Religion is Man- Made

[Dontaskme]

Bleed some more for your audience.

ok if that’s what you want, you’ll get it.

I’m not going anywhere, so what ever you find entertaining and worth watching, I’ll do my best to deliver for you.


As for the bleed comment, yes I bleed, do you.

I bleed a lot, I think living life is an extremely messy, tedious, repugnant, repulsive business. I hate going to bed at night knowing I might wake up in the morning.

At least I’ve got a laptop, iPad, iPhone and a Nintendo switch to amuse me, oh and this forum.

[Immanuel Can]

Thanks for being nice though, it’s rare to see it nowadays…

Sadly, that's true. The best exchanges are civil, aren't they? Even when people disagree, they don't have to be disagreeable.

[Dubious]

it never gets old, this story, must have been the greatest story ever told. I think we should stop clinging onto it for dear life and let it have its freedom…poor thing has been flogged to death, and yet still refuses to die.

I find it really amusing that a person with clear skills in writing as IC, is such a poor judge of the most basic facts of reality.

Funny coincidence .. I was just having the exact same thoughts the other day.

The mind boggles, that perfectly decent, articulate, and gentle men still believe in invisible people. I happen to get the vibe Ic is nice person, but the beliefs ...

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The bible was written based on a very old and long defunct view of the world. It piles contradiction on contradiction. No true biblical scholar would accept the idea of the bible as written being a dependable story except for what history and archeology confirms.

To think that Jesus, a back alley preacher, is the son of the OT god who created the universe with its hundreds of billions of galaxies containing many billions of stars and even more planets but decided to elect his Chosen People here on earth somewhere in the Middle East is no-longer simply ridiculous but crosses the border into insanity.

Also in equal measure is the disgusting idea that only belief in Jesus can save your soul. The rest are write-offs regardless of their belief in some other divinity or divinities whose name wasn't Jesus; if that were true, one might as well have been an atheist.

I questioned IC on this kind of extreme incongruity, but he never once deigned to reply, the reason for which is simple: admitting it makes Jesus look like an unjust asshole OR negate it and his entire belief system falls to ashes. No wonder there was never a response, in spite of claiming to have three of them.

The only way to defend that kind of distorted belief system is through more distortions, lies, deceit, and a really shameless hypocrisy, all of which IC is past master at. He only responds in a normal manner when the subject is not about religion. Considering what religion has done to the human mind, Hitchen's statement that it poisons everything is 100% accurate...especially the kind which forces belief on ONE deity for redemption.

It goes to show some minds are much more easily poisoned than others.

[AlexW]

Also, to say that pain is unavoidable, but suffering is optional, is like saying: eating a strawberry chocolate cupcake is not an enjoyable experience, the enjoyment is purely optional. It's irrational, because a cupcake is usually very enjoyable.

Yes, good point - but only to a degree...

I think catching thoughts that lead to suffering (and as such diminishing or avoiding suffering) works in a similar way as wild animals catch the scent of a lurking predator... they are constantly aware of any signs of a predator approaching (but not in an unnatural, forced way, no, its simply natural functioning to be aware of this threat) and, when spotted react accordingly.

Humans do not have many predators to be aware of, most physical threats and enemies have vanished from our daily lives, yet, all is not good... the "enemy" has moved closer, it now hides in our own head - it is our thoughts that can hurt us, often much more deeply than any physical threat ever could.
Being aware of this internal enemy - of negative chains of thought - is what makes it possible to react swiftly to an "attack" and defuse it before a small spark turns into a wildfire.
This is also why the enjoyable experience of "eating a strawberry chocolate cupcake" is still enjoyable - the thoughts arising from this experience do not set off the alarm bells like negative thoughts would (its the same with wild animals, they still "enjoy" to play, eat fresh grass or have a good mud-bath, but this doesn't keep them from being alert in case a croc jumps out of the swamp, trying to eat them alive...)

