What is the good life?

[Hermit Philosopher]

Perhaps with the absence of desires, true happiness means being satisfied to the point one does not have desires. In today's society one could call this blasphemy against life itself!

Dear reasonvemotion,
I was reminded of these:

https://twitter.com/hphilosopher/status ... YZUfEiyYpg

https://twitter.com/hphilosopher/status ... YZUfEiyYpg

Thank you.


Humbly,
Hermit

[Age]

It's like all the bumper stickers came to life and got together for a party in here.

It occurred to me just the other day, that you very rarely see a bumper sticker anymore..

On another thing, and I know you don't believe stuff about my experiences, but this is what happened about 15 years ago. I was VERY angry with God (while in its hell), so fucking angry that I smashed the glass of a sliding door in my lounge room.
I went up the shops and on the way I told God to fix the mess that was in my house! - (IT didn't.) But in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car had large stickers across the back windscreens that stated "ANGER MANAGEMENT"!!

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the truth.

When you say, "in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car", very roughly how many cars were there there and how many of them had the "large stickers" across their back windscreens, stating, "anger management"?

[attofishpi]

It's like all the bumper stickers came to life and got together for a party in here.

It occurred to me just the other day, that you very rarely see a bumper sticker anymore..

On another thing, and I know you don't believe stuff about my experiences, but this is what happened about 15 years ago. I was VERY angry with God (while in its hell), so fucking angry that I smashed the glass of a sliding door in my lounge room.
I went up the shops and on the way I told God to fix the mess that was in my house! - (IT didn't.) But in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car had large stickers across the back windscreens that stated "ANGER MANAGEMENT"!!

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the truth.

When you say, "in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car", very roughly how many cars were there there and how many of them had the "large stickers" across their back windscreens, stating, "anger management"?

Y?

[Age]

It occurred to me just the other day, that you very rarely see a bumper sticker anymore..

On another thing, and I know you don't believe stuff about my experiences, but this is what happened about 15 years ago. I was VERY angry with God (while in its hell), so fucking angry that I smashed the glass of a sliding door in my lounge room.
I went up the shops and on the way I told God to fix the mess that was in my house! - (IT didn't.) But in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car had large stickers across the back windscreens that stated "ANGER MANAGEMENT"!!

Reality is a convoluted apparition of the truth.

When you say, "in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car", very roughly how many cars were there there and how many of them had the "large stickers" across their back windscreens, stating, "anger management"?

Y?

To FIND OUT and SEE just how much ACTUAL Truth was in your statement and CLAIM here.

[reasonvemotion]

Considering what it means to live a good life is complicated.

There may well be even more dimensions that haven’t been accounted for—an intellectual life, a creative life, or a loving, caring life, for example.

Some experiences in my life have been potentially dangerous but when I look back I am grateful that I came to no harm.

Do I consider this a good life?

I think I do.

[attofishpi]

When you say, "in the car park of the shopping centre, almost every car", very roughly how many cars were there there and how many of them had the "large stickers" across their back windscreens, stating, "anger management"?

Y?

To FIND OUT and SEE just how much ACTUAL Truth was in your statement and CLAIM here.

I'd say about 70% of the cars.


And how about this. When I had "crossed the line" with what God\sage expects of me - in HELL again. I was up the shops at the checkout and decided I'd buy a Snicker (Marathon I think they are still called in UK) - when I went to grab the snicker, the wrapper was different, as shown below...
I looked through all the other Snickers - they all had "Snickers" on the package. I said to the girl, why on Earth have they named this one "Foolish" - she shrugged - I said maybe we are foolish eating it because we get fat..
At a barbeque I showed everyone the wrapper - most people were shocked, one of my friends said yeah, they are doing a thing atm where they are changing the names on some packages - well, I never saw any others since - there is always an element of DOUBT.

[attofishpi]

Y?

To FIND OUT and SEE just how much ACTUAL Truth was in your statement and CLAIM here.

I'd say about 70% of the cars.


And how about this. When I had "crossed the line" with what God\sage expects of me - in HELL again. I was up the shops at the checkout and decided I'd buy a Snicker (Marathon I think they are still called in UK) - when I went to grab the snicker, the wrapper was different, as shown below...
I looked through all the other Snickers - they all had "Snickers" on the package. I said to the girl, why on Earth have they named this one "Foolish" - she shrugged - I said maybe we are foolish eating it because we get fat..
At a barbeque I showed everyone the wrapper - most people were shocked, one of my friends said yeah, they are doing a thing atm where they are changing the names on some packages - well, I never saw any others since - there is always an element of DOUBT.

So.

Is the above just normal to you people? Did my dimensional reality just warp into your heads?

?

How does that sit in your concept that atto is typical of your analysis of "the problem of other minds"?

