free will: yep, another thread about 'that'...

[Age]

YET, it is who you find life, and living, SO MISERABLE that you WISH you were NEVER born, and do NOT WISH life on ANY one, ALSO.

Well if MISERABLE is the label you want to place on my being for wishing there was no such reality as a human sentient feeling creature capable of feeling pain and suffering, then that just further increases my point in wondering why humans even want to increase the population into a reality full of miserable people.

Well if 'you', adult human beings, STOP making 'suffering' apart of yours and children's lives, then 'suffering' would NEVER exist ANYMORE.

And, getting rid of 'pain' altogether is a STUPID IDEA. As pain is NEEDED for continual survival. As I have ALREADY EXPLAINED.

ALSO, I NEVER placed the label MISERABLE on your being for wishing ANY thing AT ALL. Here we have ANOTHER example of just how these human beings, in the days when this was being written, could NOT CLEARLY SEE these ACTUAL WORDS before them, even though they are CLEARLY HERE for ALL to SEE, LOOK AT, and DISCUSS.

But that's just your own projection, and not my actual reality, and while it is true I have opinions on why I would rather have not been born, those opinions have absolutely no adverse effect on me whatsoever, I still function perfectly well like everyone else who is alive.

Except you WISH you were NEVER BORN, while "others", at times, Truly ENJOY BEING BORN and BEING ALIVE.

ALSO, and AGAIN, I NEVER "projected" what you ASSUME I did.

I am at perfect peace with life, I accept every single thought I have about it unconditionally.

Well NO one can NOT ACCEPT EVERY single thought that arises, This is because of the VERY REASON WHY EVERY single 'thought' arises.

In fact I've never felt so mentally balanced and well in my entire life as I do right now.

That is GREAT. Pity though you could NEVER Truly ENJOY that 'mentally balanced' feeling while you are WISHING you were NEVER experiencing that feeling.

I live like I'm already dead, I've got nothing to lose because I came to realise I never was born in the first place, and that this I that I cling onto is not personal, although suffering and pain is a real experience, it's just not personal, I also know that the unborn do not suffer the pain of life, and is why death is so appealing to me.

"death" MUST NOT BE that 'to appealing', to you.

I happen to think that the best way to live life is to be dead inside, but that's labled as misery by some people, but to me, it's my perfect heaven, and I cannot be any other way, just because someone else thinks it's not the right way to be.

WHO has thought that 'you', personally, thinking the BEST WAY to live life is to be DEAD inside, is NOT 'the right way to be'?

I NEVER have.

I UNDERSTAND ABSOLUTELY FULLY WHY 'you' think this way. I also TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY ACCEPT that this is THE WAY that 'you' think is BEST, for you.

I learnt how to be the way that made me feel at one with nature, and not a way that other people wanted me to feel.

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How, EXACTLY, is being DEAD, inside, feeling AT ONE with LIVING Nature, Itself?

[Age]

Were you SAYING and EXPRESSING these views or BELIEFS when 'you' WERE HAVING BABIES? Or, have you ONLY just now STARTED EXPRESSING these views?

Unfortunately I did not have these views at the time I was having babies. I later developed a realisation that having babies was a selfish idea, but by the time I realised the selfishness it was too late.

So, 'you' became wiser, later on, correct?

I wish I could have known then what I know now, but it's too late I've imposed the experience of having to live and grow old on 4 more lives,

"old" relative to 'what', EXACTLY?

and all I can feel now is pain for them for what I have imposed upon them and for what they have to go through all because of my selfishness.

What do 'they' think AND feel, EXACTLY, about 'you' 'feeling pain' FOR 'THEM', for you bringing 'them' into Life, and Existence, Itself?

[Age]

And, considering the Fact that this Oneness, or Lonesomeness, extends out FOR EVER, and lasts FOR ETERNITY, has that 'I' REALLY NOT gotten used to 'being alone', by NOW?

Or, could this 'I' REALLY learn and understand MORE, in order to become BETTER, Itself. After all, this 'I' STILL has a LOT MORE 'being alone' time, especially considering how long 'eternity' will go on more for.

I've already informed you that I came to realise that life is the infinite oneness of being for eternity.

