEARNING TO BLAME "others" while also NOT LEARNING how TO ACCEPT and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY "themselves".

I think you're out-of-touch with most other people.

In my life's experience, most people will throw themselves through an obstacle course, jump mental hula-hoops, to absolve themselves of moral Responsibility and personal Accountability, when it comes to even minor transgressions against others.

I think your Autism is getting in the way here, Age.

[Age]

But it is NOT 'hard' to so-call 'blame' "oneself". However, if one says or thinks doing so is 'hard', then maybe 'blame' is the wrong word here. See, it is ACTUALLY VERY simple and 'easy' to accept, as well as take, responsibility for what one does. Although it is also very obvious that because of the way adult human beings have been living, hitherto when this is being written, children grow up LEARNING TO BLAME "others" while also NOT LEARNING how TO ACCEPT and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY "themselves".

I think you're out-of-touch with most other people.

Okay.

In my life's experience, most people will throw themselves through an obstacle course, jump mental hula-hoops, to absolve themselves of moral Responsibility and personal Accountability, when it comes to even minor transgressions against others.

I observe the EXACT SAME 'thing', so I have NO idea WHY you SAY that I am 'out of touch' here.

Anyway, and however, I SEE 'this' for ALL adult human beings. So, WHY do you only see 'this' with ONLY SOME and NOT ALL of 'you'?

Or, are you 'trying to' imply here that 'you', 'wizard22", do NOT do 'this', and ONLY "others" do.

I think your Autism is getting in the way here, Age.

Okay, but getting in the way if 'what', EXACTLY?

[Iwannaplato]

Even the Hellenic Greeks knew the inevitable conclusions of Democracy, pushed to its logical and moral limits. It's no secret. When a population expands to include more outsiders, include more outsiders, include more outsiders ... include more criminals, include more sexual deviants, etc. then eventually "Democracy" includes all the worst elements of society and rids itself of 'expulsion' or 'exclusion' completely. That is when the society inhibits disease and downfall is imminent. Like a cancer diagnosis, it's only a matter of time. Because the Body-Politic can no longer differentiate between what is good or bad within it, and could not expulse or exclude "the bad" even if it were want to be identified.

Fine, but in context what I was pointing out is that you have blame aimed at the Left. IOW you don't include the Right in your blame for the situation. You've been asking how we could assign blame. And it seems like, though it may not be, actually 'How can one possibly assign blame (accurately)?' So I pointed out where you are assigning blame since you may have your own internal answer. You opted to blame X and not Y even though, in this example both have had power and the effects of each are extremely complex. Yet, you assigned blame, quite confidently, to one faction. So, you should have access to your own reasons for how you could be confident about assigning blame.

I believe above 99% of the human specie is 'fascist' in their mentality when it comes to Blame, Justice, and Morality. In other words, people ultimately "determine" blame as dictated by the highest Authority of their body-politic/society. In other words, in Iran or Saudi Arabia, Moslem Imams, Clergy, Dictators, are the ones who ultimately dictate the blame & cause of crimes and punishment. The masses do not see themselves as Autonomous in this sense. It's really, only in Western Civilization, US Government, French Culture specifically, that there is a 'Libertine' premise of human individuality, and that human individuals are fit to gauge or decide or act based on the premise of "free-will". This premise doesn't really matter, because people again generally act according to their instinct, and Blame the long litany list of Causal candidates already mentioned. People blame God, Government, Christ, Satan, Evil, Ghosts-Goblins-Spooks, Conspiracy Theory, all manners of excuses, which transfers moral responsibility, therefore and thereby Autonomy, away from the "Individual Self".

I agree that blaming outward can be coupled to not feeling or having or accepting or taking autonomy. But again, have you not experienced people who blame themselves too much? I encounter such people a lot. Now I am someone that people have a tendency to confide in. So I may hear more that's under the mask than others do. But still for me this is not a rarity but actually rather common.

