Philosophy

[Age]

So are you saying here that "wizard22" BELIEVES EVERY one else is NOT free and ARE SLAVES, but "wizard22" BELIEVES that 'itself' is the only one that is FREE?

You're using the strawman fallacy frequently now. You should quote me, before making accusations.

I DID. I was THEN TOLD that 'that' is EXACTLY what 'you' BELIEVE.

If you do NOT BELIEVE this, then TELL 'us' what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that 'you' DO BELIEVE here.

Or, are 'you' TOO AFRAID to do that?

All you're doing now is helping my argument as to the necessity of discipline. Take a look at your own grammar, highly undisciplined. It speaks of something much deeper.

I have ALREADY INFORMED the readers, and posters, here that i am the LEAST EDUCATED one here.

And TALK ABOUT throwing out a RED HERRING here. Now, BACK TO THE QUESTION I POSED TO YOU.

You wrote:

That helps wake rare souls up to their condition; I am not under the delusion though that the masses can or want to wake up. Few can handle, or would even want to, the weight of responsibility that freedom brings. The freer you are, the more you are forced to understand the conditions of that freedom. "With great power, comes great responsibility".

I said, and asked:

'you' say this like 'you' are Truly FREE "wizard22". Is this what 'you' BELIEVE is true?

If 'you' NEVER provide CLARITY, then do NOT ACCUSE me of making a strawman fallacy, ESPECIALLY when I was responding to "another" who had INFORMED 'me' ABOUT 'you', and in which they made it VERY CLEAR what 'you' BELIEVE.

AND, I ACTUALLY QUOTED 'you', WHEN I asked 'you' to CLARIFY SOME 'thing'. SO, if you are NOT going to CLARIFY, AFTER I quoted 'you', then do NOT ACCUSE 'me' of NOT quoting 'you' BEFORE I make accusations.

Also, BECAUSE 'you' would NOT answer the question AND CLARIFY, I posed the question above, which you have quoted me here, TO ANOTHER one and NOT 'you'. Understood.

Either have the DECENCY to respond to the ACTUAL QUESTION/S I pose to 'you', or if 'you' do NOT, then I WILL SEEK CLARITY from "others" who are WILLING to RESPOND and ANSWER the ACTUAL QUESTION/S I pose.

HIDING, by NOT responding, and then ACCUSING me of NOT quoting 'you' and making accusations could be seen as a PRIME example of 'strawmaning', itself.

So, in just three sentences 'you' have managed to make a 'strawman fallacy' and throw a 'red herring' in as well.

[Age]

One can even SEE a THREAT, from 'you', of MURDERING and KILLING 'those' that 'you' OBVIOUSLY absolutely HATE and DO NOT want ALIVE and living around 'you'.

So you're implying that if a rapist assaulted your daughter, that you would not defend her?

Interesting...

LOL 'your' last word here PROVES just how STUPID 'your' ASSUMPTIONS ARE, and how Wrong they ARE as well.

Defending a child from being raped is a COMPLETELY and UTTERLY DIFFERENT scenario from 'you' HATING and WANTING to KILL a human being just because 'it' wants to wear a dress, when 'you' BELIEVE that they SHOULD NOT be wearing dresses.

ONLY a Truly DEGENERATE could TWIST and DISTORT 'things' around as MUCH as 'you' are 'TRYING TO' DO here in order to DEFLECT AWAY from just HOW Wrong 'you' REALLY ARE being here.

[Belinda]

Do 'you', "wizard22", BELIEVE children, and even infants, ARE MENACES, and NEED to be PUNISHED, by 'you', otherwise they will grow up doing wrong? Yes?? Then 'you' agree that most if NOT ALL of 'us' see 'you' as one of the MOST DEGENERATE adult individuals around.

But, it is a common thread in religious teachings to CLAIM ALL children are born BAD or WRONG, and that they WILL ALL grow up doing wrong if they are NOT PUNISHED and/or NOT MADE TO FEEL Wrong and BAD for just doing, what WAS, essentially, FOUND TO BE just COPYING the Wrong and BAD behaviors that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, are ACTUALLY DOING.

