Who will swallow the Corona virus debt? The rich or the poor?

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systemically forced poverty

describe this to me, explain it, cuz I ain't seein' any systemically forced poverty in 'murica

what am I missin'?
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henry quirk wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:20 am systemically forced poverty

describe this to me, explain it, cuz I ain't seein' any systemically forced poverty in 'murica

what am I missin'?
Murica has a tax code. No?

If the % of tax paid was lowered to a lower rate, there would be less poverty. Right?

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commonsense wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 pm
The poor will bear the burden of paying for the pandemic, not with cash but with decreases in public services.
We are the only species / life form on earth that has to pay money just to live.

Evolutionary screw up...or something else?
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Greatest I am wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:04 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:20 am systemically forced poverty

describe this to me, explain it, cuz I ain't seein' any systemically forced poverty in 'murica

what am I missin'?
Murica has a tax code. No?

If the % of tax paid was lowered to a lower rate, there would be less poverty. Right?

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DL
oh, I'd like that tax code to go the way of the dodo, but I don't think that's what dan was talkin' about
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:15 am
commonsense wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 pm
The poor will bear the burden of paying for the pandemic, not with cash but with decreases in public services.
We are the only species / life form on earth that has to pay money just to live.

Evolutionary screw up...or something else?
Something else.

What prevents war is trade and we are smart enough to recognize that fact.

Would you want to have to carry whatever you do for a living?

Imagine if you were a farmer. Can you carry all your wealth for trade, or is cash a lot easier?

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henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:14 pm
Greatest I am wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 11:04 pm
henry quirk wrote: Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:20 am systemically forced poverty

describe this to me, explain it, cuz I ain't seein' any systemically forced poverty in 'murica

what am I missin'?
Murica has a tax code. No?

If the % of tax paid was lowered to a lower rate, there would be less poverty. Right?

Regards
DL
oh, I'd like that tax code to go the way of the dodo, but I don't think that's what dan was talkin' about
What can I say when you say nothing?

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What can I say when you say nothing?

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The elites, like the Gavin Newsomes and Nasty Pelosis of the world will still have their gated communities, walled off from the realities of the "unwashed," their big parties in five star restaurants, and their freezers full of gourmet ice cream.

The middle class is going to pay very heavily, though; the elites are going to punish them with COVID measures, so they will be wiling to accept "The Great Reset" planned for them by the elites. The middle classes are eventually going to beg to be allowed to give up all their freedoms to the putatively "Socialist" elite, in desperate hopes of getting out of the social and economic mess those elites will hold them in.

Coming soon to a theatre near you.
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Greatest I am wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:13 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:15 am
commonsense wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:10 pm
The poor will bear the burden of paying for the pandemic, not with cash but with decreases in public services.
We are the only species / life form on earth that has to pay money just to live.

Evolutionary screw up...or something else?
Something else.

What prevents war is trade and we are smart enough to recognize that fact.

Would you want to have to carry whatever you do for a living?

Imagine if you were a farmer. Can you carry all your wealth for trade, or is cash a lot easier?

Regards
DL
Smart enough to use trade tactics, yes ... and without such,which we'd all resort to raping and pillaging, stealing, and even worse, we'd end up killing our own species just to survive. Seems to me the trade off is just a pretend screen to cover over our true nature. Seems like nothing has changed since the days of the dinosaurs. Even with the invention of a trade deal it seems that deal just triggers our opportunistic nature to get rich at the expense of making someone poor. And then that greed snowballs into the rich getting richer and the poor get poorer. Seems the true nature of who we are still lurks under this fake chocolate covered surface.

Which tells me there is absolutely no intelligent entity anywhere in this universe, creating or running it. Rather, it's just a rampant wild beast. Totally stupid.

Inventing money wasn't clever. Look at the state of the world today because of money...thats not clever at all.
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Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:09 pm The elites, like the Gavin Newsomes and Nasty Pelosis of the world will still have their gated communities, walled off from the realities of the "unwashed," their big parties in five star restaurants, and their freezers full of gourmet ice cream.

