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Should you think about your duty, or about the consequences of your actions? Or should you concentrate on becoming a good person?
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Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:01 pm
Per everything is different from everything else.
Difference is axiomatic.
"Sameness" is a claim. Justify it.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:06 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:01 pm
Per everything is different from everything else.
Difference is axiomatic.
"Sameness" is a claim. Justify it.
But you're not just saying that they're different words. You're assigning particular properties to them.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:07 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:06 pm
But you're not just saying that they're different words. You're assigning particular properties to them.
I am not doing anything of that sort.
ANY TWO THINGS (whatever their properties) are different.
If you are asserting "sameness" based on "properties" then justify those too.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:10 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:07 pm
I am not doing anything of that sort.
You wrote "Decisions require information." That's assigning a property to decisions, and it was done in distinction to choices.
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:12 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:10 pm
You wrote "Decisions require information." That's assigning a property to decisions, and it was done in distinction to choices.
No, it isn't. Your interpretation is all fucked up.
Information serves as input to decisions. It's not a property of decisions.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:13 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:12 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:10 pm
You wrote "Decisions require information." That's assigning a property to decisions, and it was done in distinction to choices.
No, it isn't. Your hermeneutics are all fucked up.
So no, it's not in distinction from choices?
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:13 pm
So no, it's not in distinction from choices?
I don't have to distinguish it. They are not the same. Axiomatically.
Information serves as input to decisions. No information -> undecidable.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:15 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:14 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:13 pm
So no, it's not in distinction from choices?
I don't have to distinguish it. They are not the same. Axiomatically.
Information serves as input to decisions. No information -> undecidable.
Is the distinction decidable?
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:16 pm
No. It's axiomatic. You don't have to decide.
Any two things are distinct.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:23 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:16 pm
No. It's axiomatic. You don't have to decide.
Any two things are distinct.
How are we getting to the "decisions require information" part?
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:26 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:23 pm
How are we getting to the "decisions require information" part?
If you are going to decide "sameness" between X and Y then you have to have a criterion which obtains.
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:27 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:26 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:23 pm
How are we getting to the "decisions require information" part?
If you are going to decide "sameness" between X and Y then you have to have a criterion which obtains.
Huh? How does that explain why you're writing "decisions require information" ?
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:28 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:27 pm
Huh? How does that explain why you're writing "decisions require information" ?
The criterion which obtains is what is required to make the decision THAT X is "the same" as Y
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by Terrapin Station » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:29 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:28 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:27 pm
Huh? How does that explain why you're writing "decisions require information" ?
The criterion which obtains is what is required to make the decision THAT X is "the same" as Y
What in the world are you talking about? What sameness are you talking about?
Skepdick
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by Skepdick » Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:30 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑ Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:29 pm
What in the world are you talking about? What sameness are you talking about?
YOU claimed that "choosing" is "deciding". You claimed sameness.
Provide the criterion which obtains.