Children should be taught to tell the truth, not lie, share, and not steal. It's quite simple. You either plant the seeds for an orderly and peaceful society, or a chaotic and destructive one. The answer is as simple as Discipline. Do you discipline bad behavior, reward good behavior, or not? If you do not, if you lack discipline, then chaos and destruction it will be. Is this your prerogative?

Sure, Wizzard, moral education is necessary.
Reward and response, or punishment, are not the best methods to educate for morality. There are better methods such as stories, dramas, real life interactions and good examples from elders and older peers, or the unwritten moral rules of team games.

[Age]

That story of the rape was not a story of "sexual aggression" that was a story of personal cruelty. Hiding behind a dress is comparatively slight compared with raping a little girl.

Whether you call it sexual aggression, or personal cruelty, doesn't change the fact that I won't tolerate, and certainly not from perverts who hide behind women's clothes.

Are 'you' under some sort of DELUSION that the person with a male gendered body dresses up in dresses just so that 'it' can walk into 'girls' dressing rooms so then 'it' can rape some girls?

If yes, then have 'you' EVER considered that ANY one can just walk into a girls, or boys, dressing room, and then just rape whoever they wanted to?

Or, have 'you' ever considered that ANY one could just rape ANY one absolutely ANY where, dressed up in ANY sort of clothing?

One human being dresses up in a dress, rapes someone, and 'you' USE this one case that ALL people who dress up in NOT what "wizard22" JUDGES and CLASSES as 'the RIGHT WAY TO DRESS" is then, automatically, A DEGENERATE and SO does NOT deserve to live on the same planet or in the same 'world' as "wizard22" lives on and in.

Imagine how SCATTERED and DISTORTED "wizard22" would be if 'it' visited or moved to some south pacific islands where ALL the men and boys WEAR DRESSES?

In fact, magine how MIXED UP "wizard22's" life would REALLY BE if 'it' was born on one of those islands and HAD TO grow up in one of those cultures?

It's interesting to me how evil hides and drapes itself, blending into the fabric of society, though.

AND, 'evil' HIDING behind the DISGUISE of, 'I am a parent/adult who 'parents well', but who ALSO KNOWS that ALL children are MENACES and NEED TO BE PUNISHED, had BLENDED into the fabric of some societies VERY EASILY, and QUITE WELL INDEED, I will add.

This 'evil' has BLENDED IN so well that 'it' even ATTEMPTS to 'TRY TO' FIGHT and ARGUE for THIS POSITION, that 'it' HAS of ABUSE and of POWER of "others".

This 'evil' has even ACTUALLY FOOLED 'itself' that 'it' has the majority on 'its' "side" and so will even 'TRY TO' RIDICULE and HUMILIATE ANY one who IS EXPOSING and REVEALING that True EVIL, which is HIDING and COWERING in those who 'it' is 'trying to' BLEND in WITH.

It's about forcing people to lower their guard...let predators and pedophiles into personal and private spaces, like a kindergarten classroom.

"walker" 'you' obviously have a fixation on young infants and children who are MENACES and on raping of little girls. Did 'you' have this obvious fixation when 'you' working in school playgrounds with little girls, and boys?

By the way, WHO let 'you' into kindergarten classrooms?

I suppose that you approve of cartoon books being shown to young children of two gay dads, and two gay moms, as well?

LOL WHY would 'you' even PRESUPPOSE this, let alone SUPPOSE this AT ALL?

In what, that "belinda" has ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN here so far would LEAD 'you' to SUPPOSE such a thing?

What message is that showing to children, that homosexuality is just as normal or "equal" to heterosexual parents? And that it's no different in Quality?

What makes 'you' ASSUME the 'things' that 'you' do?

What's the difference between procreative and recreative sex, after all?

One is NEEDED, the other is NOT.

Is there a difference?

Yes, OBVIOUSLY.

