Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight Part 2

[Immanuel Can]

Then you misunderstand the idea of existing within a virtual reality.

I'm quite sure I don't.

Now, there's an incoherent idea...a "virtual" reality for which there is no "actual" reality. That doesn't even make sense on its own terms.

[VVilliam]

Then you misunderstand the idea of existing within a virtual reality.

I'm quite sure I don't.

Now, there's an incoherent idea...a "virtual" reality for which there is no "actual" reality. That doesn't even make sense on its own terms.

Then you misunderstand the idea of existing within a virtual reality.

I'm quite sure I don't.

Now, there's an incoherent idea...a "virtual" reality for which there is no "actual" reality. That doesn't even make sense on its own terms.

Why not?

If consciousness is the only 'thing' which is actually real, then all 'realities' experienced as objects by consciousness, can be experienced as real, only because that which is experiencing those objects is actually real, and were created [the physical universe as one example] to specifically be experienced as real.
So what is 'incoherent' about that idea?

Why not?

If consciousness is the only 'thing' which is actually real, then all 'realities' experienced as objects by consciousness, can be experienced as real, only because that which is experiencing those objects is actually real, and were created [the physical universe as one example] to specifically be experienced as real.

[VVilliam]

DP

[Immanuel Can]

If consciousness is the only 'thing' which is actually real,

Well, it's obviously not.

As Jordan Peterson has put it, "Reality is the thing that destroys your stupid theory." In other words, reality is the force pushing back against what your consciousness expected or wanted to be the case, but which wasn't.

[VVilliam]

If consciousness is the only 'thing' which is actually real,

Well, it's obviously not.

As Jordan Peterson has put it, "Reality is the thing that destroys your stupid theory." In other words, reality is the force pushing back against what your consciousness expected or wanted to be the case, but which wasn't.

Ah - you argue the frivolous.

Lets go deeper than that...

in relation to your belief of God - is God "Conscious"? Is God real? Is God eternal?

[Immanuel Can]

Ah - you argue the frivolous.

Reality? Hardly frivolous.

[VVilliam]

Ah - you argue the frivolous.

Reality? Hardly frivolous.

Lets go deeper than that...

in relation to your belief of God - is God "Conscious"? Is God real? Is God eternal?

[Immanuel Can]

Lets go deeper than that...

"Deeper" than reality? You are losing your grip.

[VVilliam]

Lets go deeper than that...

"Deeper" than reality? You are losing your grip.

I think you are unable to answer my questions
Regarding your relationship with your idea of god
..and consider your responses to be the obvious attempts to distract from giving answer because you understand where that will lead...charade you are.

[VVilliam]

So I will get to that point.

If The Creator is real then anything Created is not real, but can be experienced as real by The Creator. The Creator is the only real being. Creation is all in the mind of The Creator, and is experienced by the Creator as real, because The Creator has made it possible to do so, by creating 'things' which are not real [because The Creator is the only real being] and The Creator is experiencing these "things" within The Creators mind.

In that, we are all The Creator experiencing things as "real" because WE are real...because we are all aspects of The Creator Consciousness, experiencing itself in myriad forms.

The only Reality that exist is The Creators Consciousness. Everything else is created. Only that which is not created, is Real/Reality.

That which is not created, is that which makes created things, appear to be real. But they only appear to be real. Created things are not actually real in any absolute way. Only The Creator is real in an absolute way.

[Dontaskme]

Lets go deeper than that...

"Deeper" than reality? You are losing your grip.

I think you are unable to answer my questions
Regarding your relationship with your idea of god
..and consider your responses to be the obvious attempts to distract from giving answer because you understand where that will lead...charade you are.

I've noticed IC evades the deeper questions because he knows his belief would be his own self biased and superficial understanding of how the world works...he's already pointed this point out "Reality is the thing that destroys your stupid theory."

Actual Bare truth does run deeper than the superficial theory... but lets ignore and pretend it doesn't matter.

Nothing is known, Nothing is real. That's reality. Everything else is just more superficial self bias paint upon the blank canvas of consciousness...everything else is a distortion and distraction away form what's actually real.

Believers and life lovers always choose to live in their cartoon fantasy delusions, since there is no way for them to avoid their own self created belief. They are like tar babies stacking feathers.

