Imperefct God

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pm I can only report how I'm feeling, and what I am seeing. I'm always honest about that to others and myself. Yes, my surround is constantly changing, and so I usually have to adjust my reporting accordingly.
But it's all an illusion, according to you... so, how is there honesty in an illusion?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pmI would not want to be someone from North Korea that's for sure. How about you?
Why not? I think there is a perfection throughout all. Maybe what you see is what you get.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pm Yes, I was lost but now I'm found, that's right. So what?
It's a story. People are continually lost to other ways that they have yet to find. Why make a static, dramatic story about it as if it validates one's currently limited state?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pm Have I ever ran away from this forum, or the responses I get from people like you and others, no I haven't.
Yes. You run away with your mind: you turn your back on whatever you've just claimed because someone shows that it doesn't make sense -- so you skitter off to the next claim that you claim to "know". Your last point of refuge is always the "no one and nothing exists" and/or "knowledge is an illusion" argument. Then in short order, you're back to making claims about what you know. And you suggest that this is honesty. :lol:
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:12 pmHow long have you been insane? Do you remember the breaking point?
Yes, I remember the exact day, it was when I was about 5 years old and I witnessed this boy smashing a live cat he was holding into a brick wall and then just burst out laughing as it helplessly whimpered. My first reaction was to gasp in horror and wonder what the fucking hell is this hell hole.
We've all seen terrible things. Just as we've seen wonderful things. Of course, it's ALL there. What do you allow to break you? What do you focus on? What do you take seriously? What do you create?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:32 pmAnyways, I'm all grown up now, but nothing really improved much.
Who/what is responsible for your experience?

It seems ridiculous to me when people blame the world for their discontent or disgust. That is their narrowly-focused VIEW on a vast canvas of amazing possibility. It's an excuse and rationale for one's own limitation -- to claim that their view is ALL there is, or that it's the real and only truth! Such is obviously limited, blind, and stupid... while professing itself to be uniquely knowing!

If you're continually telling stories -- that even you can't keep straight -- it seems you prefer them (such as the self-glorifying lost and found story) over broader realization. And your definition of honesty is "whatever you feel in the moment"... even if that's based on nonsense and delusion. You create all of it. You say that it sucks. Hmm.... 8)
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Life sucks…anyone who denies the obvious is an idiot.


Oh but it’s just so much more than my limited view, it’s got so much potential…blah blah blah….

Hey

Whatever floats your life boat lacewing…you’re welcome to love it with all your heart, but you ain’t going to convince me.

Thanks for the endless stream of your condescending gob shite. I know you love to play the little miss fix it woman of the year role.

Barf!

There’s no bag on earth big enough to contain all the sick I want to upchuck listening to you drone on and on…
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:37 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:49 pm
So we don't agree. I could not be enjoying my life more and would not change a thing about it or the world I live in if I could. It was what I know about the world that makes that possible.

What do your views of the world do for you? If they do not make you able to live and enjoy life, perhaps you are mistaken.
Personally, I've hated pretty much every year I have been alive, I've only ever pretended to be ok with it. I very much look forward to the time when my body dies and I am no longer alive anymore having to live in this cesspool of an existence. I've always been a brutally honest person and sometimes that has got me into some trouble. I wasn't ever afraid to be honest, but I soon discovered that my honesty made other people feel uncomfortable, other people would dislike me. But that was fine by me, because I never had any problem with my own company, I always faired better alone, than I did when I was with others.

I'm happy to wait for nature to take it's death course on me, as I hate the thought of self-harm, I've never self-harmed myself, and wouldn't dream of it. So for me, the only good thing about being alive, is knowing that it will one day end, and hopefully I will never have to live this experience ever again. But then, as long as the human race continue to breed, who knows who will spawn next...and that's another thing I hate about life...the thought of being born in a country like Afganistan, or North Korea, or America...It's all so gross to think about. So in reality there is nothing I can do about being born, it is what it is, I'm comfortably numb about it, what choice do I have but to endure it. I used to think that life was a beautiful miracle, an experience that was well worth the price of admission, but then I instinctively knew I was only deluding and forcing myself to take that view. So one day I just decided to surrender to my real feelings and stopped pretending. That's when I just decided to accept reality for what it actually is, and not what I wishfully painted it to be. I then totally let go, and surrended, in other words I died. I'm now in heaven, and I feel pretty much ok, my life turned out to have a happy ending all in all.



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You have found some truths, and there are more truths that await your finding them. Therefore your life is about finding truths and that is good.
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Belinda wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:47 am
Greatest I am wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:22 pm
Belinda wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:42 am
I myself believe Xianity is better than Islam or communism, but I am in no way an authority.
Where do you live?

Who is denying you your adult birth rite of self authority?

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I am partial to the authority of Academia. Academia has warned me to be sceptical about everything including Academia.
Goody good.

You have not really given it up or been denied your rite.

Just making sure your rite was safe.

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gaffo wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:29 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:52 am
gaffo wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:43 am you cna just deny they were "Real" theists all you want
I don't have to. Christ denies that they are His. I just take His word for that.
thats the easy way out.
No, that's the Christian way to discern the truth of the matter.
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RCSaunders wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:00 pm
Dubious wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:58 am
RCSaunders wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:49 pmI could not be enjoying my life more and would not change a thing about it or the world I live in if I could.
Amazing you can't even see the contradiction! You note Mencken as saying, the average man never really thinks from end to end of his life and yet you claim I could not be enjoying my life more and would not change a thing about it or the world I live in if I could making this the best possible world as far as you're personally concerned! It's the default conclusion of the many millions like you who in their enjoyment of life avoid any mental inclination to examine it further.