The two DIFFERENT words provided the CLUE and ANSWER here.

Having a child is no big deal?

Do 'you' PRESUME or ASSUME that just having a child is a big deal?

If yes, then HOW and WHY, EXACTLY?

Abortion is no big deal?

Are 'you' asking OR telling?

If it is the former, then 'you' might NEED some lessons in grammar (whatever that is). And, if it is the latter, then 'you' could ALSO do with some lessons in grammar, (again, whatever that is).

People certainly seem to think they are.

And SOME people certainly DO think otherwise.

I believe children are the biggest responsibility of life. [/quote]

Okay, so WHY, AGAIN, do 'you' BELIEVE children SHOULD ALSO be PUNISHED?

Your Honest, CLEAR and PRECISE answer/s will suffice here.

What goes into their heads, is also part of that biggest responsibility.

AND, BELIEVING ALL children from the VERY YOUNG and up are ALL MENACES and NEED to BE PUNISHED, otherwise they WILL DO WRONG, is CERTAINLY WHAT WAS INSTILLED into this one's head, when is was VERY, VERY YOUNG, and which 'it' STILL BELIEVES is the ABSOLUTE and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' to 'this day'.

Oh, and by the way, what this one BELIEVES 'today', in these writings of 'this day' is WHAT 'it' PUTS INTO the heads of the VERY YOUNG, especially considering the fact that this one MIGHT STILL be WORKING in the classrooms of kindergarten aged children.

How much smut do you allow or forgive?

How much 'smut' do 'you' allow or forgive "walker22"?

Oh, and by the way, what does the 'smut' word mean, or refer to, to you, EXACTLY?

I'm not so lenient to letting children or teenagers watch pornography.

But 'you' are VERY STRICT about PUNISHING 'them' and 'them' LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING that 'they' are ALL MENACES, right?

'you' do MAKE SURE that 'children' KNOW that 'they' NEED to BE PUNISHED, otherwise 'they' WILL grow up doing wrong, correct?

'you' also do MAKE SURE that the children KNOW and UNDERSTAND that the PUNISHMENT that 'you' hand out to 'them' is "doing 'them' the world of good', true?

Liberals may approve, but I do not. Does that make me a Persian Ayatollah?

'you' approve of RIDICULE, HUMILIATION, and PUNISHMENT of ALL children, including VERY YOUNG children, 'we' CERTAINLY do NOT. So, what does that makes 'us', "walker22"?

[Age]

Do 'you', "wizard22", BELIEVE children, and even infants, ARE MENACES, and NEED to be PUNISHED, by 'you', otherwise they will grow up doing wrong? Yes?? Then 'you' agree that most if NOT ALL of 'us' see 'you' as one of the MOST DEGENERATE adult individuals around.

But, it is a common thread in religious teachings to CLAIM ALL children are born BAD or WRONG, and that they WILL ALL grow up doing wrong if they are NOT PUNISHED and/or NOT MADE TO FEEL Wrong and BAD for just doing, what WAS, essentially, FOUND TO BE just COPYING the Wrong and BAD behaviors that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, are ACTUALLY DOING.

Children should be taught to tell the truth, not lie, share, and not steal.

Children would only tell the truth, NOT lie, share, and NOT steal IF there did NOT become FEARFUL and SCARED of PUNISHMENT from 'you', adult human beings, and did NOT copy the misbehaving of 'you', adult human beings.

Also, HOW utterly CONTRADICTORY for 'you', adult human beings, to "teach" to tell the truth, not lie, share, and not steal when ALL of 'you' do NOT always tell the truth, lie far more often than 'you' BELIEVE 'you' do, do NOT share, and DO steal, "yourselves".

It's quite simple.

YES 'it' IS. AND, VERY EASY ALSO.

You either plant the seeds for an orderly and peaceful society, or a chaotic and destructive one.

Have a LOOK AROUND 'you' now. Have 'you' EVER even just considered that ACTUALLY 'you', adults human beings, are doing some 'thing', which is, or even may well be, just NOT quite Right?

