free will: yep, another thread about 'that'...

[Dontaskme]

But 'children', themselves, are NEVER morons NOR idiots. ONLY 'you', adult humans, can be so-called "morons" AND "idiots" sometimes, by the moronic and stupid things that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, sometimes do do.

But don't you see....that when you claim that adults can be sometimes idiots and morons....that's the problem right there, if adults know this, then why do they think it is right to make a child that will have to endure these so called morons and idiots as parents...why would an intelligence such as life do that to itself?

Just because you like being alive doesn't mean that we all do, I hate being alive, I think it's gross, and look forward to dying. In fact I wished I'd never been born, but it was my idiot parents that made that choice, the truth is we can choose not to have a child, but no one seems to want to leave the unborn alone, instead the morons want to create more morons.

I just happen to think it's better to have never lived than live, and that's perfectly ok to do so, and no I did not have abusive parents, my parents were very loving people, and so am I. I love the idea of not creating any more suffering and pain, by imposing it on another life.

I feel tremendous guilt for having 4 children, I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children. All I've done is create more pain and suffering and that makes me sad sometimes. I did it because I was selfish, I did it so I wouldn't have to feel the pain of being alone, it was very selfish of me, and I feel so much guilt about it.

Anyways, eventually I learnt how to deal with the pain of being alone, by dying while I live, that's where I'm at right now, I'm comfortably numb. All without drugs, or meds, and without that invented loving God that the religious freaks cling to.

I'm like a lion that wanders through the wilderness with half it's body torn to shreds from battle that just doesn't seem to have a care in the world...but wanders on regardless all alone in the world with no idea where it's next meal is going to come from, and just plods along being totally oblivious that it will one day die and no longer have to endure it's life.

[henry quirk]

I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children.

do the 4 agree?

[Age]

Age you are using a lot of HOW - WHO - WHAT and WHY words above...

When 'you' say, "a lot", in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

If I told you the answers to these words, you will not believe the answers I give you...because you have already declared that you have no beliefs.

I will NOT 'believe' the answers 'you' give 'me' NOT because I ALREADY have NO 'beliefs', but rather because I neither 'believe' NOR 'disbelieve' ANY thing.

So what's the point in you and I discussing anything at all, so all I can say to you is that you do not need to seek answers from me here, when you already know the truth of things in the me that is you there.

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But the 'me', which is 'that body', is NOT the 'you' here, in 'this body'. And NEVER will be.

Thee 'I' is NEVER 'different', but the 'you' and 'me' ARE.

Oh, and by the way, the point in 'you' and 'I' discussing ANY thing at all, to me, is that by doing so I am able to learn how to DISCUSS with, and be UNDERSTOOD, BETTER by, 'you', human beings.

Look, if you feel like you have this need to learn to be understood and be a better human being, then good for you,

Do you KNOW WHY 'you', human beings, MISINTERPRET or MISCONSTRUE what I write AS OFTEN as 'you' do.

I, VERY CLEARLY, NEVER said ANY thing about being "a better human being". YET, this is what you SAW, and READ.

but I do not have such a need,

There was NEVER EVER mentioning of 'need' ANYWHERE, NEITHER.

I am already at perfect peace with reality,

YET, it is who you find life, and living, SO MISERABLE that you WISH you were NEVER born, and do NOT WISH life on ANY one, ALSO.

I do not desire betterness, or to become wiser andmore understanding, because what the fucking use is that going to be for me, I'm already the whole entire universE.

YET, you CONTINUALLY CLAIM there is NO 'I'.

I live like I'm already DEAD...nothing ever happens in death that can be known.

There is PLENTY that happens in 'death' that can be KNOWN, and which IS ALREADY KNOWN. But, ONLY the ones that are Truly ALIVE can KNOW this.

So what's the fucking point in striving to be wiser and more understanding when everything is fucking dead anyway.

But there is NO 'striving' here. Well NOT from my perspective ANYWAY.

Becoming wiser, by gaining more understanding, is just a VERY NATURAL, VERY EASY, and VERY SIMPLE result of just BEING Truly OPEN.

[Age]

Age, just so you know...I live my life like I'm already DEAD...OK

Okay, but I ALREADY KNEW that.

You TOLD us that in your last post here, in this thread.

That's how I cope with this lunatic asylum that is sentient life.

But sentient life is Truly BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL. Or, in other words, Truly FULL of BEAUTY and FULL of WONDER.

But, then again, I do LOOK AT and SEE 'things' VERY DIFFERENTLY than 'you', adult human beings, did, back in those days when this was being written.

I have feelings about life but that does not mean I want to kill myself,

There was NEVER even a suggestion that 'you' had even contemplated killing "yourself", NOR even thought about you doing that AT ALL, well NOT from me here anyway.