Two birds, inseparable companions, perch on the same tree,
one eats the fruit, the other looks on. The first bird is our
individual self feeding on the pleasures and pains of this world;
The other is the universal Self, silently witnessing all.

Jordan Peterson is an ego feeder. Probably makes a ton of money perpetuating his ego feeding mind, for his own sense of self importance. He's just another human parrot believing he's making a difference. He glorifies the futilty of life, believing he is actually breathing life into what is actually a dead horse. He's a dead horse flogger.

Charles Dickens has more actual truth to his ideas, he would literally dissect the brain farts that come out of the motor boat mouth of the JP character for what they are, just silly sugar sprinkles on shit.

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[Immanuel Can]

I think you are unable to answer my questions

I think I am uninterested in being deflected from the real issue, which is whether or not there is any "reality" here.

[Immanuel Can]

I've noticed IC evades the deeper questions

VVilliam's questions aren't "deeper": they're actually irrelevant to what you and I were talking about. He's just miffed because I won't be pulled off-point by some shiny object he dangles.

[VVilliam]

"Deeper" than reality? You are losing your grip.

I think you are unable to answer my questions
Regarding your relationship with your idea of god
..and consider your responses to be the obvious attempts to distract from giving answer because you understand where that will lead...charade you are.

I've noticed IC evades the deeper questions because he knows his belief would be his own self biased and superficial understanding of how the world works...he's already pointed this point out "Reality is the thing that destroys your stupid theory."

Actual Bare truth does run deeper than the superficial theory... but lets ignore and pretend it doesn't matter.

Nothing is known, Nothing is real. That's reality. Everything else is just more superficial self bias paint upon the blank canvas of consciousness...everything else is a distortion and distraction away form what's actually real.

Believers and life lovers always choose to live in their cartoon fantasy delusions, since there is no way for them to avoid their own self created belief. They are like tar babies stacking feathers.

Two birds, inseparable companions, perch on the same tree,
one eats the fruit, the other looks on. The first bird is our
individual self feeding on the pleasures and pains of this world;
The other is the universal Self, silently witnessing all.

Jordan Peterson is an ego feeder. Probably makes a ton of money perpetuating his ego feeding mind, for his own sense of self importance. He's just another human parrot believing he's making a difference. He glorifies the futilty of life, believing he is actually breathing life into what is actually a dead horse. He's a dead horse flogger.

Charles Dickens has more actual truth to his ideas, he would literally dissect the brain farts that come out of the motor boat mouth of the JP character for what they are, just silly sugar sprinkles on shit.

It is extremely difficult and perhaps impossible for most Christians to accept the truth because it threatens their belief systems to the core. There is so much fear involved because they put the promise of eternal life into jeopardy due to what they have been told and choose to accept as 'the truth' by their religion(s)...not understanding that they have always been eternal...because thinking that is "blasphemy" ... to think themselves as aspects of 'God'...As the religious of Jesus' time also accused Jesus of doing when he claimed to be The Creators {The Father} son.

Even though no thing is real, this in itself does not mean we cannot enjoy the things we experience as real - for they were created for that purpose.
What make things unenjoyable is when fantasy is superimposed upon the reality experience to the degree where others are taken advantage of and used for ill gain.
We may be experiencing existing on a prison planet in the middle of nowhere, and the necessity for bullies to take the reigns and direct the operations is understandable in that context, eventually if the bullies do not stand down, the consequences won't be good - and 2.382 billion Christians could make a whole good difference to this world if they actually understood what Jesus was saying...and practiced that 'for real'.

But this experience is only a phase as there is more to come...and the next phase [afterlife] individuate consciousness will create their own realities, although for most, they will be unaware that it is they who are doing the creating...and some of those things created are not nice at all - reflecting as they do - the attitudes and beliefs of the personalities creating said environments they then experience for real, so it is a kind of Justice...but - like this phase - is temporary and purposeful.

All said and done it [the process] is The Creator fine tuning Itself through it myriad parts [individuate consciousnesses] and is understandable for that. What else does an Eternal being DO with Eternity but create things in which to occupy Itself within...

[Immanuel Can]

2.382 billion Christians could make a whole good difference to this world if they actually understood what Jesus was saying...and practiced that 'for real'.

Wow.

Well, maybe you'd better tell us about that. What do you think "Jesus was saying," as you put it?