While being aware of external danger seems like something logical to do, being aware of internal danger is something most people have no clue about (most don't even know that this danger exists)... they are, as such, easy prey to negative thoughts and this is also why suffering, depression, anxiety, anger, fear etc etc are so prevalent in todays world.
But this internal awareness - like anything else - can be practised and it can be integrated into how one functions - and over time it becomes the new normal (on looking back: this has been one of the best things ever happening to me).

[Eodnhoj7]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

[Dubious]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

There's a million definitions for all kinds of things. Most of them totally useless. God in this case being a non-entity can be defined in any way we wish. The human mind is extremely adept in creating definitions out of nothing, which changes nothing except its conceptualization.

[Eodnhoj7]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

There's a million definitions for all kinds of things. Most of them totally useless. God in this case being a non-entity can be defined in any way we wish. The human mind is extremely adept in creating definitions out of nothing, which changes nothing except its conceptualization.

To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

[Dubious]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

There's a million definitions for all kinds of things. Most of them totally useless. God in this case being a non-entity can be defined in any way we wish. The human mind is extremely adept in creating definitions out of nothing, which changes nothing except its conceptualization.

To argue that God does not exist is to first define what God is thus resulting in the concept of God. God then exists as a concept therefore has an existence. To negate something is to first admit it exists in some form or function.

Since when can a concept have existence except as a concept, that is, only as a mental image? I can imagine dead people alive and talking to them but they're still dead so obviously I'm only talking to a mental image of someone. Imagining it, conceptualizing it is not in the least unusual. Believing it's actually happening is another story entirely.

Put another way, a spade is a spade is a spade! If someone hits you over the head with one, you'll certainly feel it. If you only visualize that happening, you won't feel a thing! If a concept could kill, we'd all be dead by now!

[Dontaskme]

Thanks for being nice though, it’s rare to see it nowadays…

Sadly, that's true. The best exchanges are civil, aren't they? Even when people disagree, they don't have to be disagreeable.

The fact is, there are no winners in an argument/debate or whatever world view is being exchanged. An argument implies opposition. Ultimately, there is only your truth.

Any attempt to win over 'opposing views' to the side of the argument that is in opposition, is an absurd practice, it is the madness that is the human mind. This point is just a small example of what is my personal philosophy, and so if people have a problem with my philosophy, then that is their phobia, not mine.

When people piss all over my philosophy, I will piss back. This is human nature, nothing is only ever one sided as you yourself have already highlighted and agreed upon. There's no good without bad.

People should learn to let go of their delusions. Let go of their idea we can win. The end game for consciousness is destruction. Do we really need to keep investing in this battle for who is right and who is wrong.

There are no winners here.


Human beings are lying scumbag cheats, they have been since the dawn of their conception due to the duality of langauge and it's associated meaning. It's a blight on reality. This is fact. Denial is suffering.

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[Dontaskme]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

All concepts arise through the use of language which are heard as meaningful or meaningless words. All of which is just sound, which is empty at it's core.

Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. . which is . . There is no knowledge of reality. There only appears to be, seemingly.

Only ignorance is original.

[Dontaskme]

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with all the inventions one uses in there everyday life.

- To disagree with something because it is man made is to disagree with one's own interpretations as they are man made.

- To argue God does not exist is to first point to something which exists, ie a concept of God, and call it God.

- The continual rejection of definitions of God requires to continually redefine God thus always have an existing definition.

There's a million definitions for all kinds of things. Most of them totally useless. God in this case being a non-entity can be defined in any way we wish. The human mind is extremely adept in creating definitions out of nothing, which changes nothing except its conceptualization.

Very well said.

[Dontaskme]

Dontaskme wrote:
*My personal philosophical ideas

*Here they are...

All I want is for the pain, and suffering in the world to stop. Especially the suffering of animals, but how can we make it stop, we can’t can we?

I just want it all to stop.

Yes, that is one part of my philosophy, which is concern for the suffering.

Is there a problem with this philosophical view? please enlighten me with your ignorance.

[Dontaskme]

Also, to say that pain is unavoidable, but suffering is optional, is like saying: eating a strawberry chocolate cupcake is not an enjoyable experience, the enjoyment is purely optional. It's irrational, because a cupcake is usually very enjoyable.