By the way, if you Truly did want to so-call " kill "your" 'self' ", then you would have ALREADY done that.

I always give myself permission to hate being alive, and that frees me to endure it.

Okay, but what would happen if you ALWAYS gave "yourself" permission to LOVE 'being alive', would that then FREE 'you' to ENJOY life, and living?

By the way, the ACTUAL WORDS that 'you', human beings, use HAVE FAR MORE 'impact' or 'influence', and even CONTROL over 'you' than 'you' YET HAD REALIZED in the days when this was being written.

Also, and by the way, did you NOT want to take this ENTIRE DISCUSSION to another thread, so as to not derail or distract this thread about FREE WILL?

[Age]

What does that emoji mean, to you?

that there is the laughin' till I cry smiley

And, WHY did you use that one here?

cuz I quoted you sayin' quoting correctly incorrectly, and that's damn funny

But the VERY reason I said, 'thank you for quoting correctly THIS TIME', was because you RARELY EVER DO.

So, you INCORRECTLY quoting AGAIN was NOT funny AT ALL, well NOT to me anyway. As this is just what you NORMALLY or USUALLY do, ANYWAY, which has NEVER been funny ANY time before.

Do you NORMALLY laugh AT "others", or AT "yourself", when another thanks you for doing some 'thing' CORRECTLY, and then when you PURPOSELY go out of your way to do that SAME INCORRECT 'thing', AGAIN?

[Age]

But 'children', themselves, are NEVER morons NOR idiots. ONLY 'you', adult humans, can be so-called "morons" AND "idiots" sometimes, by the moronic and stupid things that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, sometimes do do.

But don't you see....that when you claim that adults can be sometimes idiots and morons....that's the problem right there,

What, EXACTLY, 'is' 'the problem', right 'where', EXACTLY?

What does the word 'problem' even mean or refer to, EXACTLY, to you?

To me, there was LITERALLY NO 'problem' ABSOLUTELY ANYWHERE in ANY thing that I said, 'there above', here.

if adults know this, then why do they think it is right to make a child that will have to endure these so called morons and idiots as parents...

BUT, so-called "parents" are NEVER 'morons' NOR 'idiots'.

There REALLY IS SO MUCH MORE that 'you', human beings, have to LEARN, UNDERSTAND, and COMPREHEND in regards to thee ACTUAL WORDS that I USE here. Which can, and WILL, ONLY be ACHIEVED when 'you' START CLARIFYING, with 'Me', what do these WORDS ACTUAL mean or are ACTUALLY referring to here. Or, I continue learning how to be BETTER UNDERSTOOD, by 'you', human beings.

why would an intelligence such as life do that to itself?

Just because 'one' becomes a so-called 'parent' or 'adult' does NOT mean that that 'one' then HAS TO go out and do 'moronic' NOR 'stupid' things, AT ALL.

'you', ALL can CHOOSE to do otherwise, if you REALLY so wished to. Or, are some of 'you' STILL under some BELIEF that 'you' REALLY can NOT CHOOSE what to do?

Just because you like being alive doesn't mean that we all do, I hate being alive, I think it's gross, and look forward to dying.

We KNOW.

We KNOW that just because one likes being alive does NOT mean that ABSOLUTELY ANY one "else" does. And,

We KNOW that the one known here as "dontaskme" just HATES being alive. As 'you' continually TELL us, and well as continually ALLUDE to this Fact.

In fact I wished I'd never been born,

AGAIN, we KNOW.

This types of things are MUCH SIMPLER and MUCH EASIER to REMEMBER, than say those other things like how 'you', PERSONALLY define the 'illusory' word, and especially so when 'you' CHANGE the definition as often as you do.

But what 'you' HATE and WISH FOR, relatively, CHANGES NEVER in comparison to how often 'you' CHANGE the definition/s of the words you use. As can be CLEARLY SEEN, evidenced, and PROVED above.

but it was my idiot parents that made that choice, the truth is we can choose not to have a child, but no one seems to want to leave the unborn alone, instead the morons want to create more morons.

This is a MUCH EASIER thing to say, and DO, when you can NOT have babies ANYMORE, CORRECT?

Were you SAYING and EXPRESSING these views or BELIEFS when 'you' WERE HAVING BABIES? Or, have you ONLY just now STARTED EXPRESSING these views?

If it is the later, then THE ANSWER to YOUR QUESTION: "I do not desire to become better, nor to become wiser and understand more, because what the fucking use is that going to be for me, I'm already the whole entire universe", might just be because, when that 'I' does become wiser, naturally, from just existing longer, to THEN INFORM the 'parts' of that 'I' what the Right or BETTER things to do ARE, EXACTLY. Then, in that way, the WHOLE, or in other words, 'I' can and WILL become BETTER, NATURALLY.

