There is no personal God or impersonal God.

[Dontaskme]

We are in a 'philosophy forum' and not just 'making conversation' for the sake of it.

Thanks for informing me of what I already know, but you really don't need to tell me what I already know. You are the one who like to derail every thread I make here at this forum just because you cannot accept that other people cannot understand a single thing you say or mean.

Why don't you just start your own thread if you want to be understood or want to learn how to communicate ideas with other people.
Why do you always have to highjack other peoples threads, especially mine...are you an insane lunatic like me, if not then get lost, only lunatics are allowed on my threads.

ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS has ANY thing AT ALL to do with what I was saying, which was;

If 'you' STOPPED making assumptions, and just focused ONLY on what I ACTUALLY WRITE, then 'you' would NOT have ANY, so called, "problems" with UNDERSTANDING.

You don't like it when someone repeats what you have said back at you, do you ? ...but you don't mind dishing it out to other people, it's like you have no problem giving it, but you do have a problem taking it. So why don't you just suck it up, it's a disgusting behavior that you keep projecting onto others you pathetic little bully boy manchild, stop belittling other people ideas in favor of your own, or get lost...it matters not to me what you do, just as long as you please stop being a twat on my thread.

[Dontaskme]

AND, CONTRADICTORY to YOUR OWN BELIEF, that Source can, and does KNOW Its OWN 'Self'.

NO, CONTRADICTORY to YOUR OWN BELIEF, not mine, please stop projecting.

AND, there is ONLY One that Truly KNOWS. That One is thee, One and ONLY, 'Mind', Itself.

The mind knows fuck all, the mind is known by that which can never be known, especially by the mind, because there is no such thing as a fucking mind you twat.

ALL of 'you', human beings, ONLY 'think' you know.

Thee Source of ALL Knowing is thee Truly OPEN Mind, Itself.

The source of ALL thinking, and thus NOT Knowing, is the brain, itself.

The brain has a narrowed and short sighted view of things because of PREJUDICES, PRESUMPTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, and BELIEFS.

Says you.

WOW, big fucking deal gosh I really never knew that until you said so. Thanks for the heads up the skirt information, does that mean I'm as enlightened as you now that you've informed me?

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[Dontaskme]

But tears and the sun do NOT think NOR speak.

Exactly, no thing does.

Now shut the fuck up you worn out broken record.

Talk to the trees, you may have better luck with needing to be understood, they maybe able to understand you more than any human being ever will moron.

[Age]

By the way, do 'you', the human being, recall that ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing that 'you', human beings, have made and have created, which 'you' live with NOW was ONCE also SEEN as being IMPOSSIBLE?

That's not true. It's just a belief that human created things were once seen as impossible.

Name just ONE thing, or name as MANY things as you like, which human beings have created and which was once NOT seen as impossible.

If these created things were once seen as impossible, they would never have manifested EVER.

ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just how NARROWED, SHORT SIGHTED and/or CLOSED a view the brain has when it LOOKS AT things.

These created things must already exist within the materials they are formed out of.

THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID.

For example, take a beach load of sand, the beach is made of just formless sand, and in that sand there is a sandcastle just waiting to be formed. So the sand is really the formless form in potential. The formless is form because you cannot have a formless form, there is no such form as a formless form. So not impossible no.

Form can only build upon form, there is no invisible hand creating or manifesting form. And while we are on the subject of form, there is no invisible mind either informing the form to build form.

But 'we' are NOT on the subject of 'form' NOR have 'we' moved onto the subject of 'form'. 'you', however, have.

For form already exists, it does not come into being, nor does it leave being, it just changes from one form into a different form...all formed from the same form.



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Okay. But I am still on the subject of 'creation' and how ABSOLUTELY EVERY thing, which 'you', human beings, have created was ONCE seen as impossible or was ONCE NOT seen as being possible.

Now, 'you' refute this, and I just wait, patiently, for 'you' to SHOW how this is FALSE and/or WRONG.

When, and IF, you can do this, then great, then we can move on. But until then 'you' would be STUCK in your OWN BELIEF, correct?

[Age]

This is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of one 'trying to' get out of EXPLAINING and CLARIFYING what they OBVIOUSLY can not.

Instead of just being OPEN and Honest, the people in the days of when this is being written, revert to such inane responses as this.

Yeah well I've already told you before this cannot be explained, it can only be speculated and interpreted,

Besides the fact that the subject matter has been 'tried to' be diverted, how can a 'you', who is only able to observe things for a relatively VERY SHORT PERIOD, REALLY KNOW what WILL HAPPEN forever more?

All you have said, and stated, is " 'this' CANNOT be explained ", which, by the way, is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of how the brain, itself, actually works. The brain only LOOKS from, and can only SEE, what it ALREADY thinks, assumes, and/or believes is true. The brain does NOT look from a Truly OPEN perspective, and so can NOT see, what IS actually True.