I'm not dismissing the phenomenon you are talking about. Blaming others and not taking responsibility is also very common.

Westerners don't even really believe in "Free-Will", nor do they act like it anymore. The French and American 'Libertine' Enlightenment Experiment is coming to a close in Western History—as the masses revert to their instinctual compulsion: Blame. Cause follows closely behind. But it's much worse than simply "God did it", or "Trump did it", or "Obama did it".

One of the great inspirations for US ideas about individuality and free will and not allowing others authority is via Native Americans and the experience colonists had of them, especially the Iriquois nation. Where leadership is always tentative and can disappear the moment people don't trust respect it, which makes leaders more like facilitators rather than Kings. Further there was much more freedom of expression, movement and individual choice taken for granted by adults in Native groups. Children were also give more autonomy of more a childhood. This influenced some of the founders directly and openly.

Well, it seems like you think it was Jesus. Let us know how. But he is not Human History's Whipping boy. Christians, for example, do not blame him for things (except perhaps when something horrible happens and they blame God/Jesus. But they generally regret that and doctrine goes against it. I doubt many Chinese blame Jesus for much.

I think Jesus Christ signifies this phenomenon, and so has become a symbol for cosmic justice in the 'humane' sense or context. Humanity, History, needs a stooge. The Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, comprising what, over 66% of the world population, capitalize and abuse this fact. Their moral and ethical systems rely upon it. I personally always connected the Christ analogy to the persecution of Socrates in Ancient Greece. I presume that was the basis of the story. Because it is symbolic of the underpinning of Human Justice, and the willing or unwitting Sacrifice of an Innocent Man.

Both Socrates and Jesus were in some ways whipping boys in the orginal context where they died. But human history does not view them as those who are to blame. They are not whipping boys to most humans over the years since they died. Completely the opposite with Jesus. With Socrates most have little knowledge of him, but those who do tend not to view him as the one to be whipped.

This premise is still true in Western Civilization today—that wrongfully convicting and executing an innocent man, is about the most heinous moral Evil a society can commit.

Right.

I'm not quite sure what the core idea is here.

This connects directly back to the axiom: Blame, Cause, Authority, Autonomy, Justice.


If people cannot properly, accurately, realistically, "objectively" identify Causes in Nature...of any phenomenon, then they cannot also when it comes to Justice and Men. This is the basis of Authority, subsequently of Autonomy.

People make mistakes and society in general makes mistakes (or actors in it consciously choose to aim blame, often away from where the real power and toxicity is)

[Wizard22]

I observe the EXACT SAME 'thing', so I have NO idea WHY you SAY that I am 'out of touch' here.

Because you said: "But it is NOT 'hard' to so-call 'blame' "oneself"."

So you just contradicted yourself. Apparently it *IS HARD* to blame oneself, which is why most people either cannot or will not do it. So who are you talking about...yourself? I think it takes a particular type of mentality and constitution to "blame oneself". Because people are subjectively inclined for self-preservation. This means...lying about causing negative outcomes. It means shame, guilt, hiding culpability, deception, etc.

A person needs an objective mindset, in order to suppress subjective bias with regard to Causality and Blame of oneself, with further regard to 'negative' outcomes and consequences. Most people blame others for their failures. So this is the default, in humanity, and presumably in Nature, if Mammals were even capable of it and had the IQ-level to do so. Of course Mammals would immediately blame Otherness for their own failings. It's a psychological self-defense mechanism of the Ego.

[Wizard22]

Fine, but in context what I was pointing out is that you have blame aimed at the Left. IOW you don't include the Right in your blame for the situation. You've been asking how we could assign blame. And it seems like, though it may not be, actually 'How can one possibly assign blame (accurately)?' So I pointed out where you are assigning blame since you may have your own internal answer. You opted to blame X and not Y even though, in this example both have had power and the effects of each are extremely complex. Yet, you assigned blame, quite confidently, to one faction. So, you should have access to your own reasons for how you could be confident about assigning blame.

