Religion is Man- Made

[Dontaskme]

to the audience...

Note how she cycles thru lil self-comfortin' catch-phrases (your phobia, not mine and smell your own shit).

She unconsciously telegraphs her state of mind (fear) and her self-assessment (shit).

She's sittin' on a fence's edge...interestin' to watch the balancing act...will be even more so to see which way she finally falls.

Your so full of pointless platitudes and worn out clichés.

You seem to be more at pains with my philosophy on life, than I am.

*Oh well, and what happened to the ignore list idea?

Oh wait..!!

You can't ignore me can you, you just can't get enough of the truth, it's too magnetic.

Just try letting go of the air while you are falling, it's very liberating.

Stay tuned for more truth.

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*In other words: please, stop turnin' a spotlight on me!

As I say...

I gotta a large problem with liars. And, no, your lunacy doesn't exempt you. So: as I like, I will oppose you and miseries like you. I have no interest in savin' your soul (that's between you and the Creator): but I will meet your garbage with truth at every turn. You're a bad person and you should be countered.

You hate liars.

And I hate life.

You can think what you like about my character that’s your phobia not mine. What you say to me says more about you than it does me, so boar off pig eater.

I don’t have a problem with how I feel. It’s you who has the problem.



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[Dontaskme]

Every method has obstacles
Its like learning to ride a bike - one will fall off multiple times until, somewhen, you find the balance and all is well.

Ok.. a bit more info:
I found it to be a multistep process, first learning how to actually be aware of (observe) ones own thoughts, then understanding how they interact with the physical body - it seems that thoughts, a bit similar to reflexology, trigger (or rather arise together with) certain specific sensations in the body. This makes it possible to either catch the thought (when actually actively observing thought) or otherwise catch the physical sensation and follow it back to the thought (when a mosquito bites you, you automatically swipe it away, right? the idea is, that it has to become an automated process like that...)
The process works similar to a smoke detector - once the smoke (negative thoughts) is detected and clearly seen/observed (but not fuelled by jumping onto the train of thought) it will automatically loose steam and dissolve.
One has to practice this process multiple, most likely many times in a "controlled situation" (similar to when meditating), but somewhen this practice pays off, the behaviour is internalised and works without artificial effort.
Thats it in a nutshell - guess there is much more to say about it, especially how to practise, but this would turn out to be more text than just a simple post in this forum.

Try lying inside a wooden box buried deep underground with only a breathing tube leading up from the box to the surface, so you can at least breathe, and maybe have a bottle of water with you, just enough to keep you alive for as long as you are able to endure the condition. Lets see how long you can endure remaining in a perfect state of detachment. It shouldn't be that difficult to do applying the method you've described in the above post. You'll need assistance setting up the experiement of course, but once it's set up, it's just you and your non-detachment. How long do you think you will last before you are wanting attachment again?

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The method I was describing is not a magic trick that will turn you into some kind of superhero. But what it can do, and did for me, is that it reduces the “normal” amount of dark and worryful thoughts substantially. If that is not good enough for you, fine, I am not asking you to try it. I simply reported what I have done and what the result has been so far… still, not sure if I’m ready for your wooden box experiment:-)

I don’t have any dark and worrying thoughts. I grew up and faced reality the way it actually is. I hate life, because it’s just an endless stream of suffering and pain for the most part. And I’m ok with that. Of course it would be nice never to have been born, but I have so there’s nothing I can do about life. I certainly don’t worry about it or have dark thoughts. I have concern even though I know its a pretty futile thing do so, because it’s almost like it’s a sin if someone hates life, oh well, I guess that’s what you get for just being open and honest.

[henry quirk]

Your so full of pointless platitudes and worn out clichés.

You seem to be more at pains with my philosophy on life, than I am.

*Oh well, and what happened to the ignore list idea?

Oh wait..!!

You can't ignore me can you, you just can't get enough of the truth, it's too magnetic.

Just try letting go of the air while you are falling, it's very liberating.

Stay tuned for more truth.

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*In other words: please, stop turnin' a spotlight on me!

As I say...

