Someone, everyone, please take this seriously.

[Iwannaplato]

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering,

I don't think I was.

I mean, I don't know. I can only go by what you say. On the 24th you said...

Pain is disgusting, there is here a hatred for pain. There is here a hatred for being an alive sentient feeler of pain. Life for this one here is endless suffering, but it is what it is, and there is nothing this one here can do about the 'WHAT IS' especially the pain experience. If I could do something about pain, I would be in a position to abort my life before I am born.

[Iwannaplato]

My suffering has ended. I used to suffer in the past, but I no longer suffer anymore.

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering, but now on the 25th you are not. Great. So, Roy was probably right. If you get it, you won't suffer. Good for you.
I hope you don't mind if I check in in a couple of weeks to see how you are doing. Because this is important. If watching two videos can end suffering, and not just for 24 hours, this is incredibly important.

You know your attitude and demeanor is reminding me of the Walker character, you are very similar to him in the way you converse with me.

So I'm just warning you now to simmer down, or else you are going to get slapped really hard. Speak to me in respectful manner, or I'll just have to resort to lion's den tactics in order to get through to you.

I don't know what you are talking about. I certainly have been surly with you in other posts as have you been with me, but I was polite and curious here.

[Harbal]

For you to say this to me suggests that you think I am in need of it being said to me.

Is that what you used to say to your school teachers? or did you just sit there at your desk and listen?

My school teachers were just doing their job, and I was just doing what all children are obliged to do while they are of school age. I am no longer a child, and it is nobody's job to educate me unless I actually engage them for that purpose myself.

[Dontaskme]

But you are the one who was curious to come to this thread, already knowing the title of the thread.

Curiosity is what leads me to look at all the threads I look at, but curiosity is not the reason for my response to it. I responded because I disapprove of the nature of the thread. I see a forum like this as a place for exchanging ideas and arguing about ideas, but not for preaching ideas in an effort to convert people into your own way of thinking. The opening post in this thread made a negative assertion about people, so, by implication, about me. To my mind, that makes the thread and it's author fair game for criticism.

I didn't see it as preaching.

And you are welcome to critque it as preaching, but that doesn't mean we all see things the way you do.

You've been preachy about Roy's appearance and his whole style of delivery, which is rather hypocritical of you to say.

So you've decided this thread is not for you,it's not to your tastse, except to criticize, and that is your right to do so...you've done the job, then I guess that's it...bye.

Feel free to pop back to pick out the faults of someone who is just sharing his philosophy anytime you like, not only the person, but the message aswell, that's what you came to this thread to do. . congratulations, job done, but no one cares.


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[Dontaskme]

For you to say this to me suggests that you think I am in need of it being said to me.

Is that what you used to say to your school teachers? or did you just sit there at your desk and listen?

My school teachers were just doing their job, and I was just doing what all children are obliged to do while they are of school age. I am no longer a child, and it is nobody's job to educate me unless I actually engage them for that purpose myself.

Well good for you.

I agree, and hope you give yourself a very good education.

[Dontaskme]

I don't know what you are talking about. I certainly have been surly with you in other posts as have you been with me, but I was polite and curious here.

I always respond to people in kind. If you get cocky, so will I .. I prefer respectful dialog, nothing else, I have high standards, because I am a very nice person, and do not like being messed around. Say what you mean, and mean what you say, no pretense. Be impeccable with your word, and keep the person's personality out.

Just saying...

[Sculptor]

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

Oh I see, so it's about clear and constructive thinking...and you'd not be wrong, but if you understand the message, you'd see that it's a pointing that points to the end of all religious belief. But that's for you to get from the message.

Yeah, and that is pretty much what all religions claim.
You might have noticed that what he is saying in not only an end to religion, it is also an end to reason, rationality, and science too.

[Sculptor]

Wow, great rebuttal!

I don't suffer. Whether you believe me or not is irrelevant. If you wish to cease your own suffering, I suggest you follow my teaching or the teaching of Ramana Maharshi. If you don't want to end your suffering, carry on.

No rebuttal needed since nothing is here to rebut. You have to have made a case. What you seem to have is a series of unsubstantiated and confused ramblings; self contradictory, vague and diffuse.

Yes, the part where I delved into the actual meanings of the words "thing" and "nothing" is indeed self-contradictory, vague and diffuse.

However, the triune system that was presented is anything but all of that.

AH. You mean "that"? That thing, which is no thing, and nothing. You are a thing which is also a no nothing, nothing.

[Sculptor]

But aren't all philosophers attempting to convert their oppositions to their own personal sense of what is true? aren't we all guilty of trying to win our side of an argument, and to get the opposition on our side?

Most philosophers have more reason and clear and constructive means of thinking.
His is more like religion.

That's hilarious! If philosophers have been so wise in the past then why is humanity so completely fucked?

Not exactly a meaningful observation.
What sort of "thing" is being completely "fucked"?
Is that nothing at all.

The world has been evolving through fucking for billions of years, and all the evidence points to more interesting, more intelligent and more self reflective creatures living on the planet, and the most of all these may be reasonably argued to be human,
We live longer, inhabit regions inhospitable to the coldest loving animals and regions inhospitable to the hottest loving animals. We can descend the depth of the sea and fly in he air. We've even been known to leave the earth completely (or do you think Neil Armstrong et al were fakers?). We've even created out own virtual worlds. and have mapped the universe. We can even see the ecologies of the microscopic world.
So what, exactly do you mean fucked?
We've never been so successful as right now
But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

[Harbal]

I didn't see it as preaching.

And you are welcome to critque it as preaching, but that doesn't mean we all see things the way you do.

