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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:09 am All I know about Christianity can be summed up by the following: All I want is for God to grant me a peaceful death in my sleep. The sooner, the better. I can't take his world anymore. Just get it over with.
You are not alone with these thoughts.


Malcontents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvuH4VpBsU Metaphysical Exile.

In this essay, I discuss how almost everyone is dissatisfied with the world of becoming. Religious optimists, religious ascetics, unbelievers who create their own meaning, unbelievers who reject the illusion and existence: they all started their careers realizing that there was something wrong or strange with reality.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:14 am And I think when God tested Abraham on whether or not he would sacrifice his son, Abraham should have said, "no" to God. But what do I know about anything???
But in the story, Abraham did not know that God was capable of evolving from the old demander of human sacrifice into a being of mercy and justice. God demonstrated to Abraham that this is what God had evolved into.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:28 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:09 am All I know about Christianity can be summed up by the following: All I want is for God to grant me a peaceful death in my sleep. The sooner, the better. I can't take his world anymore. Just get it over with.
You are not alone with these thoughts.


Malcontents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvuH4VpBsU Metaphysical Exile.

In this essay, I discuss how almost everyone is dissatisfied with the world of becoming. Religious optimists, religious ascetics, unbelievers who create their own meaning, unbelievers who reject the illusion and existence: they all started their careers realizing that there was something wrong or strange with reality.
I just want my life to end soon. Happiness doesn't seem to be possible now, not after all the bitterness that's been cultivated in me. I'm no good to anyone anymore.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:02 pm I just want my life to end soon. Happiness doesn't seem to be possible now, not after all the bitterness that's been cultivated in me. I'm no good to anyone anymore.
I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling this way. It's important to remember that no matter how difficult life may seem right now, things can and often do get better. You don't have to face these challenges alone.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, it might be helpful to talk to someone you trust, such as a friend or family member, a therapist, or a hotline. These resources can provide you with support and help you work through the emotions you're experiencing.

It's also important to take care of yourself. This can include things like getting enough rest, eating well, exercising, and doing activities that bring you joy or relaxation. Taking small steps towards self-care can have a positive impact on your overall wellbeing.

Lastly, remember that seeking help is a sign of strength, not weakness. Asking for help when you need it is a brave and important step towards healing and recovery.
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BigMike wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:02 pm I just want my life to end soon. Happiness doesn't seem to be possible now, not after all the bitterness that's been cultivated in me. I'm no good to anyone anymore.
I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling this way. It's important to remember that no matter how difficult life may seem right now, things can and often do get better. You don't have to face these challenges alone.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, it might be helpful to talk to someone you trust, such as a friend or family member, a therapist, or a hotline. These resources can provide you with support and help you work through the emotions you're experiencing.

It's also important to take care of yourself. This can include things like getting enough rest, eating well, exercising, and doing activities that bring you joy or relaxation. Taking small steps towards self-care can have a positive impact on your overall wellbeing.

Lastly, remember that seeking help is a sign of strength, not weakness. Asking for help when you need it is a brave and important step towards healing and recovery.
I appreciate the good advice. Thank you.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:02 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 10:28 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:09 am All I know about Christianity can be summed up by the following: All I want is for God to grant me a peaceful death in my sleep. The sooner, the better. I can't take his world anymore. Just get it over with.
You are not alone with these thoughts.


Malcontents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEvuH4VpBsU Metaphysical Exile.

In this essay, I discuss how almost everyone is dissatisfied with the world of becoming. Religious optimists, religious ascetics, unbelievers who create their own meaning, unbelievers who reject the illusion and existence: they all started their careers realizing that there was something wrong or strange with reality.
I just want my life to end soon. Happiness doesn't seem to be possible now, not after all the bitterness that's been cultivated in me. I'm no good to anyone anymore.

"Everyone is dissatisfied" is how you learn. You have an idea a thesis. Then you find the idea does not work very well(antithesis). Then you find or invent a new idea (synthesis). And so the process begins all over again.

No wonder you are depressed if you hoped to find a final solution!

You don't need to be good for anyone. Somewhere along your lifeline they have told you you have to be some use .
They were lying. You have the right to be as bitter as you want.
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Belinda wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:25 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:14 am And I think when God tested Abraham on whether or not he would sacrifice his son, Abraham should have said, "no" to God. But what do I know about anything???
But in the story, Abraham did not know that God was capable of evolving from the old demander of human sacrifice into a being of mercy and justice. God demonstrated to Abraham that this is what God had evolved into.
I don't know. Sounds more like a good way to really mess up someone's head to me. I'd think if my father told me one day that he wanted me to kill my (hypothetical) son it'd be pretty unnerving. A guy could come unglued over something like that. If God were human, he would have been committed to an asylum. Just saying.

