Reality is Inaccessible

[Terrapin Station]

The claim ''Reality is Inaccessible''

Is not a silly thing, it's a fact.

Keep talking to yourself then, I suppose.

[Dontaskme]

You already have all the answers to your questions Age.

You do not need to seek clarification for your own questions... your own need to know knowledge.

Unless you do not believe your own self grown knowledge, or you believe that there are others who have a different knowledge to you, and that this other knowledge exists independently of your own, in that case, either you take those other independant forms of knowledge to be your own, or reject them outright, it's your need, no one elses.

What are you on about now?

I neither believe nor disbelieve ANY thing.

Then you can never know if anything I say to you is true or false, right or wrong, correct or incorrect. If like you beleive, you have no bleiefs about anything you are reading.

So tell me AGE, what are you actually talking about. And who are you responding to, and why are you writing at all, and why are you asking for clarification from others if you have no beliefs about what they are saying, to be true or false or whatever, and why are so insane and crazy?


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[RCSaunders]

It's scientific fact that we don't directly perceive the outside world as it is. This debate is long over, you guys just have something to gain from being science-deniers. Personally I don't consider the inability to handle the truth to be a strength, a virtue.

If you mean by, "we don't directly perceive the outside world," that an entire neurological system is required by produce perception, that is of course true. The neurological system is the means by which one is conscious of everything and not just the, "outside word," as you put it, but the, "inside world," (by interoception) as well. The fact is, the more the neurological system is studied by neurologists and physiologists (real scientists) not psychologists (pseueo-scientists) the more astounding it becomes how perfectly that system makes the representation of what is perceived to consciousness.

While almost no one even questions for a second that cameras are able to produce nearly perfect representations of what is photographed these days, they doubt that the much more sophisticated neurological system's representation to consciousness can be trusted at all. It's absurd and truly a rejection of both reason and science.

[Age]

And, WHY did you once again say that "reality NEVER REPRESENTS ITSELF", AGAIN, when I have ALREADY explained that NO one has even implied this, let alone said this?

I'm simply someone here responding to things you've have said there.

BUT I have NEVER said ANY thing AT ALL that would deserve a response like that.

If you there cannot comprehend or deny what you have said, then that's fine by me here. We have nothing else to discuss. It seems you want to discuss, but it's as though the lights are on in you there, but there is no one home, so we might as well just call the whole thing off, and maybe put the kettle on and make a cup of tea.

You now want to make the claim that I do NOT know what is going on here, so how about you provide where I have said ANY thing that would make you respond with the words, "reality NEVER REPRESENTS ITSELF"and say this twice in fact?

You can run away, on the PRETENSE that it is I who is NOT comprehending what has been happening here, but thee Truth can be very easily and very simply SEEN.

Anyways... thanks for helping me to pass the time, while I'm waiting to die. When all will be as though nothing ever happened.

By the way, I asked you;
WHAT is the actual purpose of you continually wanting to say and repeat these sorts of things, before you "die"?

What is 'it', exactly, that you are hoping to achieve here?

Could reading this be what triggered you to want to run away now?

[Dontaskme]

The claim ''Reality is Inaccessible''

Is not a silly thing, it's a fact.

Keep talking to yourself then, I suppose.

That's basically all one can do, as there is no other reality accessible outside of that arena.

[Age]

The only "dilemma" I'd say I have is people claiming silly things on boards like this.

The claim ''Reality is Inaccessible''

Is not a silly thing, it's a fact.

But it is you who writes things like;

"Reality is ...". And,

"The truth is ...".

Which OBVIOUSLY completely contradicts your claim that 'Reality is inaccessible'.

And this board is the perfect platform to discuss silly or not so silly facts. It just is, really it is.

But is this 'Reality'?

[Dontaskme]

Could reading this be what triggered you to want to run away now?

I'm not running away..

I just wanted to make a drink, is that ok with you. It's hard work talking to you, hard and difficult, not easy, but if it's easy for you, then so be it, if that's what gets you through your day.

[Age]

You may suggest that, but the questions I ask you are about WHY you say and write the things you do.

Beacuse I do.

There is no Y

I do because I do. There's that's Y


Is that ok with you?

But there is a reason WHY.

You OBVIOUSLY are just NOT YET AWARE of WHY.

[Age]

I prefer with Honesty, but ANY way you like to.

I here am always being honest.

Whether you there likes it or not, I here couldn't give a shit.

NOT answering a question is NOT being Honest.

Being Truly Honest is VERY DIFFERENT from just being honest.

[Terrapin Station]

The claim ''Reality is Inaccessible''

Is not a silly thing, it's a fact.

Keep talking to yourself then, I suppose.

That's basically all one can do, as there is no other reality accessible outside of that arena.

People take the short bus to this board.

[Dontaskme]

By the way, I asked you;
WHAT is the actual purpose of you continually wanting to say and repeat these sorts of things, before you "die"?

What is 'it', exactly, that you are hoping to achieve here?

I'm not needing to achieve nothing.

I'm just entertaining myself while I wait to die. I could just do nothing, but then I might as well do something, since I'm here anyway, but obviously when I'm dead, I won't have to bother about entertaining myself, so that's the honest response to the you there who is responding to the me here.

[Age]

Why wouldn't it make sense,

Again, because there would be no grounds for the belief epistemologically (under the stance in question). It would just be arbitrary. And the person couldn't appeal to "conventional usage" of a term, as if they know how other people are using a term, because on their view, they can't actually perceive other people.

Again: yes, there is no certain, universally shared, objective ground. There never was one, people just made it up, as you are making it up now.
And the problem is?

What are you basing the "there is NO certain, universally shared, objective ground" opinion, view, or belief on, EXACTLY, if "there is NO certain, universally shared, objective ground", and "there never was one"?

[Dontaskme]

Keep talking to yourself then, I suppose.

That's basically all one can do, as there is no other reality accessible outside of that arena.

People take the short bus to this board.

There is no journey to take to any place, there is only herenow always. Now here, never moves, where would it move to.

[Dontaskme]

I prefer with Honesty, but ANY way you like to.

I here am always being honest.

Whether you there likes it or not, I here couldn't give a shit.

NOT answering a question is NOT being Honest.

Being Truly Honest is VERY DIFFERENT from just being honest.

Not answering a question is being very honest. It's being truly honest in my world...I do not think you understand...never mind, just keep asking the same questions over and over again, and expecting clarification for the same questions over and over again, it's your need, not mine.

[Age]

And, what is a 'you self', to you?

It's something that you there, thinks is here, and is why you keep responding to it here, because you there seems to believe it's here, else what the heck are you responding to.

LOL So, what the 'you self' is, to you, is what I think it is.

LOOK, you want to make the claim that 'you' BURN with fire, BUT you are completely incapable of clarifying what that 'you' IS, EXACTLY.

If you do NOT even know what 'you' are, then there is NO wonder that you made up through imagination the BELIEF that there is NO 'I'.

Also, you making the claim now that there is a 'you there' and a 'you here' completely contradicts your other claim that there is only a nondual reality.

A 'you there' and a 'you here' means that there really is a dual reality.