Religion is Man- Made

[Immanuel Can]

When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.

Yep.

[Dontaskme]

Maybe turn around and consider what answers from "religion" may be possible. Sift them. See which one of them, if any, might answer your question in a way that helps you come to grips with your unhappiness.

As I see it, those are your choices.

If only I could make myself happy...

Well, that wasn't one of the options, I'm afraid. If we opt for the first alternative, Materialist resignation, nobody's promised happiness out of that...just a cessation of caring, at best. And if it's the second option, we're going to need something from it, if we're going to be happy: namely, something capable of making somebody happy; and that's probably not possible unless it provides some real answers to things we need to know -- like why suffering exists in the first place, and what it all means.

So just because we opt for a "religious" alternative does not mean all our problems are solved. That choice is just the first step away from confusion and anger. And the majority of "religions" will also not provide us with the answers, because every "religion" offers different answers. What we're left with, then, is just the hope that one of the "religions" may offer us something the others don't.

That's as good as it gets.

But "make myself happy"? Nobody is suggesting you can do that.

I cannot possibly be unhappy because I personally have never imposed that burden of responsibilty to be happy on my own shoulders.

Heh. That's a bit like saying, "I cannot possibly be hungry, because I never imposed the burden of making dinner on myself." Just as you cannot make yourself happy, you also cannot fend off unhappiness by pretending not to care. All you can do is cultivate numbness that way.

If I want to believe the world sucks, then I'm bloody well going to believe it, I do not need permission from anyone to believe the things I do.

Of course you are. That's up to you. If you like believing that, nobody's going to stop you.

I do not care about happiness, I care about the cessation of pain and suffering, does that make me unhappy in your estimation?

Yes.

Happiness is not important to me,

Funny that you're talking about it so much, then.

Doesn't it ever occur to you, there are no answers,

That's essentially the first answer I offered you, the Materialist's resignation and fatalism. Yes, I know that option exists.

Boring.

There are no answers, full stop.

Much of what is exchanged between two opposing philosophers gets twisted and taken out of context anyway. The poster who goes by the name..AGE…pointed this out many times and is right about that. Like the word Happiness for example, you brought that subject up not me, but then you accuse me of over mentioning the damn subject in my response to you, it’s like I just cannot win with you, your so weird, the things you say in response…is so annoyingly childish and petty. It’s as though I’m talking to a child.

Sentimentalities are for weak people full stop.

My philosophy is shared by many people. If you feel the need to criticise it, then that’s your prerogative, but it won’t change my philosophical view that life is a horror for the most part anyway.

You’ve got your philosophy I’ve got mine, I don’t agree with anything you believe in, and in fact I don’t really like you at all, even though I thought maybe you are an ok person, but I do tend to have a very bad judge of character…I think we should just accept we have different ways of seeing things.

[Dontaskme]

When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.

Yep.

Speak for yourself..we’re all guilty of same. Including you. Who hates to be wrong.

Hypocrite.

You and Henry love pressing buttons…you are probably women haters and that makes men monsters.

Opinions do not make men monsters, you are so wrong in many ways, and you are too thick to be aware of this obvious flaw.

People only like each other when they are in agreement….I’m sure you get the gist.

[Dontaskme]

irrelevant

According to you: every-thing and -one is irrelevant. You spare no effort tellin' us this, over and over and over.

One helluva performance.

that’s my job, to entertain you with irrelevance.

Thanks for listening and responding with same.

[Dontaskme]

I’m just waiting now for you guys to say you don’t hate women. And that you love women, except for maybe the ones who dare to say they hate life.

I mean how dare I have an opinion, how dare I discuss the idea that I believe life for sentient creatures is not a good idea, how dare I think for myself and voice my philosophy on a philosophy forum.


How dare I …I must be a bad person, unhappy and a monster then.

Your words not mine, you disgusting pair of virtual signalling arrogant twats.

[Immanuel Can]

There are no answers, full stop.

If you decide there's none for you, then there's none for you.

...you accuse me of over mentioning the damn subject...

Nope. I have no idea why you say that. I certainly didn't.

You’ve got your philosophy I’ve got mine, I don’t agree with anything you believe in, and in fact I don’t really like you at all,

Okay. Have a nice day.

[Immanuel Can]

You and Henry love pressing buttons…

Actually, I'm becoming convinced -- by you -- that Henry's right: you're being just about theatrics, drama, histrionics...

Okay, you can do that. But you don't need me to help you do it. See ya.

[Dontaskme]

There are no answers, full stop.

If you decide there's none for you, then there's none for you.

...you accuse me of over mentioning the damn subject...

Nope. I have no idea why you say that. I certainly didn't.