Or, do 'you' SERIOUSLY and REALLY BELIEVE that what 'you' are doing and teaching "wizard22" is WHAT IS RIGHT and GOOD in Life?

The answer is as simple as Discipline. Do you discipline bad behavior, reward good behavior, or not? If you do not, if you lack discipline, then chaos and destruction it will be. Is this your prerogative?

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Just LOOK AT what society and 'world' 'you' are living in now, when this is being written, and REMEMBER that 'it' was created through DISCIPLINE, RIDICULE, and PUNISHMENT.

Which, VERY SADLY, some of 'you' MORE ABUSED and DISTORTED ones STILL BELIEVE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY and NEEDED.

If DISCIPLINE, RIDICULE, and/or PUNISHMENT ACTUALLY WORKED, then there would NOT be a prison ANYWHERE, ANY MORE, and there would NOT be ANY one DOING ANY Wrong EITHER ANY MORE. So, the PROOF of what DOES NOT WORK is 'in the pudding', as some might say, or in other words, in the way of 'life' that 'you' are ALL living IN, right now.

In fact some of 'you' have been SO SEVERELY DISCIPLINED and PUNISHED, as children, that 'you' have grown up in 'age' but NOT in 'maturity' to STILL ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ALL children ARE MENACES and if they are NOT DISCIPLINED and PUNISHED WILL END UP DOING WRONG.

The 'world' and 'way of life' that 'you' are living in "wizard22" when this is being written IS 'chaos and destruction' and on a further down hill spiral, or of a Peaceful and Loving 'world' and 'way of life'?

if it is the former, then that is exactly what 'you' get from PUNISHING and DISCIPLINING Truly INNOCENT children, and thee Truly INTELLIGENT ones on the planet, I will add.

But, if it is the latter, then WHY would 'you' even WANT to CHANGE how 'things' ARE?

I will, AGAIN, suggest that 'you' LOOK AT what 'you', "yourself" ARE ACTUALLY 'thinking' AND DOING, BEFORE 'you' even BEGIN to go and START to LOOK AT how "others" 'think' and AT what they DO.

[Age]

Firstly, my username is not "walker".

My SINCERE APOLOGIES. I have NO idea HOW I got to 'walker' from 'wizard'.

So your strawman fallacies and inability to address me, are important.

OF COURSE the MISTAKE I OBVIOUSLY MADE to address 'you' correctly is VERY IMPORTANT.

Just like your strawman fallacies are ALSO VERY IMPORTANT for ALL here AS WELL.

Secondly, do I "hate" a rapist?

And BEFORE 'you' even FIND OUT what ALL the ACTUAL Facts are EXACTLY 'you' will JUDGE some with ANOTHER MISNOMER and as so-called "rapists", and then HATE those HUMAN BEINGS, based on NOTHING MORE than the 'thoughts', ASSUMPTIONS, and BELIEFS within that head. Which ALL OF came from what those Truly TINY and MINUTE LITTLE 'world experiences' that one individual body has experienced ONLY, and ALONE.

Yes, and there's nothing wrong with doing so.

SO, to 'you', "wizard22", there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING Wrong in the WHOLE Universe with 'you' HATING SOME human beings.

The better question is, why would you defend one?

TALK ABOUT ACCUSING "another" of using 'strawman fallacies', BUT NOT PROVIDING ANY ACTUAL PROOF OF ANY, and YET using a 'strawman fallacy' "themself" in the EXACT SAME response and post.

I have NEVER even thought about defending a human being who has raped "another", let alone SAID it or even ALLUDED to it. So, WHY do 'you' ask questions, based SOLELY on your OWN PRESUMPTIONS, while, LAUGHABLY, BELIEVING that your ACCUSATION is even true?

