Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:54 pm
If Paul can make it, we should all be pretty good. I see little reason to think otherwise.
Paul called himself "the chief of sinnners." (1 Tim. 1:15) Hyperbole? Maybe...but he had presided over the murder of Stephen and had spearheaded the persecution of Christians. So you're comparing yourself with somebody who had a lot to answer for...fortunately, one who also had the right answer for it.
Congratulations on not being "the chief" of a bad bunch, then. But lower membership in that club won't get you into Heaven. And the reason to "think otherwise" is no less than the explicit words of Jesus Christ Himself. I'd say that's a good reason.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:54 pm
If Paul can make it, we should all be pretty good. I see little reason to think otherwise.
Paul called himself "the chief of sinnners." (1 Tim. 1:15) Hyperbole? Maybe...but he had presided over the murder of Stephen and had spearheaded the persecution of Christians. So you're comparing yourself with somebody who had a lot to answer for...fortunately, one who also had the right answer for it.
Congratulations on not being "the chief" of a bad bunch, then. But lower membership in that club won't get you into Heaven. And the reason to "think otherwise" is no less than the explicit words of Jesus Christ Himself. I'd say that's a good reason.
Sorry, IC. If I'm going to hell and Paul didn't, that would be pretty sad on the part of God.
Don't you? It seems to me that you do. But I'll be corrected on that, if it's not true.
However, if you're not anxious, then what's your problem with people telling you what they believe, and you don't?
I should ask the same of you, then. Why are you anxious? You seem to have a problem with what I believe. According to your own criteria you must be anxious. What are you anxious about?
Well, if I'm at all anxious, it would be lest you should miss what is best for you. That's a very real possibility, it would seem, based on what you claim about yourself. But I'm not anxious, so much as I'm trying to be careful to explain to you what I genuinely think you need to know in order to have a better future, both here and after. I'm taking some care for that, to be sure, and trying to get my words truthful. But I'm not anxious.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:56 pm
Don't you? It seems to me that you do. But I'll be corrected on that, if it's not true.
However, if you're not anxious, then what's your problem with people telling you what they believe, and you don't?
I should ask the same of you, then. Why are you anxious? You seem to have a problem with what I believe. According to your own criteria you must be anxious. What are you anxious about?
Well, if I'm at all anxious, it would be lest you should miss what is best for you. That's a very real possibility, it would seem, based on what you claim about yourself. But I'm not anxious, so much as I'm trying to be careful to explain to you what I genuinely think you need to know in order to have a better future, both here and after. I'm taking some care for that, to be sure, and trying to get my words truthful. But I'm not anxious.
Neither am I! I've been trying to get that through your thick skull!
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:54 pm
If Paul can make it, we should all be pretty good. I see little reason to think otherwise.
Paul called himself "the chief of sinnners." (1 Tim. 1:15) Hyperbole? Maybe...but he had presided over the murder of Stephen and had spearheaded the persecution of Christians. So you're comparing yourself with somebody who had a lot to answer for...fortunately, one who also had the right answer for it.
Congratulations on not being "the chief" of a bad bunch, then. But lower membership in that club won't get you into Heaven. And the reason to "think otherwise" is no less than the explicit words of Jesus Christ Himself. I'd say that's a good reason.
Sorry, IC. If I'm going to hell and Paul didn't, that would be pretty sad on the part of God.
Paul abandoned his sin, asked and received forgiveness, entered into relationship with God, and lived a totally transformed life, as a consequence.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:05 pm
Paul called himself "the chief of sinnners." (1 Tim. 1:15) Hyperbole? Maybe...but he had presided over the murder of Stephen and had spearheaded the persecution of Christians. So you're comparing yourself with somebody who had a lot to answer for...fortunately, one who also had the right answer for it.
Congratulations on not being "the chief" of a bad bunch, then. But lower membership in that club won't get you into Heaven. And the reason to "think otherwise" is no less than the explicit words of Jesus Christ Himself. I'd say that's a good reason.
Sorry, IC. If I'm going to hell and Paul didn't, that would be pretty sad on the part of God.
Paul abandoned his sin, asked and received forgiveness, entered into relationship with God, and lived a totally transformed life, as a consequence.
Have you done that?
Apparently, God likes to surround himself with murderers. No thanks. You're holy babble is full of shit. Enjoy heaven in that case.
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:59 pm
I should ask the same of you, then. Why are you anxious? You seem to have a problem with what I believe. According to your own criteria you must be anxious. What are you anxious about?
Well, if I'm at all anxious, it would be lest you should miss what is best for you. That's a very real possibility, it would seem, based on what you claim about yourself. But I'm not anxious, so much as I'm trying to be careful to explain to you what I genuinely think you need to know in order to have a better future, both here and after. I'm taking some care for that, to be sure, and trying to get my words truthful. But I'm not anxious.
Neither am I! I've been trying to get that through your thick skull!
Okay. If you say so.