You’ve got your philosophy I’ve got mine, I don’t agree with anything you believe in, and in fact I don’t really like you at all,

Okay. Have a nice day.

I just happen to have the intelligence to know that there are no answers when it comes to the subject of GOD…. Can we just be rational here and stay on the topic. And not keep diving into character assassination mode.

There are answers on a human level of course there are, we are knowledgeable people. If something does not feel good we don’t do it…but that’s not diff to understand….the problem is solved, no problem.

Now remind me, What is your problem again?

[Dontaskme]

You and Henry love pressing buttons…

Actually, I'm becoming convinced -- by you -- that Henry's right: you're being just about theatrics, drama, histrionics...

Okay, you can do that. But you don't need me to help you do it. See ya.

Good fucking riddance. Your like a poisonous rusty spear up my arse, please don’t reply to me anymore, I’m begging you. Just stop.

Of course you would say something like that, you and Henry are so much better than monsters, and bad people, especially unhappy monsters.

What makes you think I want your help…Your the ones that keep responding to me, Im not forcing you to respond to me, crying helplessly help me help me, please help me…

Just keep watching your idol … that twat excuse for a human being, called Jordan peterson who’s is getting richer off of poor gullible people like you who think the sun shines out of his arse. Oh he’s so wise and wonderful…what a jerk telling people the most obvious things that they already know…and making a shit load of money for doing it…what a crook.

You and your side kicks here are vile disgusting people, who like to think they are better than their opposers…just vile.

[Belinda]

The irony: the nuthin' & no one matters nihilism that DAM pretends to is largely responsible for all the suffering and misery she abhors. When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.

Some do so. Others pursue and make their own meanings for themselves and try to empower others to make their own meanings.

[Dontaskme]

The irony: the nuthin' & no one matters nihilism that DAM pretends to is largely responsible for all the suffering and misery she abhors. When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.

Some do so. Others pursue and make their own meanings for themselves and try to empower others to make their own meanings.

Just don’t ever dare say you believe life has no meaning, or that it is meaningless…because if you dare have an opinion ..you will be a bad bad person, a very unhappy person…you will become a monster.


What a load of shite. Seriously!


The irony is, life on earth is nothing more that a crude exhibition of Frankenstein and his Monsters….so it’s kudos to Henry …for those amazing observations …someone give that guy an Oscar.

[Belinda]

The irony: the nuthin' & no one matters nihilism that DAM pretends to is largely responsible for all the suffering and misery she abhors. When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.

Some do so. Others pursue and make their own meanings for themselves and try to empower others to make their own meanings.

Just don’t ever dare say you believe life has no meaning, or that it is meaningless…because if you dare have an opinion ..you will be a bad bad person, a very unhappy person…you will become a monster.


What a load of shite. Seriously!


The irony is, life on earth is nothing more that a crude exhibition of Frankenstein and his Monsters….so it’s kudos to Henry …for those amazing observations …someone give that guy an Oscar.

Is there not something, maybe quite a simple something ,you can articulate a belief in?

[Dontaskme]

Some do so. Others pursue and make their own meanings for themselves and try to empower others to make their own meanings.

Just don’t ever dare say you believe life has no meaning, or that it is meaningless…because if you dare have an opinion ..you will be a bad bad person, a very unhappy person…you will become a monster.


What a load of shite. Seriously!


The irony is, life on earth is nothing more that a crude exhibition of Frankenstein and his Monsters….so it’s kudos to Henry …for those amazing observations …someone give that guy an Oscar.

Is there not something, maybe quite a simple something ,you can articulate a belief in?

All I’m saying is that I have the opinion that life for sentient beings is not a good idea. It’s my philosophy that life is not worth the price we pay for it, in pain and suffering….I have concern for this, I do not think it’s worth being alive for. It concerns me that people and animals have to suffer.

But that’s a sin to have concern, it’s seen as bad, and monstrous, and it’s seen that I must be very unhappy to have concern for suffering creatures.


How dare I have concern for the pain and suffering that is part and parcel of life. Oh that’s right, I must be grateful for my suffering, I must love suffering with all my heart, because fucking JESUS is going to come again and make it all better.

Oh Christ what an absolutely insane asylum this planet is for blessing it with thinking and talking apes.

[Dontaskme]

Henry, Please feel free to beat me up if it makes you feel good.

I’m used to it, so enjoy yourself and help yourself to as much as you want with the bashing fest.

I know it makes your Willy tingle, so it’s understandable why you like doing it.

[Immanuel Can]

Can we just be rational here and stay on the topic. And not keep diving into character assassination mode.

Hey, you went there...I never did. I didn't even respond when you did. I never could be bothered with ad hominems.

So if you have anything you want to say, you can say it.