Why is it so trendy to be cynical?

[Maia]

Despite all that, it works. Maybe not immediately, but often pretty soon.

And sometimes is doesn't, not even sooner rather than later on.

Perhaps you should try it.

I do not have to try knowing what it is to be nice and likeable, I do not have to try to attract these qualities and attributes that are already innate in my own being to come and live with me, or have them reciprocated back to me, I am simply nice and likeable as myself always.

Sometimes it doesn't, that's true. But overall, it still works.

It also works of you are unpleasant and cynical, in that you get those things back, too.

[Dontaskme]

Sometimes it doesn't, that's true. But overall, it still works.

It also works of you are unpleasant and cynical, in that you get those things back, too.

And sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes the complete opposite is true.


If someone who is like me, either the me who is being a cynical person or the me who is just a boring old plain and simple not really caring one way or the other, what sort of person I am.. just happens to show up in my life, then I put that down to serendipity, it's a bonus, but not a necessary asset or valuable event that could possibly change the overall wellbeing and acceptance of my own self what ever it chooses to express itself as.

I simply have no need or desire to attract anything into my life from an outside source, I make my own happiness and contenment right here and now, and do not require the approval of anything or anyone outside my own personal arena. I myself permit or allow the way I feel, and have no need or desire to have what I am reciprocated back to me.

I simply do not believe in that silly crap that you only attract what you give out.

I'm the only one who has to live and deal with me, no one else. I understand me, everything else is just noise and more noise, someone elses noise. Someone elses story. I'm either interested or not. It's none of my business anyway.

[Maia]

Sometimes it doesn't, that's true. But overall, it still works.

It also works of you are unpleasant and cynical, in that you get those things back, too.

And sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes the complete opposite is true.


If someone who is like me, either the me who is being a cynical person or the me who is just a boring old plain and simple not really caring one way or the other, what sort of person I am.. just happens to show up in my life, then I put that down to serendipity, it's a bonus, but not a necessary asset or valuable event that could possibly change the overall wellbeing and acceptance of my own self what ever it chooses to express itself as.

I simply have no need or desire to attract anything into my life from an outside source, I make my own happiness and contenment right here and now, and do not require the approval of anything or anyone outside my own personal arena. I myself permit or allow the way I feel, and have no need or desire to have what I am reciprocated back to me.

I simply do not believe in that silly crap that you only attract what you give out.

I'm the only one who has to live and deal with me, no one else. I understand me, everything else is just noise and more noise, someone elses noise. Someone elses story. I'm either interested or not. It's none of my business anyway.

From experience, I don't believe we are so powerless to change things.

[Dontaskme]

From experience, I don't believe we are so powerless to change things.

Obviously if I spill tomato sauce all down my white shirt, then I will find the power to change the dirty shirt for a clean shirt.

[Iwannaplato]

Never get too attached to anyone

So, don't give birth and keep the child. Stifle feelings of love for others or avoid those you love or might love. Judge your own desires.

My my, you really are hardwork Iwannaplato.


Feelings of like or dislike, love or hate, is pure raw emotion, which just happens to arise in all of us quite spontaneously.
None of us have any control over these emotional outbursts of feeling in any given moment of time. Not one of us can control how and when they arise, and choose to have one feeling over another in favour of one taking on more importance than the other, this is impossible to do, nor can you make stop or make preferred feeling happen, you can only have control over how you react to each and every feeling when and if it arises, which is always spontaneous, and without intention or force. Forced or intended feelings are fake and never real and raw in the immediate moment.

To welcome every emotion and feeling without rejection or fear, is the capacity to love unconditionally, the being that you naturally are, and it is to realise that only you stay with you, while other's in your life, often come and go, they are never a permanent fixture in your life, like you are to yourself. You do not at any time own anyone else, but yourself. To think you own your own children is a grave mistake, it's like admiring a butterfly that has willingly landed on your hand, and then held onto it's beauty so tight, that you've crushed it. The butterfly needs to fly, and be let go of, because it deserves it's own freedom to be, just as you do.

No one else is your property to possess or have control over, everyone is a free thinking creative unique being, to be themselves in their own right, in which ever way shape and form they choose to be, in every moment, and it's never your job to try and manipulate,influence or change or mold them into something they do not wish to be, just because others think that's what is best for them, no, only what's best for ourselves, the model we individually choose to become, is the only thing that matters to each and every one of us.

If a child we have given birth to then chooses to say I don't want to be alive, then that child has every right to feel this way, there is nothing a parent can do to make that child want to live, if it doesn't want to. Attachment is simply suffering for you, not the other person. You can love others without ever getting attached to them. That is known as unconditional love, the freedom to allow others to be their own person as they see themselves, and not what you want them to be, or see them as being.

We already must know that our children even before they are born are not always going to meet with our own expectation of them. And we should honor and respect that, even before they are born, so that when they are born, we will allow them to be who and what they are, with total unconditional love for them.