AND, I AGREED WHOLEHEARTEDLY with you when you FIRST INFORMED me of this in our very earliest of discussions.

And so I've just accepted this fact unconditionally, the fact that suffering and pain is an eternal occurrence, and that my wishing this eternal occurrence wasn't happening is a futile waste of energy, so I thought I might as well just be dead inside, which to me, is a better way to deal with being alive.

You have NEVER WONDERED, NOR EVER thought to CONSIDER WHY 'you' feel 'pain AND suffering' and "others" do NOT? Or, have you NEVER WONDERED, NOR CONSIDERED WHERE 'your' OWN 'pain AND suffering' CAME FROM, EXACTLY?

If, and WHEN, you find or work out THE ANSWER to these CLARIFYING questions, then you WILL have the CAUSE, which you can THEN PREVENT from REOCCURRING, EVER AGAIN.

I know that when in deep dreamless sleep which to me is like a state of death, is when pain and suffering seems to be absent, so to me, that state of being unware is the only state that seems to be life's reward.

And yes I can distract myself with all the pleasures that life has to offer, but I've found that these pleasures quickly turn to pain and suffering, so that's no use either, and so I discovered that the best way to deal with life is to be totally numb inside, I discovered a way to live life that felt like I have just injected myself with a huge dose of anaesthesia, even though I hadn't done that literally.

I FOUND that PRETENDING to be NUMB, NEVER Truly WORKED, and that NOT allowing ANY thing to EFFECT 'me' is what REALLY WORKS.

Also, and by the way, Thee True 'I' is NEVER affected by ANY thing, anyway. And this is because 'I' ALREADY KNOW how Everything WORKS

[Dontaskme]

I always give myself permission to hate being alive, and that frees me to endure it.

Okay, but what would happen if you ALWAYS gave "yourself" permission to LOVE 'being alive', would that then FREE 'you' to ENJOY life, and living?

I also give myself permission to love life as well, sometimes I love life, sometimes I hate life, mainly I would rather not have to be in a situation where I give myself permission to choose liking life or hating life...I'd rather be unborn, that would be my ideal situation. But as I've come to realise I have no choice but to be in a situation which I did not choose, a situation where I can feel dislike or like, even those I did not choose that situation consciously, the situation just happened without my control, and that to me sucks, in fact life is the most weird experience I have ever known, it's beyond bizarre in my opinion.

Also, and by the way, did you NOT want to take this ENTIRE DISCUSSION to another thread, so as to not derail or distract this thread about FREE WILL?

Yes, but I haven't got a round tuit yet. I can only concentrate on tiny things at a time. Your replies come so thick and fast to me that sometimes I feel like I am inside some kind of out-of-control spinning tornado being thrown around left right and centre until I'm so dizzy, I just have to switch off...and then I forget what I am doing, or supposed to be doing.

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[Age]

I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children.

do the 4 agree?

I do not think it is my place to discuss the private thoughts of my children on the internet Henry.

Are those 'thoughts' so-called "private" because they CHOSE them to be OR because you are making those 'thoughts' "private" here?

Mainly due to the fact that I could not possibly know whether their thoughts are to be genuine or not.

Yes, one can ONLY KNOW when 'thoughts' are genuine and true WHEN one has FULL Trust, Respect, Understanding, Empathy, Loyalty (Honesty) and Openness, with Voluntary Enthusiam with and for EVERY one.

Which, by the way if ANY one has NOT YET NOTICED is what TRUE LOVE REALLY IS, as well.

I can only discuss my own genuine thoughts about reality,

But according to your "logic" above here, we could NOT possibly KNOW whether your thoughts are to be genuine or not.

In fact the 'thought' and CLAIM you just SHARED here could be the MOST NON genuine thought there is, for all we KNOW, correct?

simply because I am the one who knows these thoughts as being a first person direct experience that seems real and genuine for me, I personally come from a place of pure honesty.

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But you could just be completely AND utterly DISINGENUOUS here. Again, for all we KNOW, correct?

Also, and by the way, 'you' ARE, literally, 'a person', and therefore, literally, THEE 'first person', AS WELL.

