Reality is Inaccessible

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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:41 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:17 am
Everything really is just very simple, and easy.
The opposite is also true.
And, to you, what, EXACTLY, is "the opposite" of, 'Everything really is just very simple, and easy".

And, how, EXACTLY, is that "opposite" "also true"?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:41 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:17 amThere is actually absolutely NOTHING complicated in the Universe, except for 'that', which human beings "complicate", or perceive to be "complicated".
We're talking about knowledge here, not humans.
I am STILL just trying my hardest to work out what you are actually talking about here, BEFORE I begin talking about the SAME thing/s as you are.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:41 am To know simple you would also have to know complication for simply to have any associated meaning.
So what?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:41 am So that which is simple is complicated, and that which is complicated is simple.
Will you provide any examples?

Also, just because one may need to know the meaning of one thing to understand or know the meaning of its opposite does NOT mean that 'that', which is simple NEEDS to necessarily also be complicated. This just appears to be just another one of your contradictions.
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:09 pm
And, WHY did you once again say that "reality NEVER REPRESENTS ITSELF", AGAIN, when I have ALREADY explained that NO one has even implied this, let alone said this?

I'm simply someone here responding to things you've have said there.

If you there cannot comprehend or deny what you have said, then that's fine by me here. We have nothing else to discuss. It seems you want to discuss, but it's as though the lights are on in you there, but there is no one home, so we might as well just call the whole thing off, and maybe put the kettle on and make a cup of tea.

Anyways... thanks for helping me to pass the time, while I'm waiting to die. When all will be as though nothing ever happened.
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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:25 am Why wouldn't it make sense,
Again, because there would be no grounds for the belief epistemologically (under the stance in question). It would just be arbitrary. And the person couldn't appeal to "conventional usage" of a term, as if they know how other people are using a term, because on their view, they can't actually perceive other people.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:15 pm The only "dilemma" I'd say I have is people claiming silly things on boards like this.

The claim ''Reality is Inaccessible''

Is not a silly thing, it's a fact.

And this board is the perfect platform to discuss silly or not so silly facts. It just is, really it is.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:42 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:33 amThis "answer" does NOT logically fit in and work with the actual question I asked you.
Then may I suggest you answer your own questions.
You may suggest that, but the questions I ask you are about WHY you say and write the things you do.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:42 am It's that simple, unless you prefer to complicate it.
It is NOT that "simple" when you are the ONLY one with the answers.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:42 am How am I supposed to answer you.
I prefer with Honesty, but ANY way you like to.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:42 am When you say ridiculous things like this >
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:33 amBut fire can NOT burn 'you'.
If fire doesn't burn me, you to you there...then who or what are you actually talking about, because fire defo burns me here, you to you there.
This is only because of how you define the word 'you'.

Which, when fully looked at and delved into that definition does NOT fit in PERFECTLY with Everything as One.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:42 am Fire cannot burn itself, but it can burn a you self.
And, what is a 'you self', to you?
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:28 pm

You may suggest that, but the questions I ask you are about WHY you say and write the things you do.
Beacuse I do.

There is no Y

I do because I do. There's that's Y


Is that ok with you?
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:28 pmI prefer with Honesty, but ANY way you like to.
I here am always being honest.

Whether you there likes it or not, I here couldn't give a shit.
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Terrapin Station wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:24 pm
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:25 am Why wouldn't it make sense,
Again, because there would be no grounds for the belief epistemologically (under the stance in question). It would just be arbitrary. And the person couldn't appeal to "conventional usage" of a term, as if they know how other people are using a term, because on their view, they can't actually perceive other people.
Again: yes, there is no certain, universally shared, objective ground. There never was one, people just made it up, as you are making it up now.
And the problem is?
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:28 pmAnd, what is a 'you self', to you?
It's something that you there, thinks is here, and is why you keep responding to it here, because you there seems to believe it's here, else what the heck are you responding to.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:56 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:33 amBut NOT ALL concepts are known. For example, the concept of 'you' and/or 'I' is NOT known, by you.
Yes they are all known, all concepts are known..
By who and/or what?

And, what is the concept of 'you', known by you?

And, what is the concept of 'I', known by you?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:56 am There is no knowledge of any concept that is not known. Only the known can be known, not the not-known.
So, if there is a concept of 'I' that is known, which you say there is, and only the known can be known, then that means there is an 'I', Self, correct?

You just claimed that there is a 'you', self, so that would mean there is an 'I', Self, also correct?

Also, if you want to claim that there is now a 'self', then that contradicts your previous claims that there is NO 'self'. But, then you say you contradict "yourself" because you do not know what you are talking about and that you only make things up anyway, through the process of imagination, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:56 am You is a concept known, I is a concept known.

I don't think you understand what I am saying, but I don't care, just keep on with the fallacy that is the knowing game. It's the only knowing you know.
OF COURSE I do NOT understand what you are saying. I am trying my hardest to understand what you are saying. This is WHY I ask you very simple Truly OPEN clarifying questions in regards to what you actually say and write.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:08 pm
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:50 am

Will you admit that what you say and claim here could actually be false, wrong, and/or incorrect or partly false, wrong, and/or incorrect?
Any form of knowledge how ever it appears to the knower could be wrong or right, true or false according to belief.

No belief, no story.

Knowledge, and the belief in that knowledge is the only knowing there is...that can be known.

Doesn't matter whether what is known is true, false, wrong, right, incorrect, or correct, concepts are whatever they want or need to mean according to their knower and believer.

In reality, reality has no need for knowledge, ...the universe has no need to exist, the universe just is without ever knowing.

The Need to know, the need to exist, is a man-made up human concept, in this conception...
Yet it was 'you', the human being, who stated that 'I' needed to know some thing.
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:08 pm therefore without those made up concepts aka knowledge, nothing of anything is known, because only known things, aka concepts, can be known...and concepts know nothing.

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The more you 'try to' rationalize and/or justify what you have previously stated and written, the more complex you are making, what is essentially Truly pure simple and easy.
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:41 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:56 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:33 amBut NOT ALL concepts are known. For example, the concept of 'you' and/or 'I' is NOT known, by you.
Yes they are all known, all concepts are known..
By who and/or what?

Already answered, but if you like to play your own parrot game. Then I'll repeat the answer for you again.

The who or what is No one knows.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:17 pm You already have all the answers to your questions Age.

You do not need to seek clarification for your own questions... your own need to know knowledge.

Unless you do not believe your own self grown knowledge, or you believe that there are others who have a different knowledge to you, and that this other knowledge exists independently of your own, in that case, either you take those other independant forms of knowledge to be your own, or reject them outright, it's your need, no one elses.
What are you on about now?

I neither believe nor disbelieve ANY thing.
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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:38 pm Again: yes, there is no certain, universally shared, objective ground.
why would you be talking about certainty?
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Age wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:44 pm
The more you 'try to' rationalize and/or justify what you have previously stated and written, the more complex you are making, what is essentially Truly pure simple and easy.
Stop trying to do what you keep accusing others of doing then... it's that simples.
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