Because Liberal-Left-Democrats are not Conservative-Right-Republicans...?

These are two separate modes of Governmental Authority. Democracy is an appeal to the mob and mob-mentality. Republicanism is fundamentally different than this. You should know, plato, The Republic. Republicanism is based on notions of Justice, Righteousness, and prevention of Tyranny. The United States was founded as a 'Constitutional Republic'.

I agree that blaming outward can be coupled to not feeling or having or accepting or taking autonomy. But again, have you not experienced people who blame themselves too much? I encounter such people a lot. Now I am someone that people have a tendency to confide in. So I may hear more that's under the mask than others do. But still for me this is not a rarity but actually rather common.

I'm not dismissing the phenomenon you are talking about. Blaming others and not taking responsibility is also very common.

Neuroticism is the mental illness by which a person, or group of persons, reactively tends to "blame oneself" even and especially when the Cause could not have originated there. So like you say, Blame can go two directions, unreasonable and unrealistically away from oneself, or toward oneself. Self-blame tends to lead to depressive states, even in some children, where for example, a child blames him/herself for their parents fighting or physical/sexual abuse within a family.

In either case, individuals are challenged to find the 'Real' cause of negative life experience.

Often times they cannot. Often times IQ and intelligence is a barrier. Some Causes in life are too complex for most people to understand, which is why most humanity give up their Autonomy to institutional authorities: State or Church.

One of the great inspirations for US ideas about individuality and free will and not allowing others authority is via Native Americans and the experience colonists had of them, especially the Iriquois nation. Where leadership is always tentative and can disappear the moment people don't trust respect it, which makes leaders more like facilitators rather than Kings. Further there was much more freedom of expression, movement and individual choice taken for granted by adults in Native groups. Children were also give more autonomy of more a childhood. This influenced some of the founders directly and openly.

I think Jesus Christ signifies this phenomenon, and so has become a symbol for cosmic justice in the 'humane' sense or context. Humanity, History, needs a stooge. The Abrahamic religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, comprising what, over 66% of the world population, capitalize and abuse this fact. Their moral and ethical systems rely upon it. I personally always connected the Christ analogy to the persecution of Socrates in Ancient Greece. I presume that was the basis of the story. Because it is symbolic of the underpinning of Human Justice, and the willing or unwitting Sacrifice of an Innocent Man.

Both Socrates and Jesus were in some ways whipping boys in the orginal context where they died. But human history does not view them as those who are to blame. They are not whipping boys to most humans over the years since they died. Completely the opposite with Jesus. With Socrates most have little knowledge of him, but those who do tend not to view him as the one to be whipped.

This premise is still true in Western Civilization today—that wrongfully convicting and executing an innocent man, is about the most heinous moral Evil a society can commit.

Right.
I'm not quite sure what the core idea is here.

It means the greater the Negative experiences of life, the greater an abstraction is required to Blame.

As Impenitent mentioned, perhaps Satan/Lucifer/Devil/Demons take the cake, also God.

I think you miss why Jesus Christ is important...He was whipped, literally. The reason he is venerated by Christians and Christianity, is because He was absolved of Sin by His Sacrifice. So you missed the moral lesson. Can people have Autonomy without the compulsion to Blame others for their failings?

This connects directly back to the axiom: Blame, Cause, Authority, Autonomy, Justice.


If people cannot properly, accurately, realistically, "objectively" identify Causes in Nature...of any phenomenon, then they cannot also when it comes to Justice and Men. This is the basis of Authority, subsequently of Autonomy.

People make mistakes and society in general makes mistakes (or actors in it consciously choose to aim blame, often away from where the real power and toxicity is)

Blame is imperfect, so Justice is imperfect.

This thread is made to identify how to 'blame' better...more 'objectively' perhaps? So consider the question again, how does a person Blame or attribute Cause correctly, more accurately, more realistically? How does a person take their biases "out of the equation", if that were even possible? That cannot be done, if a person is unaware of his own biases, right?