[Dontaskme]

You have NEVER WONDERED, NOR EVER thought to CONSIDER WHY 'you' feel 'pain AND suffering' and "others" do NOT? Or, have you NEVER WONDERED, NOR CONSIDERED WHERE 'your' OWN 'pain AND suffering' CAME FROM, EXACTLY?

If, and WHEN, you find or work out THE ANSWER to these CLARIFYING questions, then you WILL have the CAUSE, which you can THEN PREVENT from REOCCURRING, EVER AGAIN.

There is no why there is pain and suffering in my experience, the pain is a sure thing, it's obnoxious and a disgusting sensation.

I have no control over pain, except to go under anaesthesia. I understand that pain is something every sentient feeling organism that is alive has to deal with whether they accept it or not, and that there is nothing they can do to prevent it or stop it forever.

So the idea of WHY there is pain is irrelevant in my opinion, there's pain because pain is, there is no WHY about it.

To say others do not feel pain is not the truth, because if I know I feel pain then it's obvious that others do as well.

One cannot prevent pain from ever arising again, like you have implied here. I'm talking about physical tangible pain, not emotional mental pain.

[Age]

Becoming wiser, by gaining more understanding, is just a VERY NATURAL, VERY EASY, and VERY SIMPLE result of just BEING Truly OPEN.

Yes I agree, becoming wiser and gaining more understanding is in my opinion all very easy and simple, when one is truly open to the realisation that life for sentient feeling beings is a harsh cold uncaring unpleasant ordeal from birth to death, and the universe does not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism.

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The CONTRADICTION here could NOT BE MORE GLARINGLY OBVIOUS.

Also, have 'you' FORGOTTEN that that 'I', also known as "dontaskme" here, made the CLAIM that 'It' is the WHOLE ENTIRE Universe, which means that that thee one, and ONLY One, known as "dontasme" here, does NOT give a so-called "shiny shite about the reality of 'a feeling sentient organism'.

This can be see as self-evident in the lives of wild animals, and human activity.

LOTS and LOTS of self-contradictory 'things' can be seen as so-called 'self-evident' when LOOKING AT and OBSERVING 'the way' 'you', adult human beings LOOK AT, SEE, and SAY 'things'.

[Age]

But that is NOT all you can do, OBVIOUSLY. Or, in other words, you are able shorten the length of you 'enduring it ALL'.

'life' does NOT 'have to be' the way you see 'it' now.

Yes it is all I can do,

Are you just PRETENDING, or PLAYING, STUPID here?

Can 'you' REALLY NOT SEE how to SHORTEN one's life?

I can only endure whatever life throws at me, whether it be good fortune or an endless stream of misfortune, in the end, nothing ever matters anyway, because life is a losing game, nothing we gain can be taken to our grave, so in my opinion I might as well just be dead anyway.

Okay, if 'you' SAY and BELIEVE SO.

[Dontaskme]

But according to your "logic" above here, we could NOT possibly KNOW whether your thoughts are to be genuine or not.

In fact the 'thought' and CLAIM you just SHARED here could be the MOST NON genuine thought there is, for all we KNOW, correct?

For fucks sake, I can only know my own thoughts are genuine. I cannot know whether another persons thoughts are genuine, I can only know my thoughts are genuine. Do you not understand that?

Do you not understand that no one has access to another persons thought stream. We only have access to our own first persons direct experience of knowing thoughts and their associated meaning.

[Age]

I always give myself permission to hate being alive, and that frees me to endure it.

Okay, but what would happen if you ALWAYS gave "yourself" permission to LOVE 'being alive', would that then FREE 'you' to ENJOY life, and living?

I also give myself permission to love life as well, sometimes I love life, sometimes I hate life, mainly I would rather not have to be in a situation where I give myself permission to choose liking life or hating life...

SO, WHY do you do 'you' put "yourself" in that POSITION then?

I'd rather be unborn, that would be my ideal situation. But as I've come to realise I have no choice but to be in a situation which I did not choose,

'FOR CHRIST SAKE', as some would say, Are 'you' 'a child' or 'an adult'?

a situation where I can feel dislike or like, even those I did not choose that situation consciously, the situation just happened without my control, and that to me sucks, in fact life is the most weird experience I have ever known, it's beyond bizarre in my opinion.

