WE NEED MORE GUNS..

[Skepdick]

No. My child is not civil, mature, mentally ballanced, intelligent and socially functional yet.

A chip off the old block, hey?

Not all of us are as fortunate as you to have been born civil, mature, mentally ballanced, intelligent and socially functional.

Some of us needed to tame off our biological defaults.

[Wizard22]

I think foreigners are greatly underestimating how much American society has decayed in the last 100 years....

There is a 'ghettoization' effect in most US major cities. If you breakdown US homicide rates by race; it's clear who is doing the vast majority of killing. This is "politically incorrect" to confront and admit to. Furthermore, US major Pharmaceuticals are pumping kids full of who knows what anti-psychotic medications. On top of this, you have Mexican drug cartels pushing meth, heroine, and fentanyl freely across the wide-open Southern border.

Who's looking out for "the little guy"? In the US, NOBODY IS, hence why more and more Americans are freshly waking-up to the utility and practicality of the 2nd Amendment, especially when the central Government leaves you high & dry.


Maybe this is more or less true in European countries...but don't be intellectually dishonest.

Comparing country to country, is disingenuous.

[Harbal]

Our law says we are not allowed to kill people, so it kind of makes sense that the law also says we are not allowed to own equipment that is specifically designed to kill people. There's a kind of logic there, if you think about it hard enough.

No logic whatsoever.

Or at least none that you don't find inconvenient.

Your law doesn't say anything about killing people. Your law forbids you from murdering people.
So on this premise alone - I should be alowed to own a firearm on the premise that I don't use it for murder. Obviously!

But most of us don't have the gun training to be able to kill someone without murdering them.

But of course, your law does make exception - a situation in which you are in fact allowed to kill people for self-defence. It's the necessity principle.

The average citizen is too unlikely to ever find himself in that position for it to warrant the whole polulation to be allowed to have guns.

[Harbal]

I think foreigners are greatly underestimating how much American society has decayed in the last 100 years....

There is a 'ghettoization' effect in most US major cities. If you breakdown US homicide rates by race; it's clear who is doing the vast majority of killing. This is "politically incorrect" to confront and admit to. Furthermore, US major Pharmaceuticals are pumping kids full of who knows what anti-psychotic medications. On top of this, you have Mexican drug cartels pushing meth, heroine, and fentanyl freely across the wide-open Southern border.

Who's looking out for "the little guy"? In the US, NOBODY IS, hence why more and more Americans are freshly waking-up to the utility and practicality of the 2nd Amendment, especially when the central Government leaves you high & dry.


Maybe this is more or less true in European countries...but don't be intellectually dishonest.

Comparing country to country, is disingenuous.

Okay, I don't know how accurate that is, but it does chime with what I think I know about the U.S., and you are making a reasonable point with it.

I hope you're not going to make a habit of saying reasonable stuff, Wizard, it will be far less fun if you do.

[Dontaskme]

Would you supply your child with a gun to take into school each day, just in case it needs to protect itself?

No. My child is not civil, mature, mentally ballanced, intelligent and socially functional yet.

That's why he's a fucking child. And that's why he goes to school.

Yes, and that's why we also educated ourselves here in the civilised world that gun ownership is not a necessary requirement to live a normal civil, mature, mentally balanced intelligent and socially functional gun free society.

In your culture, kids not long after leaving school go on to commit mass shooting sprees, yes, their schooling and their education systems must have failed some of them. Their mentally unstable mindsets were already dug in too deep. No education was going to remotely save them from the sickness of their own mental states,inherited by the genes of their parents mental state, no doubt.

Why not just teach kids to understand that guns are perfectly safe, normal and acceptable commodities to have in ones life. I guess they left that part out of the school curriculum...oh well, I guess their schooling never made an ounce of difference in the end, the American killing sprees continue to be in the news all over the world..

[Wizard22]

Okay, I don't know how accurate that is, but it does chime with what I think I know about the U.S., and you are making a reasonable point with it.

I hope you're not going to make a habit of saying reasonable stuff, Wizard, it will be far less fun if you do.

Don't worry, I won't make a habit of it.

[Skepdick]

But most of us don't have the gun training to be able to kill someone without murdering them.

Never mind the gun training. You don't even seem to have the legal training to comprehend the difference between killing and murdering.

The average citizen is too unlikely to ever find himself in that position for it to warrant the whole polulation to be allowed to have guns.

The legal principle of necessity doesn't apply to the average citizen. it applies to all citizens. Same laws for everyone - right?

If I am legally allowed to defend my life - why am I being legally restricted on the means I am allowed to defend my life with?

[FlashDangerpants]

I think foreigners are greatly underestimating how much American society has decayed in the last 100 years....

There is a 'ghettoization' effect in most US major cities. If you breakdown US homicide rates by race; it's clear who is doing the vast majority of killing. This is "politically incorrect" to confront and admit to. Furthermore, US major Pharmaceuticals are pumping kids full of who knows what anti-psychotic medications. On top of this, you have Mexican drug cartels pushing meth, heroine, and fentanyl freely across the wide-open Southern border.

Who's looking out for "the little guy"? In the US, NOBODY IS, hence why more and more Americans are freshly waking-up to the utility and practicality of the 2nd Amendment, especially when the central Government leaves you high & dry.


Maybe this is more or less true in European countries...but don't be intellectually dishonest.

Comparing country to country, is disingenuous.

Okay, I don't know how accurate that is, but it does chime with what I think I know about the U.S., and you are making a reasonable point with it.

I hope you're not going to make a habit of saying reasonable stuff, Wizard, it will be far less fun if you do.