This statement that, " 'this' CAN NOT be explained ", only arises in and from that brain BECAUSE this is only what it knows and only what it BELIEVES is true. This happens because this brain has NOT YET experienced ANY thing differently.

but you never listen or hear those words...

But I HAVE listened AND heard those words. Many, many times I will add. The reason WHY we continue to have this back and forth discussion is BECAUSE I HAVE LISTENED TO and HAVE HEARD those words.

But, do you REALLY BELIEVE that just because the one known as "dontaskme" says some thing, then that MUST BE True, and therefore MUST ALSO BE BELIEVED TO BE True?

and or you just refuse to believe those words are true.

But I do NOT just refuse to believe those words are true, I REFUSE to believe ANY thing is true.

Also, those words are OBVIOUSLY NOT True BECAUSE 'you' do NOT KNOW what will happen FOREVER MORE.

Thee ACTUAL Truth is those words may well be ACTUALLY True. But 'we' will have to wait an ETERNITY to find out if they are True or NOT.

Surely, 'this' is NOT to hard nor to complex to understand?

[Dontaskme]

Go away please, I'm begging now, please stop this insanity.

Start your own thread.

Stop spamming mine with your own ideas that are not mine and never will be.

Stop projecting your bull crap here. Honestly, I know you have nothing else to do with your life, but until you can stop projectile vomiting all over my threads with your vile diatribe sick, then I'm done replying to you.

But you will not stop projecting will you, so I guess I will just have to put up with you.

I'm done for now though, so I'll see you around I suppose. Bye for now...until we meet again, when I can be bothered to play silly word games with you again.

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[Age]

Well thanks for letting me know, but I'd REALLY REALLY rather get my own ACTUAL TRUTH knowing ..if it's all the same to you.

This can be CLEARLY SEEN and EVIDENCED.

Being a Truly OPEN and inquisitive being, thus a Truly INTELLIGENT being, like 'you' once were, is your choice alone.

If 'you' choose NOT TO be, then so be 'it'.

The universe has No intelligence, no intelligence built this universe and all that it is, that is clearly known.

The two; "The universe has No intelligence", and, "no intelligence built this universe and all that it is", do NOT logically 'have to' follow together.

The Universe COULD ACTUALLY have 'intelligence', in say; an 'intelligent being'.

But that's another long story i haven't got the will or time to discuss right now.

There is no inquisitive being except a belief there is...bla blah blah...

So, to the one known as "dontaskme" there has NEVER exist a being, like let us imagine a CHILD, who has EVER 'wondered' about ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing'. Is this correct?

By the way, if you have NOT YET NOTICED that CLARIFYING QUESTION was in relation to SOME 'thing' 'I' WONDERED about, which if 'you' were STILL UNAWARE that 'WONDERING' works in relation to 'INQUISITIVENESS', ITSELF.

So, make of that as 'you' will.

[Age]

I guess you didn't understand what I meant or said...no worries, you are not alone, I have the same problem as you, only my problem understanding you is different to yours.

But 'you' do NOT understand 'me' BECAUSE 'you' make ASSUMPTIONS, and do NOT ask CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

'I' do NOT understand 'you' BECAUSE what 'you' say you CAN NOT CLARIFY. 'you' have even admitted that 'you' CAN NOT explain what you say.

That's because you make no sense to me whatsoever, and you never have or ever will.

Again, what is with the 'FOREVER MORE KNOWING'?

OBVIOUSLY, 'you' do NOT want to say ANY thing that would go against your OWN ALREADY HELD ONTO BELIEFS. But stating FOREVER MORE predictions, just so your OWN ALREADY HELD BELIEFS "appear" true is just PURE ABSURDITY and ILLOGICAL at the worst.

If 'I' make NO sense to 'you', whatsoever, then what 'I' suggest 'you' do, is; ASK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

But, OBVIOUSLY, 'you' would have to FIRST WANT to UNDERSTAND the "other", and which 'you', ALSO OBVIOUSLY, do NOT WANT.

AND, starting your sentence here with; "That's because ..." is just PURE ABSURDITY and ILLOGICAL, as well.

I ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY 'you' do NOT understand 'me'. Because 'I' make NO SENSE, to 'you', has NO bearing whatsoever on the matter.

Do you not understand that. I do not need to ask you anything that I do not already know, I've tried to tell you this many times but you do not listen or hear me.

BUT I have ALREADY STATED MANY, MANY TIMES; That 'you' do NOT 'need' to. I ALREADY KNEW this, and have EXPLAINED THIS ALREADY.

I was JUST EXPLAINING WHY 'you' do NOT YET understand who, and what, 'I' AM, that is; the REAL 'Me', of which there is ONLY One.

[Dontaskme]

Age, I do not understand you ok.

I don't even want to understand you ok.