I didn't see anything about ownership of people in the quote your post. How does one measure 'attachment' to figure out the 'too.' Parents and children, and heck even friends and other family members become very attached, even if they do not consider themselves the owners of the other person.

If your quote had said 'You don't own other people. They get to feel what they feel.' I would have just nodded.

You talk about meeting our expectations. Of course some expectations are nuts and intrusive. But expectations are much like emotions. They arise. In the children in relation to their parents, friends to friends, parents in relation to children, etc. If I expect my friend not to backstab me, that's natural. If they do, then we deal with that and perhaps stop being friends, and sure sadness arises. Or we work it through and stay friends or become better friends.

My my, you really are hardwork Iwannaplato.

Well, perhaps you expected something different.

[Iwannaplato]

I'm the only one who has to live and deal with me, no one else. I understand me, everything else is just noise and more noise, someone elses noise.

Presumably you think this is true about other people also. They know themselves and have to deal with themselves.
Why then give cookie cutter advice to others?

[Sculptor]

I imagine that none of these hardened cynics even realise that they're following a cultural fashion, each trying to outdo everyone else in sneering at everything around them. Does it really make them feel any happier or fulfilled? I think we can safely say that the answer is no. It could be said, and I'm sure many do, that the times we're living in demand such an attitude, but anyone familiar with history knows that the times we're living in have always been full of corruption and stupidity.

I'm aware, of course, that Cynicism is also a branch of Classical philosophy, which bears almost no relation to the modern use of the term.

Cynicism is not the problem. At least there is a degree of useful skepticism in cynicism.
The biggest change in society seems to be the normalisation of a sort of sneering hatred, and bigotry which is continually validated by the right-wing, especially Christians who think they have a right to impose their twisted morality onto others.
This is enriched by a knee jerk rejection of science and learning and a disrespect for diversity.

[Dontaskme]

Well, perhaps you expected something different.

I have absolutely zero expectation that you could be any different than who you are, or expect you to say anything different than what you do or what you believe according to your own understanding of this discussion we are exchanging. There is nothing I can do to change that. And quite frankly do not care to change it.

I'm simply expressing a fact that is true for me here, that you are extremely hard work to talk to, it's very taxing talking to you, it's extremely annoying when you say to me you think I am expecting you to be someone you are not. That to me is a pointless comment to make to me.

How could I have expected you to be any other way than how you are, that's just a stupid dumb comment to make, and I find that kind of discourse very irritating to deal with. It makes conversation strained and hard for me.

[Dontaskme]

Presumably you think this is true about other people also. They know themselves and have to deal with themselves.
Why then give cookie cutter advice to others?

Presumably, that you think what I post here is true about other people also is a false assumption on your part. Not that I care what you think anyway, I just talk about my own personal direct experience as I see the world and reality according to my own beliefs. I post here because I'm sharing my own direct experience. I am in no way expecting other people to say.. ( Hey wow, thanks DAM for this amazing advice, yeah I too experience reality just like you do too, isn't that an amazing coincidence or what?...) geeze ffs sake what the hell is wrong with you?

I have no agenda here to advice other people that they can also know themselves or experience what is only my own personal direct experience, the way I see things.....what a stupid and idiotic thing to say to me... But then I never expected anything different from you anyway, you are in my opinion a habitual annoying character, who I find very difficult and hard to speak to, you say some really daft things, which I find annoying and irritaing to be honest. And that's just something I cannot change, nor would I ever expect you to change, because you will always be you. I simply see you how I see you, how you are coming across to me here. You probably feel the same way about me too, you only see me the way I come across to you, I can tell that by your responses to my posts.

I share only my own personal experience of how I see life and reality, in the form of pictures, quotes, or images, or youtube videos, but so bloody what, wow it's no big deal, except you seem to want to nit-pick at it like it was some kind of illegal thing to do or something.


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[Dontaskme]

Parents and children, and heck even friends and other family members become very attached, even if they do not consider themselves the owners of the other person.

Yes they do and that in my opinion, is very unwise to form these attachments, in my direct experience I have chosen to throw away all attachment to other people, my friends, my family, my pets, my children, my lover, everyone who is in direct relationship with me I have no attachment to, this is all I am saying...I am not telling other people not to form attachments to others, if that's what they want to do, then good for them, but it's not something I here will do, ever.

Do you understand? What I post here might to you seem like I am speaking for everyone, well let me just clear something about that up for you, I am not speaking for everyone ok, I am only sharing what has been my own direct experience in regards to the attachment game.

Yes, I understand that it appears by what I provide in my links, comments and images, and videos that I am speaking for everyone...BUT i AM NOT, just so you know.

In my direct experience of life....I do not possess or own any person or any thing in this world, I came with nothing, and I will die with nothing... so what the heck would I want to form attachments to things and people I do not and will never own? ffs.

Does that mean I am closed off and unloving to people, does that mean I am cold hearted and uncaring with no feelings? NO IT DOES NOT...so stop making ridonkulous assumptions. You have no idea what I am thinking and feeling, so why make assumptions, it's just not helpful to these discussions. It just makes the discussion a tedious drain to deal with.