All the while let us NOT FORGET that bringing the 'rapist' word here now was an ATTEMPT to DEFLECT AWAY from the fact that the HATRED 'you' HAVE for "others" INCLUDES those "others" who just WANT to dress up in A WAY that 'you' do NOT prescribe to, and which 'you' ALSO HATE and DETEST, in the EXTREME.

[Age]

Do 'you', "wizard22", BELIEVE children, and even infants, ARE MENACES, and NEED to be PUNISHED, by 'you', otherwise they will grow up doing wrong? Yes?? Then 'you' agree that most if NOT ALL of 'us' see 'you' as one of the MOST DEGENERATE adult individuals around.

But, it is a common thread in religious teachings to CLAIM ALL children are born BAD or WRONG, and that they WILL ALL grow up doing wrong if they are NOT PUNISHED and/or NOT MADE TO FEEL Wrong and BAD for just doing, what WAS, essentially, FOUND TO BE just COPYING the Wrong and BAD behaviors that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, are ACTUALLY DOING.

Children should be taught to tell the truth, not lie, share, and not steal. It's quite simple. You either plant the seeds for an orderly and peaceful society, or a chaotic and destructive one. The answer is as simple as Discipline. Do you discipline bad behavior, reward good behavior, or not? If you do not, if you lack discipline, then chaos and destruction it will be. Is this your prerogative?

Sure, Wizzard, moral education is necessary.
Reward and response, or punishment, are not the best methods to educate for morality. There are better methods such as stories, dramas, real life interactions and good examples from elders and older peers, or the unwritten moral rules of team games.

TEACHING what IS Right in Life, by GUIDING "others" and children to what IS Right in Life, through just DOING what IS Right in Life leads to creating a Truly Loving, Peaceful AND Harmonious 'world'.

Whereas,

DISCIPLINING, by PUNISHING "others" and children, and/or ENFORCING "others" and children to DO what is BELIEVED, but UNKNOWN, to be right in Life, has led to creating the EXACT 'world', which 'you', human beings, have found "yourselves" in and are living in 'right now', in the days when this is being written.

[Sculptor]

You are not seeing it at all.
You are a cheerleader for Iranian girls but apply your own prejudice upon westerner wanting to express themselves in their own way.
It's none of your business if a person wants to change sex. It does you no harm.
I am sure that the Ayatollahs also think as you do, that they are being harmed in some way too.
You are a walking contradiction.

It does harm me and others.

I would not want my prepubescent or teenage daughter sharing a bathroom with these degenerates.

I suppose you would say the same thing about homosexuals too.

Eventually I cannot share a society with them, and them not with me. I'd prefer to have it my way over yours.

THey are not asking or demanding you share a society with "them". I imagine they can do without bigotry and prejudice, just as much as the Iranian women.

[Sculptor]

It does you no harm.

https://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-loud ... 13442.html

National Review
Judge Rules Loudoun County Teen Sexually Assaulted Female Student in Girls’ Bathroom
Caroline Downey
October 26, 2021·2 min read

Ruling on a the case that has seized national attention and reinvigorated debate over parental rights in public education, a Virginia juvenile court judge concluded Monday that a transgender teenager sexually assaulted a female student in a Loudoun County high school in May.

Chief Judge Pamela L. Brooks found there was sufficient evidence to determine the individual guilty of sexual assault.

The decision comes after the Daily Wire spoke to the victim’s father, who said the male student forcibly sodomized his ninth-grade daughter in a school bathroom while wearing a skirt. When the father attempted to describe and protest the incident at a local school-board meeting, he was arrested for disorderly conduct, allowing the sexual abuse to stay underground for months.

After the assault, the perpetrator was transferred to another school where he allegedly assaulted a second female student in early October.

In the interim, the Loudoun County School Board passed a sweeping gender-inclusivity policy allowing students to use restrooms and locker rooms, as well as compete in sports, according to their gender identity rather than biological sex.

The particularly heinous part,

"After the assault, the perpetrator was transferred to another school where he allegedly assaulted a second female student in early October."

Not relevant to the discussion at all.