He is trying to convert people to his belief system, which he is quite open about, and that amounts to preaching. He is no different to the man who tells you to take God into your heart or be damned.

You've been preachy about Roy's appearance and his whole style of delivery, which is rather hypocritical of you to say.

That wasn't preaching; it was the pointing out of an inconsistency in Roy's presentation of himself.

Feel free to pop back to pick out the faults of someone who is just sharing his philosophy anytime you like, not only the person, but the message aswell, that's what you came to this thread to do.

I didn't object to any of your posts of support for Roy, I aimed my criticisms directly at him, and left you to have your own opinion about him. It was you who came to me to challenge my views about Roy and his thread, and now you seem to feel agrieved because I haven't allowed you to change my opinion.

I am not attacking Roys beliefs, if they truly are his beliefs, I am attacking his attempt to get everyone else to adopt them by saying they are deluded if they don't. I disapprove of what he is doing, not what he believes, and the reason I "came to this thread" was to voice that disapproval.

congratulations, job done, but no one cares.

You obviously think I have achieved a discreditable objective, and even if no one else cares, you clearly do.

[Dontaskme]

OK, on the 24th you were still suffering,

I don't think I was.

I mean, I don't know. I can only go by what you say. On the 24th you said...

Pain is disgusting, there is here a hatred for pain. There is here a hatred for being an alive sentient feeler of pain. Life for this one here is endless suffering, but it is what it is, and there is nothing this one here can do about the 'WHAT IS' especially the pain experience. If I could do something about pain, I would be in a position to abort my life before I am born.

Yes, I said that, and I meant it. I cannot do anything about the pain experience, but I can certainly do something about the suffering it causes me. I can allow it to be there, without being overwhelmed and depressed about it. The ''what is'' is just what's happening and there is nothing I can do about that.

Pain is disgusting, so what...I hate pain. Pain will always be here in life, and it seems like life is endless suffering. What has that got to do with me saying that suffering has ended for me?

Just to clarify...I do not suffer my suffering anymore, suffering arises in me, but I do not suffer it. The suffering does not overwhelm me to the point I want to kill myself to escape it, or take drugs to suppress it, or drink myself to death to escape it, or jump off the nearest cliff. I am able to not suffer my suffering and keep myself sane and healthy. It never takes me over, it does not get the better of me, it does not win....I win.

Suffering arises in me, and is why I say life is endless suffering....BUT IT DOES NOT OVERWHELM ME..or kill me.

I do not SUFFER my suffering....does that make sense ?

Suffering arises, but I understand it's presence will be temporal and not a permanent presence ... I understand suffering to be part of being alive...but I do not suffer my suffering, I allow it to be there, knowing it will pass, like that saying...this too will pass.


Hope that clears that up, if not...I do not care.

[Dontaskme]

I didn't see it as preaching.

And you are welcome to critque it as preaching, but that doesn't mean we all see things the way you do.

He is trying to convert people to his belief system, which he is quite open about, and that amounts to preaching. He is no different to the man who tells you to take God into your heart or be damned.

You've been preachy about Roy's appearance and his whole style of delivery, which is rather hypocritical of you to say.

That wasn't preaching; it was the pointing out of an inconsistency in Roy's presentation of himself.

Feel free to pop back to pick out the faults of someone who is just sharing his philosophy anytime you like, not only the person, but the message aswell, that's what you came to this thread to do.

I didn't object to any of your posts of support for Roy, I aimed my criticisms directly at him, and left you to have your own opinion about him. It was you who came to me to challenge my views about Roy and his thread, and now you seem to feel agrieved because I haven't allowed you to change my opinion.

I am not attacking Roys beliefs, if they truly are his beliefs, I am attacking his attempt to get everyone else to adopt them by saying they are deluded if they don't. I disapprove of what he is doing, not what he believes, and the reason I "came to this thread" was to voice that disapproval.

congratulations, job done, but no one cares.

You obviously think I have achieved a discreditable objective, and even if no one else cares, you clearly do.

Ok, fine, you've had your say, and I accept it to be your truth, the whole truth and nothing but your truth.

I have no objection to your truth.

I'm not really sure I understand your truth, but to be honest, I do not care about your truth.

Right now, all I care about is Roy's truth, which is also mine.

[Hermit Philosopher]

I experience next to no suffering or anxiety, and spend most of my time in/as Absolute (not dependent upon circumstances) Happiness.

Dear roydop,

At the end of the day, this is wonderful news! I think the proof that one has found the way that’s right for oneself, is that it works; no?

If your perspective has resulted in a greater sense of peace, trust and contentment, from which you can approach life and those you come across with more patience, compassion and humility, you have the means to spread harmony and inspire to small (but very meaningful) changes in your interactions.

I would only add that one does well to remind oneself that different people will have different ways to get to this state of mind and that not all ways suit everyone.

Feel blessed and be grateful that you have found the perfect way for you!


Humbly
Hermit

[Harbal]

Ok, fine, you've had your say, and I accept it to be your truth, the whole truth and nothing but your truth.

I have no objection to your truth.

I'm not really sure I understand your truth, but to be honest, I do not care about your truth.

Right now, all I care about is Roy's truth, which is also mine.

Well I just hope Roy realises how lucky he is to have you on his side.

[Dontaskme]

But just because people do not believe in the same brand of crazy that you do we are all fucked?

No, only you can allow yourself to be bent over.

However, when it comes to humanity as a collective whole, we are all fucked when just one single solitary person decides to go a bit crazy..if you know what I mean.. we all going down on the same sinking ship, here there are no lifeboats to save you, only you can save you, but first you have to die, not literally, but ...that's another story you might not be interested in anyway.