I think somebody who rants on the internet about Jews and homosexuals on the daily, and has now brought in black and brown people via a spurious linkage of murder to race (murder rates are higher where there is poverty not where there are brown people) and promotes gun owenership among "Anglicans" to prepare for the race war at the end of the social order isn't terribly reasonable myself.

I think it's important for him in particular not to own a gun, because he's in training to shoot up a synagogue or shopping mall.

[Skepdick]

I think somebody who rants on the internet about Jews and homosexuals on the daily, and has now brought in black and brown people via a spurious linkage of murder to race (murder rates are higher where there is poverty not where there are brown people) and promotes gun owenership among "Anglicans" to prepare for the race war at the end of the social order isn't terribly reasonable myself.

I think it's important for him in particular not to own a gun, because he's in training to shoot up a synagogue or shopping mall.

Could you describe what you think the law should look like such that it declares this particular person unfit to posess a firearm while it also passes constitutional muster?

[Harbal]

But most of us don't have the gun training to be able to kill someone without murdering them.

Never mind the gun training. You don't even seem to have the legal training to comprehend the difference between killing and murdering.

Which is all the more reason for not wanting to risk finding myself on the wrong side of what can very often be a fine line between them. I would hate to murder someone when I was only trying to kill him.

The legal principle of necessity doesn't apply to the average citizen. it applies to all citizens. Same laws for everyone - right?

If I am legally allowed to defend my life - why am I being legally restricted on the means I am allowed to defend my life with?

I'll compromise: I'm prepared to dignify this absurd comment by quoting it, but I have to draw the line at responding to it.

[Skepdick]

Yes, and that's why we also educated ourselves here in the civilised world that gun ownership is not a necessary requirement to live a normal civil, mature, mentally balanced intelligent and socially functional gun free society.

There's all sorts of unnecessary things that you don't have laws against.

Why do you have laws against gun ownership?

[commonsense]

'you' may well have absolutely NO idea here "skepdick", but I can and WILL inform 'you' that 'you' are LESS 'safe' in a society with MORE 'weapons' than 'you' are in a society with LESS 'weapons', and thus conversely 'you' are MORE 'safe' in a society with LESS 'weapons' than 'you' are in a society with MORE 'weapons'.

That's not information. That's misinformation. It's flat out false.

Societies with less weapons on the left.
Societies with more weapons on the right.

Of course, your feelings about weapons are impervious to data.

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I would not have thought that Belgium and Holland would be among the countries that have more guns (see graph). I mention this only because it’s surprising..

[Harbal]

I think foreigners are greatly underestimating how much American society has decayed in the last 100 years....

There is a 'ghettoization' effect in most US major cities. If you breakdown US homicide rates by race; it's clear who is doing the vast majority of killing. This is "politically incorrect" to confront and admit to. Furthermore, US major Pharmaceuticals are pumping kids full of who knows what anti-psychotic medications. On top of this, you have Mexican drug cartels pushing meth, heroine, and fentanyl freely across the wide-open Southern border.

Who's looking out for "the little guy"? In the US, NOBODY IS, hence why more and more Americans are freshly waking-up to the utility and practicality of the 2nd Amendment, especially when the central Government leaves you high & dry.


Maybe this is more or less true in European countries...but don't be intellectually dishonest.

Comparing country to country, is disingenuous.

Okay, I don't know how accurate that is, but it does chime with what I think I know about the U.S., and you are making a reasonable point with it.

I hope you're not going to make a habit of saying reasonable stuff, Wizard, it will be far less fun if you do.

I think somebody who rants on the internet about Jews and homosexuals on the daily, and has now brought in black and brown people via a spurious linkage of murder to race (murder rates are higher where there is poverty not where there are brown people) and promotes gun owenership among "Anglicans" to prepare for the race war at the end of the social order isn't terribly reasonable myself.

I think it's important for him in particular not to own a gun, because he's in training to shoot up a synagogue or shopping mall.

Yes, I'm sure he saw it as an opportunity to express more of his prejudices, but I was responding to it in a general sense, without concentrating on the specifics. I mean, if the crime is there, that is the point, regardless of who is responsible for it.

[Skepdick]

Which is all the more reason for not wanting to risk finding myself on the wrong side of what can very often be a fine line between them. I would hate to murder someone when I was only trying to kill him.

So would it be fair to say that it's your ignorance of the law which makes you dislike firearms?

The legal principle of necessity doesn't apply to the average citizen. it applies to all citizens. Same laws for everyone - right?

If I am legally allowed to defend my life - why am I being legally restricted on the means I am allowed to defend my life with?

I'll compromise: I'm prepared to dignify this absurd comment by quoting it, but I have to draw the line at responding to it.

The least you can do is quit pretending you give a shit about my dignity.

You can't even tell me why I am not allowed to defend my constitutional right to life and dignity with a gun.

[commonsense]

So protecting your loved ones with claws and teeth is love, but protecting your loved ones with guns isn't?

Now don't go putting word in my mouth again. I never implied the act of self-defence is my idea of love.

It's not what I would call love if I had to fight another person to the death, just so I would survive.

My definition of love is to not fear other people to the point that I have to kill them to ensure my own survival in the first place, surely if we are going to fear each other then that fear can only incite more hatred, not love. Hating on others is not my kind of love...but you are welcome to have your own version of love of course, that's your prerogative..

So you wouldn't defend those whom you love if other people were trying to harm them? Even if protecting your loved ones requires the sad and unfortunate taking of another person's life?

Speaking of defense, war—now that’s a place where everyone has a gun .