[Age]

for me, the key word isn't authority, but autonomy.....
if you had just said authority, I probably would have
ignored this thread...

AUTONOMY: the right or condition of self-government...
a self-governing country or region...
freedom from external control or influence; independence...

2. In Kantian moral philosophy.. the capacity of an agent to act
in accordance with objective morality rather than under the
influence of desires....

from the Greek autonomia, from autonomos "having ones' own laws'
from autos "self'' + nomos "law''

and the entire point of the Enlightenment was to free human beings
from being controlled by others... in a religious sense...
not a political sense... the object of the attacks of the Enlightenment,
was the church.. not the state... that happened a few years later...

right from the beginning of our existence, was the indoctrinations
of the family, state, religion, media, education... as to who
to obey... and different families and different groups, had different
emphasis... some emphasis the family as the primary group to
obey, some the state and others were, god/religious...
and in this, we have race, country, creed.. as being one way we
emphasis this obeying...

and in the 200 plus years since the Enlightenment, we still haven't
worked out this autonomy bit yet...

But 'we' HAVE ALREADY WORKED 'this autonomy bit' OUT EXACTLY, and FULLY.

Who the 'we' word refers to is just DIFFERENT here though.

so what does autonomy look like in this day and age of
"big brother"

Kropotkin

'Autonomy', Itself, 'looks EXACTLY like' 'It' has and does ALL OF THE TIME. 'you', human beings, in the day and age at when this is being written, however, have just NEVER SEEN and RECOGNIZED the True Autonomy.

[Age]

When I think of Blame, Morality, Justice, Agency, I consider how most people blame "The Government" or "God" or "Power" or "Nature" or "Chance", anything and everything except blaming themselves... so consider this redirection. It's easy to blame everybody else for your misfortunes. It's very difficult to blame yourself. Because blaming yourself leads to depression, over-thinking, stagnation, immobility, paralyzation, guilt, stress, panic, disease, and worse, depending on the severity of the blamed action or event. Blaming yourself is just hard; it necessarily requires and imposes a strict Ethical system for yourself. Because if *YOU* are the Cause of your life's misfortunes, or other people's misfortunes, then a great deal of effort, foresight, and choice is required from then on out about what you Ought to do, and what you Will do, in face of these Moral Responsibilities.

It's easier just to shrug off all Blame, and point your finger elsewhere. Which is what 99.999% of humanity does, throughout life.

It's called "Confirmation Bias". It's called "Selective Reasoning". You point toward yourself, when somebody needs to take credit for The Good. You point toward everybody else, when somebody needs to take credit for The Bad or Evil. So this is a very simple equation. What kind of Man, would point toward Himself when it comes to taking the entire world's Evil, and none of the Good? Can you think of a Man who would do such a thing, who would represent such an inversion of common instinct, Morals and Ethics? I think you can...think of such a Man.

What's His name?

All of these Capital Letter words.

So, assuming that we do have Autonomy, let's agree on a particular set of circumstances. A context in which some here are likely to define and to deduce conflicting assessments of what these words ought to mean. Philosophically as it were.

Let's take those definitions and deductions down to Earth and note how "for all practical purposes" they are applicable when the time comes to, say, pass legislation in a community prescribing and proscribing actual sets of behaviors.

As most know here, I'm inclined to use abortion as the context. It literally revolves around life and death, almost everyone is familiar with it, and it generates some of the most explosive newspaper headlines.

So...

Mary aborts her unborn baby/clump of cells. What of Blame, Morality, Justice, Agency, Government, God, Power, Nature, Chance, Confirmation Bias, Selective Reasoning, Bad, Evil, Man, Morals, Ethics, His then?

Or choose another context.

Or, once again, am I missing the point about "Serious Philosophy" here too?

So what if a female human body, which goes by the name of "mary", aborts ANOTHER human body within that female body?

Was there even MEANT TO BE ANY 'right' OR 'wrong' here?