Sorry Hermit to pick on U...but I did have rather a larf with the humans (shrinks) that thought that going to university would eventually mean they could comprehend other minds (and of course reality), in particular, mine ---- better than I could comprehend my own analysis of aforementioned reality.

[Kartik mishra]

In my view, the good life for each individual may be different. However, some key components that can make a life “good” include happiness, fulfillment, peace of mind, and love. By creating goals and finding ways to achieve them through healthy living habits (e.g., eating right and getting enough exercise), you can begin to create your version of the good life.

[Hermit Philosopher]

Sorry Hermit to pick on U...but I did have rather a larf with the humans (shrinks) that thought that going to university would eventually mean they could comprehend other minds (and of course reality), in particular, mine ---- better than I could comprehend my own analysis of aforementioned reality.

That’s okay attofishpi.

I don’t think I’ve claimed any of those things, but had I said that I believed myself to know others better than they know themselves, I think I’d expect you to laugh. And, had I claimed it to be so due to my profession, I certainly would have expected to be “picked on”.

How does that sit in your concept that atto is typical of your analysis of "the problem of other minds"?

I’m guessing this is not really a question to me about your “typicality” because you know from before that I don’t engage in random, online assessment of strangers and that I have no opinion of you for me to share here. But, is it problems with research methodology that you are interested in…?


Humbly
Hermit

[attofishpi]

But, is it problems with research methodology that you are interested in…?

Humbly
Hermit

Ok, so my experience with psychiatrists goes like this, just so you can comprehend what I see as a fail in whatever methdology they employ:-

In late 2017 I get forced out of a really good job in IT by God - scrambling letters on my screen - "people" in the office calling out "do art" (of course, it's not them doing it) ...this is 20 years since first gaining knowledge of God's existence (1997)

So, I'm like screw this, I can't do the job anymore, clearly this entity is forcing me to do art - sounds rather dandy - the office job was rather boring. I resigned.

Financially I was in an ok position - I owed about $200 on my mortgage - just kept it open so I could withdraw if ever required - like now, having no job.
So I start doing paintings. And my mortgage is going in the wrong direction, the government job agency keeps telling me to apply for X number of jobs per week.
So I say to God\sage - how about giving me some money - you forced me out of work! Well, a couple of days later I see a deposit of $4500 in my bank with the transaction title: "BT - Portfolio" -- BT is my initials.
Do you think I am going to phone the bank and say "Hey, whats going on here!?" - nah!!

Anyway, the job agencies are really pissing me off so I think..mmm, maybe I go see a psychiatrist and they can get the job search agency off my back.

So. I take a small folder of the art I am working on (A4 prints of photos) and go to see a Govt psychiatrist. I explain stuff which is obviously insane - hearing God speaking and a sage speaking from the aether, wanting you to do art...bla bla..
After he told me he can give me a 3 month sick certificate to keep centrelink (govt job thingy) off my back....I said to him, so for me to get this certificate I have to deal with psychiatrist and take pills - I can't just deal with a psychologist?
- He says, that's right a govt requirement...adding...So you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you?
- I said I know there is nothing wrong with me, beyond a God screwing with my reality to do this bloody art project!
- He says, well I've got to put something down on this certificate
- I say - so define schizophrenia, maybe it's God fucking with people!
- He glances at me, so I'll put down schizophrenia then?
- Sure!

Ok, so no issue with that. But every >2 months I had to see a shrink again to get another 3 month cert. And they rotate the shrinks - so I'd have to explain everything again, just reading the file of my "insanity" wasn't sufficient. Indeed, some of these 'professionals' really had little idea of philosophical stuff, and concepts with re to physics etc...so this is part of my point - THERE WAS NO RATIONAL DEBATE permitted. (I won't say what happened to the pills!!)

For example, the accounts above - re the cars with ANGER MANAGEMENT - the snickers bar with FOOLISH - and any reasoning I gave with the sychronicity of events that either I am lying OR the professional listening to me doesn't comprehend logic (of course, it was neither of those)

To sum up.
"Methodology" appears to be this - you hear, see things that the medical professional cannot explain or comprehend - without ALSO having those experiences (and accounts of God are not permitted, that is irrational) - then, you are delusional - take these pills.
As above, there appeared to be no WOW, factor or actual listening to my accounts...and certainly...no room for philosophical debate!

So truly, I guess I should not have opened this account above with what I see as "a fail" - since I got what I wanted out of the shrinks - God works in mysterious ways - I do what I want, I'm free - I paint - whatever!!

[Hermit Philosopher]

But, is it problems with research methodology that you are interested in…?