This is ABSOLUTELY OBVIOUS, from the way you speak here.

Also, and by the way, did you NOT want to take this ENTIRE DISCUSSION to another thread, so as to not derail or distract this thread about FREE WILL?

Yes, but I haven't got a round tuit yet.

OBVIOUSLY. That is WHY I asked you the question, when I did.

Also, REALLY, HOW LONG does it take 'one' to just STOP talking in one thread and just START talking in another thread?

I can only concentrate on tiny things at a time. Your replies come so thick and fast to me that sometimes I feel like I am inside some kind of out-of-control spinning tornado being thrown around left right and centre until I'm so dizzy, I just have to switch off...and then I forget what I am doing, or supposed to be doing.

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Okay.

[Dontaskme]

Becoming wiser, by gaining more understanding, is just a VERY NATURAL, VERY EASY, and VERY SIMPLE result of just BEING Truly OPEN.

Yes I agree, becoming wiser and gaining more understanding is in my opinion all very easy and simple, when one is truly open to the realisation that life for sentient feeling beings is a harsh cold uncaring unpleasant ordeal from birth to death, and the universe does not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism. That's what I am trying to tell you. I don't care, and I do care at the same time, and is why life is a complete and utter mind fuck in my opinion.

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The CONTRADICTION here could NOT BE MORE GLARINGLY OBVIOUS.

Also, have 'you' FORGOTTEN that that 'I', also known as "dontaskme" here, made the CLAIM that 'It' is the WHOLE ENTIRE Universe, which means that that thee one, and ONLY One, known as "dontasme" here, does NOT give a so-called "shiny shite about the reality of 'a feeling sentient organism'.

Yes, that is right, I do not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism that I am, is'n't that wonderful? It's wonderful to me because it's so liberating that I can hardly contain the bliss that comes with not giveing a fuck about my thoughts and feelings.

This can be see as self-evident in the lives of wild animals, and human activity.

LOTS and LOTS of self-contradictory 'things' can be seen as so-called 'self-evident' when LOOKING AT and OBSERVING 'the way' 'you', adult human beings LOOK AT, SEE, and SAY 'things'.

Not really, just pure self-evident observations, which are always relative to the observer, inseparable from.

[Age]

But according to your "logic" above here, we could NOT possibly KNOW whether your thoughts are to be genuine or not.

In fact the 'thought' and CLAIM you just SHARED here could be the MOST NON genuine thought there is, for all we KNOW, correct?

For fucks sake, I can only know my own thoughts are genuine.

You CLAIMED that you can NOT even KNOW if the thoughts, of your very OWN children, are genuine or not. But now you seem SURPRISED that "others", on a forum of all places like this one, when they question 'you' if about your thoughts being genuine or not.

And, OF COURSE, ONLY the 'one', literally, of the 'thoughts' can KNOW if those thoughts are Truly genuine or not.

But even then I wonder how much 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, even NOTICE when those thoughts within those bodies are DISINGENUOUS or GENUINE.

I cannot know whether another persons thoughts are genuine, I can only know my thoughts are genuine. Do you not understand that?

Are you even ABLE to TELL us who and what this one IS, which has 'its' OWN thoughts?

When, and IF, you EVER work out that 'I' have KNOWN this BEFORE I came into this thread, then you WILL CLEARLY SEE that I have been UNDERSTANDING FAR, FAR MORE than 'you' could have even IMAGINED, in the days when this was being written.

Do you not understand that no one has access to another persons thought stream.

ACTUALLY there IS ONE, and that One is thee one and ONLY One, sometimes referred to as Consciousness, or thee Mind, Itself.

Also, did you NOT read where I wrote about HOW one can KNOW if "another's" thoughts are genuine or NOT? Or, did you NOT SEE that part?

Please do NOT FORGET that I write in a way that can VERY EASILY MANIPULATE those who JUMP to ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSION before they real ALL of what I write or when they are NOT Truly OPEN when they are reading thee ACTUAL WORDS that I WRITE and USE.