I gotta a large problem with liars. And, no, your lunacy doesn't exempt you. So: as I like, I will oppose you and miseries like you. I have no interest in savin' your soul (that's between you and the Creator): but I will meet your garbage with truth at every turn. You're a bad person and you should be countered.

*You hate liars.

**And I hate life.

***You can think what you like about my character ****that’s your phobia not mine. What you say to me says more about you than it does me, so boar off *****pig eater.

******I don’t have a problem with how I feel. *******It’s you who has the problem.

*not fond of 'em, no

**not enough to eat drano (which is unfortunate)

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****telgraphin' that self-assessment again

*****I do like bacon, yes m'am I do

******liar

*******yep (and that would be you)

[AlexW]

I don’t have any dark and worrying thoughts.
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I hate life, because it’s just an endless stream of suffering and pain for the most part.

I can't see how the two go together, but if you're OK with it, who am I to judge...

[Dubious]

People are desperate for meaning for their otherwise, not-knowing, meaningless lives. Their longing for meaning, is all just reflexive behavior, in the sense that the absence of pain or any bad situation apparently gives birth to the illusion that good exists, because they are not bad. If there was just good in the world, then there would be no reason to long for God. But there is an obvious longing for God.
It never occurs to them that the road to good cannot be paved with bad, and vice versa. So they are stuck with their knowledge, but never use it to see there is always a way out of their displeasure for pain. They do not have to wait for God to end pain. For God is the pain.

That may be more true for people who believed in god as a source of meaning which, for many, begins to fade as one gets older having realized through long experience the perverse absurdities of old scriptures. Many have made god equivalent to hope; when that hope is gone, god becomes a pain...a deprivation felt not only on a conscious level. The loss of such an existential hope may cause subordinate values to become meaningless for a very long time.

The idea of god, especially the Jesus type, is really nothing more than a bad habit like drug abuse or alcoholism. To divest yourself of it becomes extremely unpleasant and downright painful. Those who depend on it will do anything to defend it: the neutrality of an indifferent universe being precisely what they wanted to avoid since it offers no comfort for those who expect more and imagine death as a beginning unlike all other sentient life which still or once existed!

No DNA molecule is able to tell itself it is the divine manifestation of a loving creator God. Argh!!

Absolutely. Wishful thinking was never part of the DNA project. It is necessary for the whole process to become much more complex for stupidity to emerge in all its glory.

Religious kooks appear to be in denial they are trapped in some kind of psychological Stockholm syndrome, a scenario where they have self inflicted upon them selves a slave mentality that pretends to like it's master. Never knowing that the master is the slave, and the slave is the master, all imagined to be real inside their minds.

Excellent analogy! I never thought of it that way. I should have known that after having read so much Nietzsche!

We are forced to live in a broken world that cannot be fixed. If it could be fixed then there would be no broken world.

The world was never broken since its inception. It's all the fucking idiots who came along much later who are now in the process of breaking it. The earth never supplied a reason to believe in anything but nature itself. How much has he killed; how much more indirectly through climate change will disappear for which he is directly responsible! Add the geopolitical consequences and you have a scenario which adds up to a true Armageddon, not the naively perverse, biblical kind some imagined idiot god decides to implement when it feels like it!

If there's one thing the bible and all suchlike scriptures incontrovertibly prove, the created gods aren't any more intelligent than their creators. In this day and age, it's only idiots who follow whom they presume to be their masters.

[Dontaskme]

I don’t have any dark and worrying thoughts.
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I hate life, because it’s just an endless stream of suffering and pain for the most part.

I can't see how the two go together, but if you're OK with it, who am I to judge...

Alex, you are more than welcome to interpret a word to mean what ever you deem suitable according to your own beliefs. Most people will interpret language to mean specific things, it's the way they have been conditioned, I do not have a problem with how they personally perceive and derive meaning from language, using the only knowledge available to them.

Humans have evolved the capacity to use and speak language, in order for them to make sense of a reality that is totally devoid of meaning and purpose. Language can only make sense to human understanding when it is understood from it's dual nature.