[FlashDangerpants]

It shouldn't be surprising that those who support genital mutilation of children, intentionally confusing young people that gender is "fluid", would also promote degenerate sex acts. It goes hand-in-hand. The better question is, what do they really gain from all this? Is there not a monetary aspect to exploitation of others and the masses? Shocker, there is. That's why prostitution and pornography are "industries". Thus people are generally victims of such exploitation, or perpetrators of it. Pick your poison.

Why else is there such a backlash to the idea that people should have sex, only when they want children? Who stands to gain, or lose?

Insinuations are not argument.

[Wizard22]

Sure, Wizzard, moral education is necessary.
Reward and response, or punishment, are not the best methods to educate for morality. There are better methods such as stories, dramas, real life interactions and good examples from elders and older peers, or the unwritten moral rules of team games.

I agree, acting out morality to demonstrate its benefits and flaws is the best method.

People in the West are now acting-out the mistakes of rejecting a largely Christian moral and ethical system, and what is the result? Rampant divorce and single-parenthood, that has destroyed the Western 'familial' system. It leads to chaos. Boys and girls without fathers, it is a fatherless system. Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, transgenderism, these are all at the forefront of this. Without Masculine role-models, biological Fathers, to represent manhood, society crumbles before our eyes.

Even Age here is a symptom of this, a complete lack of Discipline.

[Wizard22]

I suppose you would say the same thing about homosexuals too.

Incorrect, homosexuals tend to be non-violent, except with the homosexual couples who adopt orphans and sexually abuse them. Transexuals and the transexual movement are particularly violent, due to the sexual degeneracy implied with 'changing' your gender.

I will teach my children to beware sexual degenerates in general though, even the non-violent ones, since it is anti-social behavior.

THey are not asking or demanding you share a society with "them". I imagine they can do without bigotry and prejudice, just as much as the Iranian women.

Also incorrect, it is the liberals who want to be included into conservative society, not the other way around.

Were white people struggling to send their kids to black-only schools in the 1950s?

You have things backward.

[Wizard22]

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Just LOOK AT what society and 'world' 'you' are living in now, when this is being written, and REMEMBER that 'it' was created through DISCIPLINE, RIDICULE, and PUNISHMENT.

Which, VERY SADLY, some of 'you' MORE ABUSED and DISTORTED ones STILL BELIEVE IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY and NEEDED.

If DISCIPLINE, RIDICULE, and/or PUNISHMENT ACTUALLY WORKED, then there would NOT be a prison ANYWHERE, ANY MORE, and there would NOT be ANY one DOING ANY Wrong EITHER ANY MORE. So, the PROOF of what DOES NOT WORK is 'in the pudding', as some might say, or in other words, in the way of 'life' that 'you' are ALL living IN, right now.

In fact some of 'you' have been SO SEVERELY DISCIPLINED and PUNISHED, as children, that 'you' have grown up in 'age' but NOT in 'maturity' to STILL ACTUALLY BELIEVE that ALL children ARE MENACES and if they are NOT DISCIPLINED and PUNISHED WILL END UP DOING WRONG.

The 'world' and 'way of life' that 'you' are living in "wizard22" when this is being written IS 'chaos and destruction' and on a further down hill spiral, or of a Peaceful and Loving 'world' and 'way of life'?

if it is the former, then that is exactly what 'you' get from PUNISHING and DISCIPLINING Truly INNOCENT children, and thee Truly INTELLIGENT ones on the planet, I will add.

But, if it is the latter, then WHY would 'you' even WANT to CHANGE how 'things' ARE?

I will, AGAIN, suggest that 'you' LOOK AT what 'you', "yourself" ARE ACTUALLY 'thinking' AND DOING, BEFORE 'you' even BEGIN to go and START to LOOK AT how "others" 'think' and AT what they DO.

Age, your responses are really just a series of error, after error, after error, riddled with logical fallacies, strawman arguments, red herrings, projection, etc etc etc. Also your chaotic grammar and failure to address your interlocutor, signals a great deal of cognitive dissonance. I won't go into unwinding the small knots inside your (ir)rationalization. But I will address a few of the major malfunctions.

