Atheism

[vegetariantaxidermy]

If there were a god there would be no theists.

Exactly. I knew there was a mathematical truth in there somewhere

[Gary Childress]

I'm just a lunatic, I guess.

I don't know what's going on with this preoccupation you have with God, but generally speaking, you are far too rational to be a lunatic. Perhaps that's your problem; you are a sane man forced to live in a world of lunatics. I often feel the same myself when I visit this forum.

Thank you, Harbal. I appreciate your vote of confidence.

[Alexis Jacobi]

There, that's the last blood from my biography I'll shed for now. I'm probably no better than you are. Time to watch our kids play and make sure they don't do too much harm in the process.

Peace?

War, Gary, just war.

…that's the last blood from my biography I'll shed for now.

For now? What, you have more planned?!?

[Gary Childress]

There, that's the last blood from my biography I'll shed for now. I'm probably no better than you are. Time to watch our kids play and make sure they don't do too much harm in the process.

Peace?

War, Gary, just war.

…that's the last blood from my biography I'll shed for now.

For now? What, you have more planned?!?

You need to learn when to give it a rest. Just my fallible mortal opinion, though, I suppose.

[Gary Childress]

So I take it being "no better than" me is not your wish? Your wish instead is to be better than me? Is that it?

If that's what you want, then if I were you, I'd stop engaging in rational conversation with my lunatic self. Obviously, I'm off my rocker and need to prostrate myself before you. I admit, I have no idea who you are, since you share nothing openly about your biography. But since you seem to know better than I do what is going on in the world and what is justice and what isn't, then I'll assume you're some big shot "in the know" and your need to dominate is somehow moral and justified. I mean, why would someone wish to declare war on another who offered "peace" if it wasn't justified that they dominate? Otherwise, it would seem pretty fucking stupid and assholish on the part of the one declaring war, wouldn't it?

[attofishpi]

If there were a god there would be no theists.

Exactly. I knew there was a mathematical truth in there somewhere

Me no comprehende! How'd you work that one out?

[Gary Childress]

If there were a god there would be no theists.

Exactly. I knew there was a mathematical truth in there somewhere

Me no comprehende! How'd you work that one out?

If (not the case) there were a god, then (not the case) there would be theists, essentially = If there were no God, there would be no (not the case) theists.

It basically foils the attempt on the part of a theist to conclusively prove that God just has to exist. Or else, if it's not an attempt to prove God's existence, then it proves virtually nothing significantly important other than the fact that we can make a choice to either believe or not believe. WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING! Apparently, I can't either. I'll just have to either remain "mentally ill" until the end of my life and hope for a better chance at happiness in an afterlife or else drive myself insane trying to court a woman who is "too good" for me or "out of my league" according to AJ and other "manly men".

If you want God, then it's a matter of faith, not proof. If you want proof, then it's not a matter of faith. You MUST make a decision whether you want to have faith in the unprovable vs. whether you want proof of whether or not to believe in something you can't prove until it actually happens. If you want to believe in something you can't prove, then do it. You'll have to hope that everything rights itself in an afterlife. If you want only to believe in what you can prove, then do it. You'll have to assume that all there is only this life in which to have the right thing happen.

AJ, are you listening? What's your choice, champ? Do you want me to choose "mental illness" or do you want to choose it for yourself? "War". Is that the only word that resonates with you? Fucking quoting the "Godfather"? Are you going to make me an offer I "can't refuse"? Go ahead "genius". You're the one charging $199.00 a pop to teach people how to think like you. Are you worth it? Go for it if it's what you want. What you want is all that counts in this world.

However, if you want to claim mental illness, AJ, then you're welcome to go on disability and that will help you pay bills so that you can afford to live and stay off the street. Maybe your parents will take you in and you can at least live under whatever conditions they worked hard to earn for themselves. If you don't want to claim the prize "mental illness", then shut the fuck up and eat shit, pig!

[Gary Childress]

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There, AJ., above is my ultimate philosophy, my magnum opus for the dwellers of this world. Make of it what you want. I don't care anymore. Just get me out of here, God! Let me die painlessly in my sleep without seeing it coming. I don't care. This world is a prison.

[attofishpi]

Exactly. I knew there was a mathematical truth in there somewhere

Me no comprehende! How'd you work that one out?

If (not the case) there were a god, then (not the case) there would be theists, essentially = If there were no God, there would be no (not the case) theists.

It basically foils the attempt on the part of a theist to conclusively prove that God just has to exist. Or else, if it's not an attempt to prove God's existence, then it proves virtually nothing significantly important other than the fact that we can make a choice to either believe or not believe. WE CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING! Apparently, I can't either. I'll just have to either remain "mentally ill" until the end of my life and hope for a better chance at happiness in an afterlife or else drive myself insane trying to court a woman who is "too good" for me or "out of my league" according to AJ and other "manly men".

Wot?

...and what's this foil shite?

