Is morality objective or subjective?

[Skepdick]

The parts of your brain. Your brain isn't an elementary particle, you know.

But your brain corresponds to your "I". So how many parts does your "I" have ?

[Terrapin Station]

Then one's brain should correspond precisely to one's volition.

It does. But that doesn't imply that (every) belief can be a choice for every person.

Only those beliefs you choose to be choices...

So go ahead and choose to believe something for bad reasons.

Why would you think that some people can't be different than you in that some beliefs can't be choices for them?

[Terrapin Station]

The parts of your brain. Your brain isn't an elementary particle, you know.

But your brain corresponds to your "I". So how many parts does your "I" have ?

I have no idea how you'd even begin to count this.

(Though not that "one's brain" simply corresponds to "I"--not all brain phenomena are mental phonomena, and only some mental phenomena are "self (identification)" phenomena)

[Skepdick]

Why would you think that some people can't be different than you in that some beliefs can't be choices for them?

I have said absolutely nothing about my beliefs. You are projecting.

I am simply asking you to falsify your own prediction about your self.

You predicted that ALL of your future-choices will correspond to your brain's good pre-dispositions.
You predicted that ALL of your future-choices WILL NOT correspond to your brain's bad pre-dispositions.

I am asking you to manufacture a counter-example.

[Skepdick]

(Though not that "one's brain" simply corresponds to "I"--not all brain phenomena are mental phonomena, and only some mental phenomena are "self (identification)" phenomena)

So your brain doesn't correspond to "I" ?

Make up your mind...

[Terrapin Station]

You predicted that ALL of your future-choices will correspond to your brain's good pre-dispositions.
You predicted that ALL of your future-choices WILL NOT correspond to your brain's bad pre-dispositions.

Huh?

[Terrapin Station]

(Though not that "one's brain" simply corresponds to "I"--not all brain phenomena are mental phonomena, and only some mental phenomena are "self (identification)" phenomena)

So your brain doesn't correspond to "I" ?

Make up your mind...

As I just wrote, mental phenomena are a subset of brain phenomena.

[Skepdick]

You predicted that ALL of your future-choices will correspond to your brain's good pre-dispositions.
You predicted that ALL of your future-choices WILL NOT correspond to your brain's bad pre-dispositions.

Huh?

Personally I can't choose what to believe. What Peter said is the only option that has good reasons for belief. Hence I can't help but believe it.

You are predicting that ALL of your "choices" correspond to your brain's pre-dispositions. Thereby you have no choice.

That's testable/falsifiable.

IF you CHOOSE to believe something other than your brain's pre-disposition.
IF you CHOOSE to believe something for "bad reasons" when your brain tells you to believe things for "good reasons".

Then your belief about yourself would be falsified.

You would have behaved otherwise to the way you predicted you would behave.

[Terrapin Station]

You are predicting that ALL of your "choices" correspond to your brain's pre-dispositions. Thereby you have no choice.

I didn't say anything even remotely like that.

I said that I can't choose my beliefs.

I didn't say that all of my choices correspond to dispositions, or that I can make no choices.

[Skepdick]

I didn't say anything even remotely like that.

I said that I can't choose my beliefs.

I didn't say that all of my choices correspond to dispositions, or that I can make no choices.

The words that you are speaking. They imply the thing you claim you are not saying!

A. You can't choose your beliefs.
B. You can make choices.

If B is true, then go ahead and choose your beliefs despite A.

Silly philosophers. You are the contradiction.

[Terrapin Station]

I didn't say anything even remotely like that.

I said that I can't choose my beliefs.

I didn't say that all of my choices correspond to dispositions, or that I can make no choices.

The words that you are speaking. They imply the thing you claim you are not saying!

A. You can't choose your beliefs.
B. You can make choices.

If B is true, then go ahead and choose your beliefs despite A.

Silly philosophers. You are the contradiction.

That one can make choices doesn't imply that everything is a choice.

[Skepdick]

That one can make choices doesn't imply that everything is a choice.

Nobody is speaking about "everything"... we are only talking about beliefs. Those are always a choice.

I can choose to believe in God.... aaaand there. Now I believe in God.
I can also choose not to believe in God.... aaaand there! Now I don't believe in God anymore.

Just like that. Because the entire notion of "beliefs" is philosophical horseshit.

[Terrapin Station]

I can choose to believe in God.... aaaand there. Now I believe in God.
I can also choose not to believe in God.... aaaand there! Now I don't believe in God anymore.

Good for you.

I can't do that. That's not at all how beliefs work for me.

Can you accept that someone might be different from you in this regard? If you can't accept that, why not?

[Skepdick]

I can't do that. That's not at all how beliefs work for me.

Can you accept that someone might be different from you in this regard? If you can't accept that, why not?

I can and I do understand it. I accept it too.

I accept that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about when you talk about "your beliefs".

[Terrapin Station]

I can't do that. That's not at all how beliefs work for me.

Can you accept that someone might be different from you in this regard? If you can't accept that, why not?

I can and I do understand it. I accept it too.

I accept that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about when you talk about your beliefs.

That sounds to me like you couldn't even choose to believe that someone else's beliefs might work differently than yours.