Putting ''Immanuel Can'' In The Religious Spotlight Part 2

[Dontaskme]

Well, it clearly does, for one thing. Reality seems to respond very well to reason and logic, and rather poorly to fantasy and imagination, by comparison.

But if reality didn't make sense, then neither you nor I would be capable of saying anything about it...or, indeed, of saying anything at all.

So what?

Well, you're trying to tell me things. You are, in fact, asserting your worldview. Were the universe not a place where rationality applies, you could not do so at all.

So what?

There's just sound heard as words, appearing as worldviews.

That's just what's happening.

No thing that is happening can ever point to a creator of this no thing happening. Like religion suggests when it suggests a supreme creator being.

For how can no thing happening be pointed to - how can nothing have an image?

Can no thing be seen.

Can sound be seen

Can hearing be seen

Can feeling, emotion, pain, pleasure be seen


All there is is Consciousness - it's both the sense organs and the hearing seeing etc. All there is and is not is the Absolute.

[Immanuel Can]

So what?

Well, you're trying to tell me things. You are, in fact, asserting your worldview. Were the universe not a place where rationality applies, you could not do so at all.

So what?

There's just sound heard as words, appearing as worldviews.

That's just what's happening.

If the world were not a rational place, then your sounds would not "appear" as words at all, and your words wouldn't "appear" as worldviews, either. Nothing would be "happening," because there would be no linearity, no sequentiality, no causality, no rationality to make anything apparent at all.

[VVilliam]

Even were we to imagine it's an "illusion," something creates the illusion, and the illusion is a picture of something. So behind everything that appears must be a fixed reality, a "something" the "illusion" is an "illusion" of.

Oh - so you do get the gist of simulation theory...

You'll notice I started with "even were we to imagine..." In other words, I don't "imagine" it's true at all.

But yeah, I understand the idea...I just think it's an incoherent idea.

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Perhap it is only incoherent to you because it isn't dressed in religious costume and becausr it challenges the validity of your belief systems...

[VVilliam]

Oh - so you do get the gist of simulation theory...

You'll notice I started with "even were we to imagine..." In other words, I don't "imagine" it's true at all.

But yeah, I understand the idea...I just think it's an incoherent idea.

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Perhap it is only incoherent to you because it isn't dressed in religious costume and because it challenges the validity of you belief systems...

[Dontaskme]

Well, you're trying to tell me things. You are, in fact, asserting your worldview. Were the universe not a place where rationality applies, you could not do so at all.

So what?

There's just sound heard as words, appearing as worldviews.

That's just what's happening.

If the world were not a rational place, then your sounds would not "appear" as words at all, and your words wouldn't "appear" as worldviews, either. Nothing would be "happening," because there would be no linearity, no sequentiality, no causality, no rationality to make anything apparent at all.

Like I said earlier. Every thing known is the relative absolute. There is no god / man disconnect or re-connect. There's just what is happening, what is happening is the infinite appearing in-fintely.

[Immanuel Can]

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

[VVilliam]

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

Then you misunderstand the idea of existing within a virtual reality. The idea itself implies a creator, so no - I do not think it 'untrue'.

[VVilliam]

So what?

There's just sound heard as words, appearing as worldviews.

That's just what's happening.

If the world were not a rational place, then your sounds would not "appear" as words at all, and your words wouldn't "appear" as worldviews, either. Nothing would be "happening," because there would be no linearity, no sequentiality, no causality, no rationality to make anything apparent at all.

Like I said earlier. Every thing known is the relative absolute. There is no god / man disconnect or re-connect. There's just what is happening, what is happening is the infinite appearing in-fintely.

There is a creator - and in that, there is only 'disconnect' if one believes otherwise...

[Dontaskme]

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

The last thing this universe needed was a thinking Neanderthal. What was it thinking.

The universe does not need a thinking Neanderthal on it's turf - it's not like it cannot exist without them, remember the days of the dino's. The universe wasn't pine-ing for the day of the thinking Neanderthals to come along and make it all so rational. In the same context, the planet Mars does not need Martians on it's turf to exist.

What the heck does the meaningless word rational or irrational got to do with anything, but a silly believed fable no one made up.

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[Sculptor]

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

Na, not remotely intelligible.

[Dontaskme]

If the world were not a rational place, then your sounds would not "appear" as words at all, and your words wouldn't "appear" as worldviews, either. Nothing would be "happening," because there would be no linearity, no sequentiality, no causality, no rationality to make anything apparent at all.

Like I said earlier. Every thing known is the relative absolute. There is no god / man disconnect or re-connect. There's just what is happening, what is happening is the infinite appearing in-fintely.

There is a creator - and in that, there is only 'disconnect' if one believes otherwise...

A disconnect can only exist in relation to it's opposite. Else neither exist.

Nothing can be connected without the opposite being equally true. Both create each other.

Every known thing is the relative absolute. The uncreated creator. The not-known knowing.

[Dontaskme]

Yet you think the idea of a being creating this world and placing consciousness into it is coherent...the idea is the same.

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

Na, not remotely intelligible.

Nothing knows what it is doing, that's why the reality for sentient creatures is an absolute shite hole. Where eating shit and shitting that shit out becomes an automatic self sustaining feedback loop.

[VVilliam]

Like I said earlier. Every thing known is the relative absolute. There is no god / man disconnect or re-connect. There's just what is happening, what is happening is the infinite appearing in-fintely.

There is a creator - and in that, there is only 'disconnect' if one believes otherwise...

A disconnect can only exist in relation to it's opposite. Else neither exist.

Okay...

Nothing can be connected without the opposite being equally true. Both create each other.

Therefore you are saying that nothing created something and something created nothing?

Every known thing is the relative absolute. The uncreated creator. The not-known knowing.

are you able to rephrase that so as not to make it sound mystical?

[VVilliam]

Actually, there's nothing at all incoherent about that idea. You may think it's "untrue," but "incoherent," it isn't. It's perfectly intelligible.

Na, not remotely intelligible.

Nothing knows what it is doing, that's why the reality for sentient creatures is an absolute shite hole. Where eating shit and shitting that shit out becomes an automatic self sustaining feedback loop.

There are reportedly other realities which are not operating as this one is. We can at least ascertain that this reality acts as an impressive type of 'prison' and this could imply that it was designed to contain some type of sentient being, securely.

When we observe the evidence - a single planet in a seemingly infinite universe devoid of any evidence of other life on other planets, we can appreciate that the sentient being which required such containment, must have been something awesome and problematic...

[Dontaskme]

There is a creator - and in that, there is only 'disconnect' if one believes otherwise...

A disconnect can only exist in relation to it's opposite. Else neither exist.

Okay...

Nothing can be connected without the opposite being equally true. Both create each other.

Therefore you are saying that nothing created something and something created nothing?

Every known thing is the relative absolute. The uncreated creator. The not-known knowing.

are you able to rephrase that so as not to make it sound mystical?

It's not meant to be mystical, this is about a pointing to the actual true real nature of reality, and not to the one made up that is the apparent human story.

For example: While a nightly dream and waking experience are of the same nature, there is one fundamental difference. In the case of a nightly dream, only one perspective is experienced... that of 'the dreamer'. When the dreamer wakes from the dream to know it's been dreaming.

In the case, of 'waking experience' all perspectives are experienced.The dreamer, dreaming and dream are all known to exist simultaneously as one action, by the only knowing there is which is consciousness. The only difference in this 'waking experience' is that no one wakes up from it, because no one is asleep.

Death and Life are the same thing, they just differ in appearance.

Nothing and Everything (something) are the same reality.

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