The point that Dubious and Veg are attempting to make rational, is their belief that:- IF God exists...there would be no theists.

Fucking ridiculous comprehension my friend.

[Alexis Jacobi]

I admit, I have no idea who you are, since you share nothing openly about your biography.

Long have I waited! How often I’ve bit my tongue and forced myself to silence!

The time has come. THE TIME HAS COME.

My name, my TRUE name, is Grigorio Alepou, a name which holds keys and mysteries for those with wily discriminating intelligence.

::: bowing :::

I am at your service ….

Patience my child, patience. All will be revealed … soon.

[attofishpi]

I admit, I have no idea who you are, since you share nothing openly about your biography.

Long have I waited! How often I’ve bit my tongue and forced myself to silence!

The time has come. THE TIME HAS COME.

My name, my TRUE name, is Grigorio Alepou, a name which holds keys and mysteries for those with wily discriminating intelligence.

::: bowing :::

I am at your service ….

Patience my child, patience. All will be revealed … soon.

..wot? That you are a pretentious twat that most of us had already fathomed out from your shallow thoughts?

[Gary Childress]

I admit, I have no idea who you are, since you share nothing openly about your biography.

Long have I waited! How often I’ve bit my tongue and forced myself to silence!

The time has come. THE TIME HAS COME.

My name, my TRUE name, is Grigorio Alepou, a name which holds keys and mysteries for those with wily discriminating intelligence.

::: bowing :::

I am at your service ….

Patience my child, patience. All will be revealed … soon.

..wot? That you are a pretentious twat that most of us had already fathomed out from your shallow thoughts?

Welcome to the forum, Gregorio.

He's not a "pretentious twat", Atto. He's a human being, like any of the rest of us. He's entitled to make mistakes or be deluded or whatever we fallible human beings are or do that makes us do the wrong things when we thought for sure we were doing the right things. Maybe he does things right at times too, perhaps unknowingly or perhaps knowingly. One thing is for sure, I don't know what are the right or wrong things to do, so I couldn't grade his performance nor his life one way or the other. If anyone here is cock sure they know what ought to be done, then do whatever you would approve of being done to yourself if you were in the same situation as he is in because, if you are anything like me, then you're in the same situation he is in.

But, IC is right. Without a benevolent God, then we're living by the seat of our pants, on the edge of a precipice where there are no guarantees that we'll make it. And things are getting scarier and scarier. Who wants to live without a true, genuine divine "God" of the universe to help us when we are in the worst danger that we can so far think of? Yet no one present here that I am aware of can fill that role, the role of God. So where does that leave any of us? Do we pray outward to God for guidance or do we somehow figure out what is the right thing for us to do?

[Harbal]

He's not a "pretentious twat", Atto. He's a human being,

With a little practice, it isn't difficult to be both, and he seems to have put in the practice.

[Veritas Aequitas]

My hunch is that you're not. But I could be wrong too. I'll leave it to you to either continue with your task of "improving" me or else figure out your own dignified way of stepping down and disengaging.

You are very right. I am an emissary from god, life and the Universe. Your pathetic laments will now be crushed under the cruel wheels of the heartless world. Whimpering and other rehearsals will not be tolerated!

I am become wickedness …..

I think Oppenheimer might have already beaten you to something along the lines of that finish. Can you think of something more original? How about kicking back and relaxing in retirement like me? Let the less battered and bruised have whatever fun until their turn comes or they run out of energy and need to start taking better care of themselves. Look on the bright side, very great minds in the past have come to the same conclusion that their life's work was little more than fodder--possibly for the next generation to feed off of. Not too much wrong with that, I suppose.

"The end of my labors has come. All that I have written appears to be as so much straw after the things that have been revealed to me." -- Thomas Aquinas

I'm sure you're not evil (or "wicked" or whatever). You're probably just human like the rest of us. I used to give some a hard time when I was younger also. I wasn't always very nice to everyone either. When I came to realize fully what I was doing, I more or less quit doing that. I still have to catch myself when I'm going too far with something. There, that's the last blood from my biography I'll shed for now. I'm probably no better than you are. Time to watch our kids play and make sure they don't do too much harm in the process.

Peace?

Theism is a default of the human species, that is why appx. 90% of humans are theists.
God is an illusory idea but it is a very useful illusion.
This is the same as the useful imaginations [not real] as in sexual fantasies.
Children also rely on imaginary friends as a useful things to play with.

If your life is a struggle and you do not have the self-ability to deal with them, the most optimal solution is to believe in a God who can possibly and hopefully help where you can unload all your burdens to to resolve all your problems.

If one find a personal God [theism] not suitable to one's personality then believing in a reasoned-God as in Deism may work.

Whatever good God [not evil Allah] one believes in, what is critical is one should not impose one's theism or deism onto others. It should be private and personal.

[Harbal]

Whatever good God [not evil Allah] one believes in, what is critical is one should not impose one's theism or deism onto others. It should be private and personal.

Unless they pick Allah, of course.