Generally speaking, negative thoughts are labeled bad, and positive thoughts are labeled good...my point is, who really gets to decide what's good or bad, evil or beautiful? who has ultimate authority over meaning and interpretation regarding knowledge?

If someone wants to preach to me that I am in a dark place just because I dare to say what's on my mind, then they are welcome to their opinions, but that doesn't make them true for another person. I happen to think life sucks, and that for me is anything but dark or depressing, it's quite the opposite for me, for me, to be able to accept reality for what it really is, is extremely enlightening and vigorating.

If I believe that life is a bad idea, which I do, that is a genuine feeling coming through for me, because for me, it's just accepting things for the way I personally see them, and that to me, is not being in a dark or bad place, it's being in a very good place. For me, the dualistic nature of language/knowledge means the opposite is also true. I've always held to this philosophy, it's unique to me, so it seems, I do not have a problem with saying what I believe to be the truth. I was literally born this way. And I'm perfectly ok and accepting of my philosophy, that may or may not come accross as being alien to others, but if it is, then that is not my problem, I can only see the world according to how it is being reflected to me.

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[Dontaskme]

*In other words: please, stop turnin' a spotlight on me!

As I say...

*You hate liars.

**And I hate life.

***You can think what you like about my character ****that’s your phobia not mine. What you say to me says more about you than it does me, so boar off *****pig eater.

******I don’t have a problem with how I feel. *******It’s you who has the problem.

*not fond of 'em, no

**not enough to eat drano (which is unfortunate)

***

****telgraphin' that self-assessment again

*****I do like bacon, yes m'am I do

******liar

*******yep (and that would be you)

Whatever that jumbled up retarted response is supposed to mean is irrelevant.

But for your information, If you have a problem with your idea that I have a problem or am a bad person, then that's not my problem, it's yours, so why don't you just smell your own shit before you eat it cannibal.

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[Belinda]

Dubious wrote:

Thank you for interpreting what Jesus meant since he didn't leave any explanations behind. So nice of you to clarify!

There are plenty of causal circumstances **to back up the mythical accounts of Jesus of Nazareth. I think you confuse the historical Jesus with the Christ of religious faith.

**1. OT prophecies.The Prophets were held in reverence and their pronouncements were faithfully recorded.The advent of Jesus was a self -fulfilling prophecy.

2.Roman empire- building, and the special difficulties the Roman regime in Palestine had with many religious Jews.

[Dontaskme]

People are desperate for meaning for their otherwise, not-knowing, meaningless lives. Their longing for meaning, is all just reflexive behavior, in the sense that the absence of pain or any bad situation apparently gives birth to the illusion that good exists, because they are not bad. If there was just good in the world, then there would be no reason to long for God. But there is an obvious longing for God.
It never occurs to them that the road to good cannot be paved with bad, and vice versa. So they are stuck with their knowledge, but never use it to see there is always a way out of their displeasure for pain. They do not have to wait for God to end pain. For God is the pain.

That may be more true for people who believed in god as a source of meaning which, for many, begins to fade as one gets older having realized through long experience the perverse absurdities of old scriptures.

Men back in the day had nothing better to do than to make up stories. The roman empire probably had more to do with why there was the desire to write a Bible more than we know or realise. Only a fool would not notice this. Psyops are a part of the human condition as and though the knowledge we have acquired, human minds are psychologically wired to believe in their own made up BS as being literal.

I agree with your views. I personally use the word god as I use the word nothing or everything, or being. For me, there is just what is, which can never be unseen or anything other than what is. It's not even an IT as in ( it is)...for the IT word implies 'a something'.

And yet only sheer brute honesty dictates that no one knows what IT IS, or anything. So any thing that is apparently known can only be known as a not-knowing knowing, and that is just too simple to understand for some people, they want it it to be more complicated than that, they want it to be a creator, a loving creator, which is ridiculousy deluded.

Many have made god equivalent to hope; when that hope is gone, god becomes a pain...a deprivation felt not only on a conscious level. The loss of such an existential hope may cause subordinate values to become meaningless for a very long time.