FIRSTLY, writing in CAPITAL letters EVERY second or THIRD word, IS very DISTRACTING. You SHOULD reconsider TYPING like THIS. TRY to type NORMALLY. IT'S too distracting FOR the READER and MAKES you look SILLY.

Secondly, I'm not threatened by a grown man wearing a dress and pretending to be a woman. But many people should be, because they are mentally ill and usually sexual predators. Do I want to kill a man "for wearing a dress"? No, but I do want to kill men who are rapists and plotting to rape children. You are using a false-equivocation to present innocence and criminal as the same thing. This is obviously false. And it's common sense for people to differentiate between the two. It's a matter of who people are willing to trust their children with.

Lastly, young children learn to lie early in life. Lying is integral in the human specie. There is no innate "truth-telling", because humans and every other organic specie, use different forms of deception to gain direct & indirect advantages in life. There is no "complete honesty" or "perfect truth". This is most obvious in the realm of Philosophy, where, truth is relatively unknown--and philosophers attempt to clear all premises and seek-out truth as an unknown conclusion. We (philosophers) do not begin such a journey with "the truth". But we hope to end with it, as a hard-won acquisition.

Truth is a grand construct, of verifiable beliefs, a lifetime of trial & error that is justified by the quality of those trials. People are drawn to such 'Truth' because it is convincing, persuasive, alluring, and "rings true". There is an innate Gravitas toward Truth. You know it when you hear it. I'll leave it at this, for now, because you seem to be struggling in your novel-length responses of Righteous Indignation. Young adults don't really have access to great truths, and especially not children and infants, who have yet to learn anything of the world. Young children do have a lack of bias and 'innocence' that quickly dissipates though. Young children learn to lie reflexively, when they learn the difference between "good" or "bad" beahvior.

I'm beginning to doubt that you can discuss this matter at length, unemotionally. But I'll give you a few more chances.

[Sculptor]

I suppose you would say the same thing about homosexuals too.

Incorrect, homosexuals tend to be non-violent, except with the homosexual couples who adopt orphans and sexually abuse them. Transexuals and the transexual movement are particularly violent, due to the sexual degeneracy implied with 'changing' your gender.

What utter fucking bullshit.

I will teach my children to beware sexual degenerates in general though, even the non-violent ones, since it is anti-social behavior.

THey are not asking or demanding you share a society with "them". I imagine they can do without bigotry and prejudice, just as much as the Iranian women.

Also incorrect, it is the liberals who want to be included into conservative society, not the other way around.

Were white people struggling to send their kids to black-only schools in the 1950s?

You have things backward.

THere is no difference between you are the Ayatollahs

[Belinda]

Sure, Wizzard, moral education is necessary.
Reward and response, or punishment, are not the best methods to educate for morality. There are better methods such as stories, dramas, real life interactions and good examples from elders and older peers, or the unwritten moral rules of team games.

I agree, acting out morality to demonstrate its benefits and flaws is the best method.

People in the West are now acting-out the mistakes of rejecting a largely Christian moral and ethical system, and what is the result? Rampant divorce and single-parenthood, that has destroyed the Western 'familial' system. It leads to chaos. Boys and girls without fathers, it is a fatherless system. Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, transgenderism, these are all at the forefront of this. Without Masculine role-models, biological Fathers, to represent manhood, society crumbles before our eyes.

Even Age here is a symptom of this, a complete lack of Discipline.

Biological women are capable of what were formerly held to be "manhood" virtues. Biological men are capable of what were formerly held to be womanhood virtues.

Your ideas of gender are too rigid and they are out of date. You may be able to persuade some people but you can't turn back the clock.

Right- wing dictators have morality policemen who catch people for infringements of reissued 'traditional' (or ersatz traditional) beliefs.

Divorce and single parenthood may be happier and healthier for parents and their children than the alternatives.

Did you learn any history when you were at school?