I just happen to think it's better to have never lived than live, and that's perfectly ok to do so,

But, if that 'I' is 'The WHOLE ENTIRE Universe', then HOW could that 'I' EVER NOT live?

And, whatever thee 'I' 'thinks' is ALWAYS PERFECTLY okay to do so, BECAUSE whatever 'thoughts' arise or occur within a 'body', then this is PERFECTLY NATURAL BECAUSE this is just WHAT HAPPENS, especially considering what EACH and EVERY one of those 'bodies' has experienced, and/or endured, (depending on the circumstances, of course).

and no I did not have abusive parents, my parents were very loving people, and so am I.

But, it WILL BE UNCOVERED, EVERY parent, and adult, abuses, and EVERY child was/is abused.

But, 'you', human beings, are STILL some way away from learning and SEEING this Fact.

I love the idea of not creating any more suffering and pain, by imposing it on another life.

But, as I keep REMINDING 'you', human beings, Life, Itself, NEVER imposes ANY 'suffering' AT ALL. It is ONLY 'you', adult human beings, who IMPOSES 'suffering' on "others", especially children, and thus on "yourselves", inevitably.

I feel tremendous guilt for having 4 children, I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children. All I've done is create more pain and suffering and that makes me sad sometimes. I did it because I was selfish, I did it so I wouldn't have to feel the pain of being alone, it was very selfish of me, and I feel so much guilt about it.

Okay, but WHERE ALL of this is coming from, EXACTLY, is VERY OBVIOUS, well to me anyway.

Anyways, eventually I learnt how to deal with the pain of being alone, by dying while I live, that's where I'm at right now, I'm comfortably numb.

Just WONDERING, HOW can the WHOLE ENTIRE Universe ACTUALLY 'be alone', and have 'pain' from 'being alone'.

I ALREADY KNOW that thee 'I', WHOLE ENTIRE Universe, is the one and ONLY One singular, nondual Thing that could and does exist ALWAYS, but 'being alone' would be VERY MUCH EXPECTED, would it now?

And, considering the Fact that this Oneness, or Lonesomeness, extends out FOR EVER, and lasts FOR ETERNITY, has that 'I' REALLY NOT gotten used to 'being alone', by NOW?

Or, could this 'I' REALLY learn and understand MORE, in order to become BETTER, Itself. After all, this 'I' STILL has a LOT MORE 'being alone' time, especially considering how long 'eternity' will go on more for.

All without drugs, or meds, and without that invented loving God that the religious freaks cling to.

WHY are those HUMAN BEINGS so-called "freaks" but those HUMAN BEINGS who invented the "death is BETTER than life" scenario, which the religious BELIEVERS cling to are NOT so-called "freaks"? Or, are those HUMAN BEINGS "freaks" as well, to you?

I'm like a lion that wanders through the wilderness with half it's body torn to shreds from battle that just doesn't seem to have a care in the world...

So, the WHOLE ENTIRE Universe is also like a lion ..., correct?

but wanders on regardless all alone in the world with no idea where it's next meal is going to come from, and just plods along being totally oblivious that it will one day die and no longer have to endure it's life.

This is just because most non human animals are usually just 'living in the moment', as some say.

They do NOT invent ideas, which they BELIEVE are true, and which they then cling to those BELIEFS, like 'you', adult human beings, do.

[Age]

I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children.

do the 4 agree?

EXCELLENT Truly OPEN CLARIFYING question here "henry quirk".

[Dontaskme]

But sentient life is Truly BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL. Or, in other words, Truly FULL of BEAUTY and FULL of WONDER.

It's also a horror.

And just because I think it's a horror, doesn't detract from it's beauty and wonder. I just like to incude everything I can think of to describe reality. I'm not particularly drawn into any fixed mode of idea about it. I can only report what I see, and sometimes I do not like what I see, and other times I do like what I see. And quite frankly, I happen to believe it's not worth the price of admission, but then I never asked to be born, so all I can do is endure it all until the end.

[Dontaskme]

YET, it is who you find life, and living, SO MISERABLE that you WISH you were NEVER born, and do NOT WISH life on ANY one, ALSO.

Well if MISERABLE is the label you want to place on my being for wishing there was no such reality as a human sentient feeling creature capable of feeling pain and suffering, then that just further increases my point in wondering why humans even want to increase the population into a reality full of miserable people.

But that's just your own projection, and not my actual reality, and while it is true I have opinions on why I would rather have not been born, those opinions have absolutely no adverse effect on me whatsoever, I still function perfectly well like everyone else who is alive. I am at perfect peace with life, I accept every single thought I have about it unconditionally. In fact I've never felt so mentally balanced and well in my entire life as I do right now.