The illusion of a separate 'me' has been born of language, which has been taken on as a knowledge, which in essence cannot touch reality at all. Knowledge does not know anything, it's an illusory expression of 'sound and light', the source of both 'sound and light' are unknowable.

The idea of god, especially the Jesus type, is really nothing more than a bad habit like drug abuse or alcoholism. To divest yourself of it becomes extremely unpleasant and downright painful. Those who depend on it will do anything to defend it: the neutrality of an indifferent universe being precisely what they wanted to avoid since it offers no comfort for those who expect more and imagine death as a beginning unlike all other sentient life which still or once existed!

I agree with you. It seems, humans just cannot deal with the truth that their being has no intrinsic meaning or purpose, and that it seems to apparently arise in their being still doesn't mean a jot. Simply because all emotion and sensation is empty with no knowable source who is responsible for it. Yes, it's all very real but it's not known what is real, just that it appears that way. In knowledge we can say yes it's all real, but that doesn't make the reality of it any more knowable, all there is is not knowing.

I see it, that there is the sense of self, there is an energy in that that seeks to preserve that self, so addiction is a very good pointer as to what self means to it's sense of self.. the known idea of self is a just a product of a reflexive sensation which is empty at it's core. What feels good from a knowledgable perspective is going to want more of it, that's just how the whole mechanics of sensations work. An animal will always seek for equilibrium and comfort automatically moving away from danger or what is sensed to be detrimental to it's desire for comfort. For sentient life, it's a constant struggle to stay in equilibrium. It's the unavoidable ''A-Symmetry'' that is woven into the very fabric of life itself. It's quite a repugnant way to live, always having to struggle to remain in comfort, in my opinion. It's not the work of an intelligence, it's just a mindless process of dna replicating molecules reproducing itself over and over again like a senseless, driverless runaway train. It's only knowledge that has made this into the big deal it has become, so yeah, knowledge that there is a self or entity responsible for all this is just a man-made story, a manifestion of light and sound as and through langauage, all quite empty of any apparent significance whatsoever.

[Dontaskme]

Excellent analogy! I never thought of it that way. I should have known that after having read so much Nietzsche!

Yes, thanks, I thought it was an excellent pointer as well.

There have been many excellent philosopers over the centuries, Nietzsche being just one of many.

[Dontaskme]

The world was never broken since its inception. It's all the fucking idiots who came along much later who are now in the process of breaking it. The earth never supplied a reason to believe in anything but nature itself. How much has he killed; how much more indirectly through climate change will disappear for which he is directly responsible! Add the geopolitical consequences and you have a scenario which adds up to a true Armageddon, not the naively perverse, biblical kind some imagined idiot god decides to implement when it feels like it!

If there's one thing the bible and all suchlike scriptures incontrovertibly prove, the created gods aren't any more intelligent than their creators. In this day and age, it's only idiots who follow whom they presume to be their masters.

I agree, that's why I hate life. Humans break everything they touch. Like a spoilt child breaking it's toys because it's gotten bored of them. Their destructive behavior is repugnant. Their arrogance knows no limits. They have no respect for anything but themselves.
They are high maintenance. Never happy with simple pleasures, always striving for more, and more and more, their insatiable greed and desire for pleasure knows no limits. They are unaware of the damage they self-inflict on their 'sustainer' that is their planet. As long as suffering is not happening to them personally, they turn a blind eye to it. ''SUFFERING MATTERS'' but not until it is personally experienced, as far as they are aware.


Here is just 1 example of human hypocrisy ..Do they eat each other, do they eat human meat sandwiches for their comfort time snack? , no they eat pigs, because in their opinion, a pig's life has zero importance, and yet a pigs life is no different in it's sentient capacity to feel and need and be. ''Pearls before Swine'' has to be the most repulsive saying ever invented, the idea that only they are worth it, is a vile arrogance that never dies.

Humans are a disgrace, they are selfish to the core.

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[Dontaskme]

Maybe turn around and consider what answers from "religion" may be possible. Sift them. See which one of them, if any, might answer your question in a way that helps you come to grips with your unhappiness.

As I see it, those are your choices.