We only have access to our own first persons direct experience of knowing thoughts and their associated meaning.

VERY True, and this is the REASON WHY I say that thee ACTUAL Truth can be KNOWN, VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY.

But STILL, since the day I came into this forum, NOT one of 'you' has EVER even thought to just ask a CLARIFYING QUESTION about this.

[Dontaskme]

Are you just PRETENDING, or PLAYING, STUPID here?

I can play any role I want to, I can play the role of pretending I do not exist, or pretending I do exist, anything is possible when you have knowledge of some role playing action..

Can 'you' REALLY NOT SEE how to SHORTEN one's life?

To me, one doesn't have a life, one is life. And life to me, is short, and yet is eternal, it's short in the sense that when the body stops functioning there is no more awareness of being alive until the sensation of aliveness reappears in another body, which to me gives the illsuion of life being very long as opposed to being short.

[Age]

Becoming wiser, by gaining more understanding, is just a VERY NATURAL, VERY EASY, and VERY SIMPLE result of just BEING Truly OPEN.

Yes I agree, becoming wiser and gaining more understanding is in my opinion all very easy and simple, when one is truly open to the realisation that life for sentient feeling beings is a harsh cold uncaring unpleasant ordeal from birth to death, and the universe does not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism. That's what I am trying to tell you. I don't care, and I do care at the same time, and is why life is a complete and utter mind fuck in my opinion.

But 'you' can 'try' as much as you like to say some 'thing', but what thee ACTUAL Truth is can STILL be SEEN here.

You can CLAIM to NOT care till the day that body stops breathing and pumping blood. BUT, the Fact that you will NOT STOP 'trying' and 'trying' to be EXPRESS and BE HEARD SHOWS and REVEALS just how much you Truly DO CARE.

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The CONTRADICTION here could NOT BE MORE GLARINGLY OBVIOUS.

Also, have 'you' FORGOTTEN that that 'I', also known as "dontaskme" here, made the CLAIM that 'It' is the WHOLE ENTIRE Universe, which means that that thee one, and ONLY One, known as "dontasme" here, does NOT give a so-called "shiny shite about the reality of 'a feeling sentient organism'.

Yes, that is right, I do not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism that I am, is'n't that wonderful?

To 'who', EXACTLY?

It's wonderful to me because it's so liberating that I can hardly contain the bliss that comes with not giveing a fuck about my thoughts and feelings.

But those 'thoughts' AND 'feelings' HAVE TO BE that 'I', according to that 'I''s "logic" here, correct?

This can be see as self-evident in the lives of wild animals, and human activity.

LOTS and LOTS of self-contradictory 'things' can be seen as so-called 'self-evident' when LOOKING AT and OBSERVING 'the way' 'you', adult human beings LOOK AT, SEE, and SAY 'things'.

Not really, just pure self-evident observations, which are always relative to the observer, inseparable from.

Have 'you' ever heard me SAY that;

Absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer?

If you have, then who AND what thee 'observer' is, EXACTLY, makes a LOT of DIFFERENCE.

[Age]

Are you just PRETENDING, or PLAYING, STUPID here?

I can play any role I want to,

I KNOW 'you' can. and that is WHY I posed and asked the CLARIFYING QUESTION, to 'you'.

I can play the role of pretending I do not exist, or pretending I do exist, anything is possible when you have knowledge of some role playing action.

AGAIN, I KNOW. And, AGAIN, that is WHY 'I' posed and asked 'you' the CLARIFYING QUESTION, which I did here.

Can 'you' REALLY NOT SEE how to SHORTEN one's life?

To me, one doesn't have a life, one is life.

Okay. Can 'you' REALLY NOT SEE how to SHORTEN life?

And life to me, is short, and yet is eternal,

To me, life is relatively short, while Life is eternal. Which is WHY I have been writing those words the way that I have been.

it's short in the sense that when the body stops functioning there is no more awareness of being alive until the sensation of aliveness reappears in another body, which to me gives the illsuion of life being very long as opposed to being short.

Okay. But was all this just for ANOTHER DISTRACTION to NOT just answer CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, or is there some point that you would like to EXPRESS here?