You're at peace, with no relationship to God. You prefer your temporal pleasures now, and are not anxious about the future. You're making your choice, and you're content to accept the consequences of that. This is what you wish me to understand. My "thick skull" accepts that.
Well, that would be a position. If you really feel that way, I have no more I can say. The one thing I would never dream of doing is violating your genuine choice. Even God won't do that.
But be forewarned: it doesn't end the results of the choice, though.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm
But be forewarned: it doesn't end the results of the choice, though.
I'm fine what that. I haven't done anything that I feel I haven't atoned for. Just be sure to take that advice yourself and don't go around warning me about anything. You're not my judge, IC. And the bible is not your proxy vehicle for judging others. (Nor trying to intimidate others)
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm
But be forewarned: it doesn't end the results of the choice, though.
I'm fine what that. I haven't done anything that I feel I haven't atoned for. Just be sure to take that advice yourself and don't go around warning me about anything. You're not my judge, IC. And the bible is not your proxy vehicle for judging others. (Nor trying to intimidate others)
The Word of God judges everybody, Gary...me, you, and everybody else. And I'll continue to point that out to people, because it's the truth, and they need to know it.
The alternative is literally to say, "Everybody else can go to Hell." So I won't be doing that, as you'll understand.
You've got IC issuing circular threats that anyone who doesn't believe in god doesn't believe will come true... And not much else going on here except some mild nazi bullshit.
Is it not time to take this bullshit to the fucking religion sub where it should have been dumped from the start?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm
But be forewarned: it doesn't end the results of the choice, though.
I'm fine what that. I haven't done anything that I feel I haven't atoned for. Just be sure to take that advice yourself and don't go around warning me about anything. You're not my judge, IC. And the bible is not your proxy vehicle for judging others. (Nor trying to intimidate others)
The Word of God judges everybody, Gary...me, you, and everybody else. And I'll continue to point that out to people, because it's the truth, and they need to know it.
The alternative is literally to say, "Everybody else can go to Hell." So I won't be doing that, as you'll understand.
Fair enough. I don't understand it in any other context than as a selfish desire to manipulate others or prey on their uncertainties but I suppose it's to be expected.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:38 pm
You've got IC issuing circular threats that anyone who doesn't believe in god doesn't believe will come true... And not much else going on here except some mild nazi bullshit.
Is it not time to take this bullshit to the fucking religion sub where it should have been dumped from the start?
I've been thinking the same thing. It's like a giant game of Whack-a-Mole... and the mole has I.C.'s face. It is his platform... as broken down and discredited as it is... yet his imagination is strong enough for him to continue to stand upon it.
This thread has evolved to serve mainly as entertainment... since the premise of it has been systematically discredited through the distorted methods of its greatest champion. Seems like it should be locked/archived, and we might move on to a broader-thinking thread like: The Role or Purpose of Religions.
I'm fine what that. I haven't done anything that I feel I haven't atoned for. Just be sure to take that advice yourself and don't go around warning me about anything. You're not my judge, IC. And the bible is not your proxy vehicle for judging others. (Nor trying to intimidate others)
The Word of God judges everybody, Gary...me, you, and everybody else. And I'll continue to point that out to people, because it's the truth, and they need to know it.
The alternative is literally to say, "Everybody else can go to Hell." So I won't be doing that, as you'll understand.
Fair enough. I don't understand it in any other context than as a selfish desire to manipulate others or prey on their uncertainties but I suppose it's to be expected.
Well, I suppose one always tends to project from what one imagines one would be doing if one did what others are doing, and assume that that is, in fact, what they are also thinking. That might be one reason for the attractiveness of that supposition. But that's only a guess.
phyllo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:38 pm
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” - Marcus Aurelius
The classic "general description philosophical contraption".
abortion
guns
capitalism
socialism
animal rights
capital punishment
gender roles
homosexuality
the role of government
social and economic justice
race
separation of church and state
cancel culture
defund the police
student loan debt
climate change
minimum wage
drug policy
health care rights
And on and on and on...
The "good life"? Virtuous behavior? Justice? The "noble life"?
With God[s]? Without God[s]?
Okay, let's focus in on a particular set of circumstances -- Christians and non-Christians alike -- and explore that.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:16 pm
You're at peace, with no relationship to God. You prefer your temporal pleasures now, and are not anxious about the future. You're making your choice, and you're content to accept the consequences of that. This is what you wish me to understand. My "thick skull" accepts that.
Well, that would be a position. If you really feel that way, I have no more I can say. The one thing I would never dream of doing is violating your genuine choice. Even God won't do that.
But be forewarned: it doesn't end the results of the choice, though.
Whoa, wait a minute.
Is IC now telling us that if someone is at peace in not believing in the Christian God, the Christian God is okay with that? That this God would never violate that genuine choice?
But what of those Christians who argue just the opposite? That, if someone does not accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior then, come the Second Coming, they will be "left behind"? Damned.
And how does he know for sure what God will do here? Is that in the videos?
After all, in the next breath, is not IC warning those of the "results" of not making the right choice?