Humbly
Hermit

Ok, so my experience with psychiatrists goes like this, just so you can comprehend what I see as a fail in whatever methdology they employ:-

In late 2017 I get forced out of a really good job in IT by God - scrambling letters on my screen - "people" in the office calling out "do art" (of course, it's not them doing it) ...this is 20 years since first gaining knowledge of God's existence (1997)

So, I'm like screw this, I can't do the job anymore, clearly this entity is forcing me to do art - sounds rather dandy - the office job was rather boring. I resigned.

Financially I was in an ok position - I owed about $200 on my mortgage - just kept it open so I could withdraw if ever required - like now, having no job.
So I start doing paintings. And my mortgage is going in the wrong direction, the government job agency keeps telling me to apply for X number of jobs per week.
So I say to God\sage - how about giving me some money - you forced me out of work! Well, a couple of days later I see a deposit of $4500 in my bank with the transaction title: "BT - Portfolio" -- BT is my initials.
Do you think I am going to phone the bank and say "Hey, whats going on here!?" - nah!!

Anyway, the job agencies are really pissing me off so I think..mmm, maybe I go see a psychiatrist and they can get the job search agency off my back.

So. I take a small folder of the art I am working on (A4 prints of photos) and go to see a Govt psychiatrist. I explain stuff which is obviously insane - hearing God speaking and a sage speaking from the aether, wanting you to do art...bla bla..
After he told me he can give me a 3 month sick certificate to keep centrelink (govt job thingy) off my back....I said to him, so for me to get this certificate I have to deal with psychiatrist and take pills - I can't just deal with a psychologist?
- He says, that's right a govt requirement...adding...So you don't think there is anything mentally wrong with you?
- I said I know there is nothing wrong with me, beyond a God screwing with my reality to do this bloody art project!
- He says, well I've got to put something down on this certificate
- I say - so define schizophrenia, maybe it's God fucking with people!
- He glances at me, so I'll put down schizophrenia then?
- Sure!

Ok, so no issue with that. But every >2 months I had to see a shrink again to get another 3 month cert. And they rotate the shrinks - so I'd have to explain everything again, just reading the file of my "insanity" wasn't sufficient. Indeed, some of these 'professionals' really had little idea of philosophical stuff, and concepts with re to physics etc...so this is part of my point - THERE WAS NO RATIONAL DEBATE permitted. (I won't say what happened to the pills!!)

For example, the accounts above - re the cars with ANGER MANAGEMENT - the snickers bar with FOOLISH - and any reasoning I gave with the sychronicity of events that either I am lying OR the professional listening to me doesn't comprehend logic (of course, it was neither of those)

To sum up.
"Methodology" appears to be this - you hear, see things that the medical professional cannot explain or comprehend - without ALSO having those experiences (and accounts of God are not permitted, that is irrational) - then, you are delusional - take these pills.
As above, there appeared to be no WOW, factor or actual listening to my accounts...and certainly...no room for philosophical debate!

So truly, I guess I should not have opened this account above with what I see as "a fail" - since I got what I wanted out of the shrinks - God works in mysterious ways - I do what I want, I'm free - I paint - whatever!!

Dear attofishpi

I had been thinking more on the lines of chats about scientific theory and the research methodologies used in psychology, but I do understand your need to address your own situation and dealings with people in the mental health field and I thank you for sharing so personally.

I have some thoughts (not on you, but on what you say); however, I’d rather PM them, as they are not to do with the thread we are writing in. What say you?


Humbly,
Hermit

[attofishpi]

Dear attofishpi

I had been thinking more on the lines of chats about scientific theory and the research methodologies used in psychology, but I do understand your need to address your own situation and dealings with people in the mental health field and I thank you for sharing so personally.

I have some thoughts (not on you, but on what you say); however, I’d rather PM them, as they are not to do with the thread we are writing in. What say you?


Humbly,
Hermit

I don't mind 'PM's, but I do not understand why you'd rather PM.
Unsure how what you'd have to say need to be hidden from public view...but hey, sure PM - indeed, I'd like to hear from the professional side of this equation!

(I am about to cook some grub, so it may take a while for me to respond).

Thanks - atto.

[commonsense]

I had a great bumper sticker on my car in the late 80's...

it said "Nuke a gay whale for Jesus"

-Imp

The 70s’ version was “Kill a Commie for Christ”

[Humusk1]

A worthwhile life is not always a good life. A normal life is still worthwhile. Many people believe that any life is worth living, but when it comes to torture scenarios, they are easily persuaded otherwise. A worthwhile life, like the concept of a good life, is entirely subjective. Some people set a higher standard than others.
Now comes the important question: what is a good life? That depends on your starting point. Some say truth, others say happiness, still others say obedience to God, and still others say virtues. There is no good objective answer, but I believe the best we can do is combine the aspects that are important to you, and that would be your answer. My response: happy innovation. A good