I live like I'm already dead, I've got nothing to lose because I came to realise I never was born in the first place, and that this I that I cling onto is not personal, although suffering and pain is a real experience, it's just not personal, I also know that the unborn do not suffer the pain of life, and is why death is so appealing to me.

I happen to think that the best way to live life is to be dead inside, but that's labled as misery by some people, but to me, it's my perfect heaven, and I cannot be any other way, just because someone else thinks it's not the right way to be.
I learnt how to be the way that made me feel at one with nature, and not a way that other people wanted me to feel.

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[Dontaskme]

Were you SAYING and EXPRESSING these views or BELIEFS when 'you' WERE HAVING BABIES? Or, have you ONLY just now STARTED EXPRESSING these views?

Unfortunately I did not have these views at the time I was having babies. I later developed a realisation that having babies was a selfish idea, but by the time I realised the selfishness it was too late. I wish I could have known then what I know now, but it's too late I've imposed the experience of having to live and grow old on 4 more lives, and all I can feel now is pain for them for what I have imposed upon them and for what they have to go through all because of my selfishness.

[Dontaskme]

And, considering the Fact that this Oneness, or Lonesomeness, extends out FOR EVER, and lasts FOR ETERNITY, has that 'I' REALLY NOT gotten used to 'being alone', by NOW?

Or, could this 'I' REALLY learn and understand MORE, in order to become BETTER, Itself. After all, this 'I' STILL has a LOT MORE 'being alone' time, especially considering how long 'eternity' will go on more for.

I've already informed you that I came to realise that life is the infinite oneness of being for eternity.

And so I've just accepted this fact unconditionally, the fact that suffering and pain is an eternal occurrence, and that my wishing this eternal occurrence wasn't happening is a futile waste of energy, so I thought I might as well just be dead inside, which to me, is a better way to deal with being alive. I know that when in deep dreamless sleep which to me is like a state of death, is when pain and suffering seems to be absent, so to me, that state of being unware is the only state that seems to be life's reward.

And yes I can distract myself with all the pleasures that life has to offer, but I've found that these pleasures quickly turn to pain and suffering, so that's no use either, and so I discovered that the best way to deal with life is to be totally numb inside, I discovered a way to live life that felt like I have just injected myself with a huge dose of anaesthesia, even though I hadn't done that literally.

[Dontaskme]

I was very stupid and idiotic to have imposed life on those 4 children.

do the 4 agree?

I do not think it is my place to discuss the private thoughts of my children on the internet Henry. Mainly due to the fact that I could not possibly know whether their thoughts are to be genuine or not.

I can only discuss my own genuine thoughts about reality, simply because I am the one who knows these thoughts as being a first person direct experience that seems real and genuine for me, I personally come from a place of pure honesty.

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[Age]

But sentient life is Truly BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL. Or, in other words, Truly FULL of BEAUTY and FULL of WONDER.

It's also a horror.

Sorry, I forgot to add, 'to me'.

And just because I think it's a horror, doesn't detract from it's beauty and wonder. I just like to incude everything I can think of to describe reality.

I did by using the word 'wonderful'.

The perceived 'horror' and/or 'horrible' 'things' also makes me 'wonder'.

I'm not particularly drawn into any fixed mode of idea about it. I can only report what I see, and sometimes I do not like what I see, and other times I do like what I see.

I am the EXACT SAME. Sometimes i do NOT like what I SEE, like for example; the abuse 'you', adult human beings, do upon children.

And quite frankly, I happen to believe it's not worth the price of admission, but then I never asked to be born, so all I can do is endure it all until the end.

But that is NOT all you can do, OBVIOUSLY. Or, in other words, you are able shorten the length of you 'enduring it ALL'.

'life' does NOT 'have to be' the way you see 'it' now.

[Dontaskme]

Becoming wiser, by gaining more understanding, is just a VERY NATURAL, VERY EASY, and VERY SIMPLE result of just BEING Truly OPEN.

Yes I agree, becoming wiser and gaining more understanding is in my opinion all very easy and simple, when one is truly open to the realisation that life for sentient feeling beings is a harsh cold uncaring unpleasant ordeal from birth to death, and the universe does not give a shiny shite about the reality of a feeling sentient organism. This can be see as self-evident in the lives of wild animals, and human activity.

[Dontaskme]

But that is NOT all you can do, OBVIOUSLY. Or, in other words, you are able shorten the length of you 'enduring it ALL'.

'life' does NOT 'have to be' the way you see 'it' now.

Yes it is all I can do, I can only endure whatever life throws at me, whether it be good fortune or an endless stream of misfortune, in the end, nothing ever matters anyway, because life is a losing game, nothing we gain can be taken to our grave, so in my opinion I might as well just be dead anyway.