Yes, good point - but only to a degree...

I think catching thoughts that lead to suffering (and as such diminishing or avoiding suffering) works in a similar way as wild animals catch the scent of a lurking predator... they are constantly aware of any signs of a predator approaching (but not in an unnatural, forced way, no, its simply natural functioning to be aware of this threat) and, when spotted react accordingly.

Humans do not have many predators to be aware of, most physical threats and enemies have vanished from our daily lives, yet, all is not good... the "enemy" has moved closer, it now hides in our own head - it is our thoughts that can hurt us, often much more deeply than any physical threat ever could.
Being aware of this internal enemy - of negative chains of thought - is what makes it possible to react swiftly to an "attack" and defuse it before a small spark turns into a wildfire.
This is also why the enjoyable experience of "eating a strawberry chocolate cupcake" is still enjoyable - the thoughts arising from this experience do not set off the alarm bells like negative thoughts would (its the same with wild animals, they still "enjoy" to play, eat fresh grass or have a good mud-bath, but this doesn't keep them from being alert in case a croc jumps out of the swamp, trying to eat them alive...)

While being aware of external danger seems like something logical to do, being aware of internal danger is something most people have no clue about (most don't even know that this danger exists)... they are, as such, easy prey to negative thoughts and this is also why suffering, depression, anxiety, anger, fear etc etc are so prevalent in todays world.
But this internal awareness - like anything else - can be practised and it can be integrated into how one functions - and over time it becomes the new normal (on looking back: this has been one of the best things ever happening to me).

I get what you are saying. But what you are pointing to is all based on the knowledge of conceptual understanding via association with meaning based on human belief systems that have been artificially formed over decades and decades of mental conditioning and programming that are past on from generation to generation.. All of which is nothing more than a fiction upon the real world which is without any concept or story about it. That's the real world, the real world is the world prior to any artificially imposed story about it. Artificial because words are just empty sound believed to be real, when in reality, the reality of belief, is emptiness at it's very core.

The real world doesn't need a language to interpret it ... The real world is experienced as and though sensation and feeling. The real world of sensation and feeling cannot be ignored, reality for sentient creature is gross, barbaric and crude, it's a pointless, mindless battle for survival. A dog eat dog reality. The dinosaur period is still here, nothing has changed in the nature of nature, just because humans have showed up, in fact nature has gotten a whole lot worse because of humanity, not better.

So even the idea that we can just disassociate with our sensation and thoughts and feelings, and know they are like passing ships in the night with no significant significance, because they have no impact on the awareness that is aware of them, is not helpful.

I came to realise the Gurus who preach this nondual knowledge are also as deluded as the religious kooks. They too, the advaita vedanta gurus are all part of the same problem, they have an agenda, to be worshipped, they are in for the money, they are trying to sell you something. It's all very corrupt and gross, because nothing is for sale here. There really is no hope for conscious sentinet life, we just need to learn to let go and stop flogging dead horses, just so they can live a little longer just to die at a later date. We need to accept death, and stop trying to avoid the inevitable by making up bullshit stories about living eternal lives in bliss and peace...it's all bollocks, and most intelligent people already know this.

I used to think like you, I used to think like IC...but something happened to me, I realised once and for all that I was just pretending, I was living a pretentious life. And that is when I decided to stop living a pretentious life, and live in the real world, and to my delight, I discovered I was ok with that.

I was ok with it, because I have no other choice but to endure life, until nature decides it's time to erase me from existence.




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[Walker]

But this internal awareness - like anything else - can be practised and it can be integrated into how one functions - and over time it becomes the new normal (on looking back: this has been one of the best things ever happening to me).

This sounds like a rational exit from hell.

Are there obstacles to the method?

[Dontaskme]

But this internal awareness - like anything else - can be practised and it can be integrated into how one functions - and over time it becomes the new normal (on looking back: this has been one of the best things ever happening to me).

This sounds like a rational exit from hell.

Are there obstacles to the method?

If there is an obstacle, that would almost certainly be the really dumbass idea that there is an exit door to being.

To believe there is an exit door is irrationally stupid and deluded.