Jesus Christ, I'm so humbled in your preachy presence. WTF..oh and thank you, I never knew I had the choice to be happy. If only I could make myself happy, now wouldn't that be the mother of all solutions to your miserable life. Like I could just choose not to be unhappy, how wonderful.

Except I never chose to be born. Choice is an illusion believed to be real, in knowledge only, In reality NO ONE chooses to be.

As for the ''unhappiness'' comment, how typically conditioned of you to say, you guys are so predictable.

Reality spoiler: I cannot possibly be unhappy because I personally have never imposed that burden of responsibilty to be happy on my own shoulders. I tried it once, only to realise that the feeling of being happy has a rather fleeting nature. I gave up on that silly BS human conditioning a long time ago.

FYI, I'm neither happy nor unhappy. Imagine having to pretend to people you are happy when you are not. Or you are happy, but then have to listen to other people tell you that you are not happy, even though you are. What stupidity. Just because I have a different value to you on what constitutes being a sentient life. If I want to believe the world sucks, then I'm bloody well going to believe it, I do not need permission from anyone to believe the things I do.

I do not care about happiness, I care about the cessation of pain and suffering, does that make me unhappy in your estimation? This is the problem, do I have to be happy to be a good person, does being happy mean that I will see the world differently than what I cannot help but see in every waking moment. . You are basically saying that if I'm happy, then I will see that the world will be a wonderful, amazing delightfully happy blissful place full of rainbows and unicorns and pink balloons and candy floss...NO, man, just NO...this is such BS


Happiness is not important to me, sorry, but I'm just too intelligent to take your preachy sermons as absolute truth.

Doesn't it ever occur to you, there are no answers, if there were, do you think you would still be recommending them to me. 2 thousand and plus years later, religious minds are still believing that people need to look for answers in religion. Religion is a mental construction IC... Quite frankly, I've never actually seen a mind myself, let alone the creator of one.


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[Immanuel Can]

Maybe turn around and consider what answers from "religion" may be possible. Sift them. See which one of them, if any, might answer your question in a way that helps you come to grips with your unhappiness.

As I see it, those are your choices.

If only I could make myself happy...

Well, that wasn't one of the options, I'm afraid. If we opt for the first alternative, Materialist resignation, nobody's promised happiness out of that...just a cessation of caring, at best. And if it's the second option, we're going to need something from it, if we're going to be happy: namely, something capable of making somebody happy; and that's probably not possible unless it provides some real answers to things we need to know -- like why suffering exists in the first place, and what it all means.

So just because we opt for a "religious" alternative does not mean all our problems are solved. That choice is just the first step away from confusion and anger. And the majority of "religions" will also not provide us with the answers, because every "religion" offers different answers. What we're left with, then, is just the hope that one of the "religions" may offer us something the others don't.

That's as good as it gets.

But "make myself happy"? Nobody is suggesting you can do that.

I cannot possibly be unhappy because I personally have never imposed that burden of responsibilty to be happy on my own shoulders.

Heh. That's a bit like saying, "I cannot possibly be hungry, because I never imposed the burden of making dinner on myself." Just as you cannot make yourself happy, you also cannot fend off unhappiness by pretending not to care. All you can do is cultivate numbness that way.

If I want to believe the world sucks, then I'm bloody well going to believe it, I do not need permission from anyone to believe the things I do.

Of course you are. That's up to you. If you like believing that, nobody's going to stop you.

I do not care about happiness, I care about the cessation of pain and suffering, does that make me unhappy in your estimation?

Yes.

Happiness is not important to me,

Funny that you're talking about it so much, then.

Doesn't it ever occur to you, there are no answers,

That's essentially the first answer I offered you, the Materialist's resignation and fatalism. Yes, I know that option exists.

[henry quirk]

irrelevant

According to you: every-thing and -one is irrelevant. You spare no effort tellin' us this, over and over and over.

One helluva performance.

[henry quirk]

The irony: the nuthin' & no one matters nihilism that DAM pretends to is largely responsible for all the suffering and misery she abhors. When men truly believe life is meaningless, they give themselves license to be monsters; and, they become fodder for other men pursuing power.