[Iwannaplato]

Presumably, that you think what I post here is true about other people also is a false assumption on your part. Not that I care what you think anyway, I just talk about my own personal direct experience as I see the world and reality according to my own beliefs.

You posted something in the imperative, telling people in general what to do and not do.

I post here because I'm sharing my own direct experience. I am in no way expecting other people to say.. ( Hey wow, thanks DAM for this amazing advice, yeah I too experience reality just like you do too, isn't that an amazing coincidence or what?...) geeze ffs sake what the hell is wrong with you?

I haven't said anything about what you expect other people to say in response to your post.
This is what I said...

Presumably you think this is true about other people also. They know themselves and have to deal with themselves.
Why then give cookie cutter advice to others?

I asked you a question. It seemed odd what you were telling Maia in the context of you posting things telling people what to do and not do.

I have no agenda here to advice other people that they can also know themselves or experience what is only my own personal direct experience, the way I see things.....what a stupid and idiotic thing to say to me...

Huh????

You said you know yourself and have to live with yourself. I assumed you thought other people knew themselves best and also had to live with themselves. If that's false, let me know.

You posted something that is telling people what to do.

I share only my own personal experience of how I see life and reality, in the form of pictures, quotes, or images, or youtube videos, but so bloody what, wow it's no big deal, except you seem to want to nit-pick at it like it was some kind of illegal thing to do or something.

Look at your reaction to Maia suggesting thngs about life and my reaction to you posting imperative suggestions for how people should live.

What I more nitpicky? Did either of us saying anything about it being illegal?

I don't know why you interpret me so negatively, call things I have said as stupid, tell me I am an annoying person, when my response to you was both simillar to your response to Maia AND at least as polite.

[Dontaskme]

shared a whole lot of noisy noise that I have no comprehension of understanding because it's just heard as blah blah blah.

I am not resonating with you right now ok. I haven't the remotest understanding of what you are saying to me when you respond to my posts. . .goodbye.

Treat me gentle and with a slow, patient, quiet mannerism, or all I will hear is an instrusive non-coherent DIN from you... go away until you can meet me on my own level of understanding as to how to discuss life and reality according to how I see it... or else put me on ignore.

I have no interest in petty minded small talk or pedantic conversations. Be simple, honest and straight with me, so that I can understand you, or don't bother replying to me at all.

[Maia]

I imagine that none of these hardened cynics even realise that they're following a cultural fashion, each trying to outdo everyone else in sneering at everything around them. Does it really make them feel any happier or fulfilled? I think we can safely say that the answer is no. It could be said, and I'm sure many do, that the times we're living in demand such an attitude, but anyone familiar with history knows that the times we're living in have always been full of corruption and stupidity.

I'm aware, of course, that Cynicism is also a branch of Classical philosophy, which bears almost no relation to the modern use of the term.

Cynicism is not the problem. At least there is a degree of useful skepticism in cynicism.
The biggest change in society seems to be the normalisation of a sort of sneering hatred, and bigotry which is continually validated by the right-wing, especially Christians who think they have a right to impose their twisted morality onto others.
This is enriched by a knee jerk rejection of science and learning and a disrespect for diversity.

I think that sort of sneering hatred can be found on both sides of the political spectrum, and is one reason why I don't like politics.

[Wizard22]

I imagine that none of these hardened cynics even realise that they're following a cultural fashion, each trying to outdo everyone else in sneering at everything around them. Does it really make them feel any happier or fulfilled? I think we can safely say that the answer is no. It could be said, and I'm sure many do, that the times we're living in demand such an attitude, but anyone familiar with history knows that the times we're living in have always been full of corruption and stupidity.

I'm aware, of course, that Cynicism is also a branch of Classical philosophy, which bears almost no relation to the modern use of the term.

I think that Cynics are just hateful people, who have lived lives full of failures, disappointment, which turned into spite and Resentiment.

I pity them that they have no victories or great love in life, no zest of existence.

Unfortunately, Philosophy tends to attract this bunch in droves, looking for a salve for their ailment and disease.

[Maia]

I imagine that none of these hardened cynics even realise that they're following a cultural fashion, each trying to outdo everyone else in sneering at everything around them. Does it really make them feel any happier or fulfilled? I think we can safely say that the answer is no. It could be said, and I'm sure many do, that the times we're living in demand such an attitude, but anyone familiar with history knows that the times we're living in have always been full of corruption and stupidity.

I'm aware, of course, that Cynicism is also a branch of Classical philosophy, which bears almost no relation to the modern use of the term.

I think that Cynics are just hateful people, who have lived lives full of failures, disappointment, which turned into spite and Resentiment.

I pity them that they have no victories or great love in life, no zest of existence.

Unfortunately, Philosophy tends to attract this bunch in droves, looking for a salve for their ailment and disease.

It does seem to.