The middle class is going to pay very heavily, though; the elites are going to punish them with COVID measures, so they will be wiling to accept "The Great Reset" planned for them by the elites. The middle classes are eventually going to beg to be allowed to give up all their freedoms to the putatively "Socialist" elite, in desperate hopes of getting out of the social and economic mess those elites will hold them in.

Coming soon to a theatre near you.

Speaking of theatre...I watched the other day this movie from 2013...predictive programming? ...aren't they supposed to tell you what they are going to do? ....
New World Order: The End Has Come (2013) | Full Movie | Rob Edwards | Erin Runbeck | Melissa Farley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8-F4aR9bM


And now this so call ''safe pass'' :arrow:
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No card - No entry ..... I'm sorry but this is just a step too far, it's Insane Despotic Tyranny.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:12 am And now this so call ''safe pass'' :arrow:
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No card - No entry ..... I'm sorry but this is just a step too far, it's Insane Despotic Tyranny.
There are a lot of things that have been introduced "uncontroversially," by means of the COVID scare, which ought to be really troubling to anyone concerned with personal freedoms.

One is the transferring of everything to credit, which allows meticulous tracking of all your purchases. Another is contact tracing, whether though cell phone apps or cards like this one. One thing for sure: when COVID is all over, the government is going to have tools to follow all your movements, beliefs and habits, the likes of which it has never had before. And most of us won't even notice, at least at first, how much personal privacy we gave up.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:58 am
Greatest I am wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:13 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:15 am

We are the only species / life form on earth that has to pay money just to live.

Evolutionary screw up...or something else?
Something else.

What prevents war is trade and we are smart enough to recognize that fact.

Would you want to have to carry whatever you do for a living?

Imagine if you were a farmer. Can you carry all your wealth for trade, or is cash a lot easier?

Regards
DL
Smart enough to use trade tactics, yes ... and without such,which we'd all resort to raping and pillaging, stealing, and even worse, we'd end up killing our own species just to survive. Seems to me the trade off is just a pretend screen to cover over our true nature. Seems like nothing has changed since the days of the dinosaurs. Even with the invention of a trade deal it seems that deal just triggers our opportunistic nature to get rich at the expense of making someone poor. And then that greed snowballs into the rich getting richer and the poor get poorer. Seems the true nature of who we are still lurks under this fake chocolate covered surface.

Which tells me there is absolutely no intelligent entity anywhere in this universe, creating or running it. Rather, it's just a rampant wild beast. Totally stupid.

Inventing money wasn't clever. Look at the state of the world today because of money...thats not clever at all.
Without it, we could not trade as easily and the carnage you name would be even more common.

If you come up with any other way to carry on commerce, let us know.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:12 am
Immanuel Can wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:09 pm The elites, like the Gavin Newsomes and Nasty Pelosis of the world will still have their gated communities, walled off from the realities of the "unwashed," their big parties in five star restaurants, and their freezers full of gourmet ice cream.

The middle class is going to pay very heavily, though; the elites are going to punish them with COVID measures, so they will be wiling to accept "The Great Reset" planned for them by the elites. The middle classes are eventually going to beg to be allowed to give up all their freedoms to the putatively "Socialist" elite, in desperate hopes of getting out of the social and economic mess those elites will hold them in.

Coming soon to a theatre near you.

Speaking of theatre...I watched the other day this movie from 2013...predictive programming? ...aren't they supposed to tell you what they are going to do? ....
New World Order: The End Has Come (2013) | Full Movie | Rob Edwards | Erin Runbeck | Melissa Farley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku8-F4aR9bM


And now this so call ''safe pass'' :arrow:
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No card - No entry ..... I'm sorry but this is just a step too far, it's Insane Despotic Tyranny.
If one does not trust ones people and governments to do the right thing, one looks for what enforces that bias.

Our division has screwed up our eco system but some seem to like to divide us instead of uniting us.

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Immanuel Can wrote: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:30 pm And most of us won't even notice, at least at first, how much personal privacy we gave up.
Like our freedom, we have given personal privacy for security.

We notice but do not care as the tribe's success in life is more important to the whole than individual privacy rights.

What kind of secrete about people do you think important enough for you to that you would put personal secrets above your community's security?

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