There must surely have been a better way to save humanity than trying to universalize someone's tribal god. Looking at humanity's historical record that followed, it isn't pretty by any stretch of the imagination. The Axial age was one big failure at attempted human pacification.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:36 pm
BigMike wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:02 pm I just want my life to end soon. Happiness doesn't seem to be possible now, not after all the bitterness that's been cultivated in me. I'm no good to anyone anymore.
I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling this way. It's important to remember that no matter how difficult life may seem right now, things can and often do get better. You don't have to face these challenges alone.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, it might be helpful to talk to someone you trust, such as a friend or family member, a therapist, or a hotline. These resources can provide you with support and help you work through the emotions you're experiencing.

It's also important to take care of yourself. This can include things like getting enough rest, eating well, exercising, and doing activities that bring you joy or relaxation. Taking small steps towards self-care can have a positive impact on your overall wellbeing.

Lastly, remember that seeking help is a sign of strength, not weakness. Asking for help when you need it is a brave and important step towards healing and recovery.
I appreciate the good advice. Thank you.
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. :D
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:42 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:36 pm
BigMike wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:48 pm
I'm sorry to hear that you're feeling this way. It's important to remember that no matter how difficult life may seem right now, things can and often do get better. You don't have to face these challenges alone.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, it might be helpful to talk to someone you trust, such as a friend or family member, a therapist, or a hotline. These resources can provide you with support and help you work through the emotions you're experiencing.

It's also important to take care of yourself. This can include things like getting enough rest, eating well, exercising, and doing activities that bring you joy or relaxation. Taking small steps towards self-care can have a positive impact on your overall wellbeing.

Lastly, remember that seeking help is a sign of strength, not weakness. Asking for help when you need it is a brave and important step towards healing and recovery.
I appreciate the good advice. Thank you.
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. :D
Yes. I think so.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:54 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:42 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:36 pm

I appreciate the good advice. Thank you.
Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm. :D
Yes. I think so.
Everything is more beautiful because we're doomed. You will never be lovelier than you are now, and we will never be here again.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:56 pm You will never be lovelier than you are now,
Not sure if that's a curse or if you need your beerfocals adjusted. but, hey, if you're anywhere near Orlando, Florida, USA and want to see a classical music concert coming up March 4, let me know.
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“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
~ Steven Weinberg

Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.


The effort to understand the universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the level of farce, and gives it some of the grace of tragedy.

The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless.

I think the world needs to wake up from its long nightmare of religious belief; and anything that we scientists can do to weaken the hold of religion should be done, and may in fact be our greatest contribution to civilization.


I suppose that this is a rather melancholy view of human life, but melancholy is one of the distinctive creations of our species, and not without its own consolations.
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:18 pm..and to think you could have nailed Skeppy's wife and possibly make the final checkmate move (his Mum)
Have you seen his output? Over 10 thousand posts since June 2019. Anyone that absorbed by this place doesn't have a wife.
attofishpi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:30 pmI don't think anyone knows what you blokes are arguing about
Nor does Skepdick.
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tillingborn wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:49 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:18 pm..and to think you could have nailed Skeppy's wife and possibly make the final checkmate move (his Mum)
Have you seen his output? Over 10 thousand posts since June 2019. Anyone that absorbed by this place doesn't have a wife.
attofishpi wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:30 pmI don't think anyone knows what you blokes are arguing about
Nor does Skepdick.
Well, I've told Skeppy before, I'm a bit of a fan of his!

As far as USAdians (I think he is) that post mega amounts, ya, I tend to see rationale to him (most of the time) rather than stupid waffling garbage.

But. hey, I'm not taking sides. :)
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:25 pm
Belinda wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:25 am
Gary Childress wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 8:14 am And I think when God tested Abraham on whether or not he would sacrifice his son, Abraham should have said, "no" to God. But what do I know about anything???
But in the story, Abraham did not know that God was capable of evolving from the old demander of human sacrifice into a being of mercy and justice. God demonstrated to Abraham that this is what God had evolved into.
I don't know. Sounds more like a good way to really mess up someone's head to me. I'd think if my father told me one day that he wanted me to kill my (hypothetical) son it'd be pretty unnerving. A guy could come unglued over something like that. If God were human, he would have been committed to an asylum. Just saying.

There must surely have been a better way to save humanity than trying to universalize someone's tribal god. Looking at humanity's historical record that followed, it isn't pretty by any stretch of the imagination. The Axial age was one big failure at attempted human pacification.
So your still prefer your old interpretation of the Abraham and Isaac story.

Do you agree that the God idea has a history? Do you understand that sometimes ideas are explained by myth?

In the Abraham Isaac myth God shows Abe that the old tribal tradition of human sacrifice is the status quo and that God has changed the status quo . The theme is a very simple one, and the story is part of the canon because it's meant to show how the God of Abe has become a God of mercy and justice.

You don't understand how myth works. I am sorry about that so I will try to explain that myth is a story that superficially takes place in time but is intended to explain a situation that is not temporal, in this case how the God of Abe and Isaac is not to be mindlessly obeyed but is to be considered merciful and just.
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