You have much more in common with Mencken's average man definition than you suppose, whose main problem may be a series of golf handicaps.

As long as I'm doing fine and enjoying life...

God's in his heaven—
All's right with the world!


Among the majority of humans, this kind of nonchalance amounting to hypocrisy resolves to being a Categorical Imperative.
I cannot be happy about anyone whose life is such a failure they resent the success of others. I'm sorry if you do not like reality and have not found life satisfying. It cannot be satisfying while evading reality's requirements to learn all one can possibly learn and working to produce all a human life requires in this world to live successfully and happily. Life is not easy and can be neither successful or satisfying except by constant effort, willingly facing every challenge and risk because only that kind of life is worth living, a life of continuous hard work, learning, adventure and discovery, but only available to those willing to pay the price. You do have to, "earn," it.

Apparently you are not willing to do that.

Since you know nothing about what I think and believe, please review, especially the links to my views, "What I Don't Believe."
Strange and half ad hom as well that you presume to know what my life is like when I never gave any such reference. Are you just another practicing distortionist in the art of self-defense like its forum master, IC?

You often give the impression that reality is centralized in your own world views and life style and what doesn't conform is something of a mistake. The fact that life and fate manifests itself in a million different ways doesn't seem to impress you very much. There are many responsible or at least half responsible for their lives but many, in this world, who are not. Is that too much for you to acknowledge?

It's also impossible not to know, at least to some extent, how you think and what you believe after so many posts. After making such stupid, unfounded assumptions, researching your beliefs based on your link isn't worth the effort. From what I've read of your posts you're a good fit with Mencken's definition of the average man...one completely self-satisfied and impressed with himself!

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Dubious wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:29 pm ... you presume to know what my life is like ...
I have no idea what your life is like. I only have what you have said to go by. I hope I'm mistaken and that you are enjoying you life as I am.
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RCSaunders wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:24 am
Dubious wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:29 pm ... you presume to know what my life is like ...
I have no idea what your life is like. I only have what you have said to go by. I hope I'm mistaken and that you are enjoying you life as I am.
I never gave you any indication what my life is like, unlike you who keep advertising how happy you are never shy of affirming your success at it!

Good on you! May you rest happy wrapped in your own little cocoon. The outside world requires no further thought, except perhaps what may supplement your enjoyment of it.
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Belinda wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:14 pm
You have found some truths, and there are more truths that await your finding them. Therefore your life is about finding truths and that is good.
Nah, the only truth that was of any good use or value to my life, is knowing it will end

Who knows who is going to spawn at any given time. Spawning shows up everywhere. No thing knows when or where, that knowing is for the spawned to know.

Sigh!
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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:28 pm No, that's the Christian way to discern the truth of the matter.
Who told you you were a Christian?
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RCSaunders wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:00 pm I cannot be happy about anyone whose life is such a failure they resent the success of others.
Gosh, imagine gambling with that scenario, a failed life or a successful life. And why would you even want to take that gamble? Do you think it is worth the gamble? if you think life is worth the gamble, not saying you do, but if you do, do you think people have the right to impose what they think is worth the gamble onto others through procreation? Why wake the dead, when they have no need or requirement to play the game at all? who is better off here?
RCSaunders wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:00 pmLife is not easy
Oh really, it's even better when one isn't being dragged into the struggle in the first place.

RCSaunders wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:00 pm Life is not easy and can be neither successful or satisfying except by constant effort, willingly facing every challenge and risk because only that kind of life is worth living, a life of continuous hard work, learning, adventure and discovery, but only available to those willing to pay the price. You do have to, "earn," it.
Why, because you say so, and because you say so, does that give you the right to impose what you deem worthy, onto someone else?

Define Success? There are many definitions..

Here's one...House flies delight in unhygienic places, and their maggots feed on rotting food and other human waste. House flies have been around for 250 million years. .
Crocodiles today look the same as they did 200 million years ago ...The Dinosaur era is another success story. Yup, no denying that nature is a very successful meat grinding bug planet. Humans wouldn't even be here at all if it hadn't have been for that killer rock, so the story goes.


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Immanuel Can wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:28 pm
gaffo wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:29 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:52 am
I don't have to. Christ denies that they are His. I just take His word for that.
thats the easy way out.
No, that's the Christian way to discern the truth of the matter.
I had the displeasure of watching a particularly ugly ungraceful zebra death. Crocodile ripped its snout and face off, video has over 4 million views on YouTube. That tiny crocodile brain is an evil little thing, it’s got the twist and rip manoeuvre down to a tee after a couple hundred million years of practice. What is perhaps most disappointing was all the people making comments criticising the woman filming the event for expressing her horror and not showing due respect for the brutal killing machine.

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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:08 am
Belinda wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:14 pm
You have found some truths, and there are more truths that await your finding them. Therefore your life is about finding truths and that is good.
Nah, the only truth that was of any good use or value to my life, is knowing it will end

Who knows who is going to spawn at any given time. Spawning shows up everywhere. No thing knows when or where, that knowing is for the spawned to know.

Sigh!
Finitude and knowing finitude is indeed a great good if you are capable of knowing that you will die.Without knowledge of finitude it would be impossible to make any fully conscious decisions. DAM is very conscious of death and suffering and that is an attitude that is indispensable for making personal and political decisions that remove some of the suffering

With regard to the horrible way the Zebra met its death , the zebra could not know it would die horribly someday. But men can look forward and guess and fear. So the zebra lived a happier life than you and I. But the zebra and other animals can't plan for better futures with less dangerous crocodiles.That is how it is.
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