In fact I'd rather slit my own throat than even slightly try to understand a single thing you've ever said to me ok, that's how much your words mean to me here ok..have you got that? does that ever sink into you that I do not have one iota of understanding a single word you are saying to me ?

Do you not understand that I would rather take a bath in boiling oil than try to understand you ok. Id' rather have my eyeballs drawn out of their sockets with red hot pokers than try to understand you ok.

Now please have some respect and fuck off with your absolute non-understandable garbage, take it somewhere else, just please stop dumping it here.

Unless you can speak normally to me, I will never understand you ok. I don't want you to explain anything to me, I just want you to speak normally that's all.

[Dontaskme]

Age, I know you are a mentally retarded twat, because I am one as well.

But even though we are both mental fucktards, that does not mean we can't just speak normally with each other..ok?

Can we at least try normal simple speak, like we are little children or something?

[Age]

LOL

Are 'you' at all able to RECOGNIZE and SEE just how CONTRADICTORY and ILLOGICAL this is?

Short answer is NO

The contradiction is perfectly logical and recognised in this one here, sorry to hear you there are having a hard time accepting this.

So, IF you can REALLY SEE the 'CONTRADICTION', and IF that CONTRADICTION is "perfectly logical", to you, then WHAT is the ACTUAL REASON WHY 'you' can NOT explain 'this' to absolutely ANY one else?

ALSO, I have NEVER said that I could NOT "accept" that the, apparent CONTRADICTIONS to 'me', and "others", is "perfectly logical" to you. IN FACT, I ACCEPT that they could well be. I am just HIGHLIGHTING the fact that 'you' are COMPLETELY and UTTERLY UNABLE to EXPLAIN the OBVIOUS CONTRADICTIONS away.

If an, apparent, CONTRADICTION is 'PERFECTLY LOGICAL', then WHY?

See, I PURPOSELY, sometimes, write SEEMING VERY CONTRADICTORY things. I do this to HIGHLIGHT some thing else. So, I KNOW that what APPEARS as CONTRADICTORY to one, may well be 'PERFECTLY LOGICAL' to "another". But I also KNOW that if one can NOT EXPLAIN how what is SEEMINGLY or APPARENTLY CONTRADICTORY is ACTUALLY NOT CONTRADICTORY, then just saying that it is NOT or that it is "perfectly logical", REALLY SAYS NOTHING AT ALL.

Also, if you are going to answer "NO" here, then there is NO CONTRADICTION, to 'you'.

So then saying after: "The CONTRADICTION is perfectly logical AND RECOGNIZED in this one here," just SHOWS how ILLOGICAL your thinking AND viewing REALLY IS.

How could 'you' LOGICALLY state that you can NOT RECOGNIZE and SEE the CONTRADICTION, BUT, then state; "The CONTRADICTION is perfectly logical AND RECOGNIZED in this one here,"

The CONTRADICTION is now just getting MORE and MORE ABSURD, and MORE and MORE ILLOGICAL.

Can 'you' now RECOGNIZE and SEE this happening, or STILL NOT YET?

[Dontaskme]

Oh my god I give up.

That's it...I'm off to spend the rest of my life living on the top of mount ever rest, and while I'm up there, I just hope and pray that I freeze to death so that I never have to wake up ever again knowing that I'm still fucking alive and having to live in the same space that is occupied by idiotic fucktard twats .

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[Age]

We are in a 'philosophy forum' and not just 'making conversation' for the sake of it.

Thanks for informing me of what I already know, but you really don't need to tell me what I already know. You are the one who like to derail every thread I make here at this forum just because you cannot accept that other people cannot understand a single thing you say or mean.

'you' made the CLAIM that; "There is no personal God or impersonal God", and, "Whatever is labeled a ''thing'' is really not what the label says it is, but since it is NOT KNOWN what anything is, a label will always suffice and make what is really not known.. known. And it's the lie we all fall for."

I just asked; WHY do 'you' fall for the lie?

If you had ANSWERED that question OPENLY and Honestly, then maybe this thread would not have go, so called, "derailed". Also have I REALLY been in EVERY thread that 'you' make here, at this forum?

And, I understand PERFECTLY WHY 'you', people, do NOT understand me here, in this forum.

Why don't you just start your own thread if you want to be understood or want to learn how to communicate ideas with other people.

Because I do NOT want to be understood here, in this forum. I am NOT here, in this forum, to be understood. I thought I had made that PERFECTLY CLEAR, ALREADY.

Why do you always have to highjack other peoples threads, especially mine...are you an insane lunatic like me, if not then get lost, only lunatics are allowed on my threads.

WHY I, so call, "hijack" other threads is because what I ACTUALLY DO is just CLARIFY and/or CHALLENGE the CLAIMS, which some people make, some of the time.

ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THIS has ANY thing AT ALL to do with what I was saying, which was;

If 'you' STOPPED making assumptions, and just focused ONLY on what I ACTUALLY WRITE, then 'you' would NOT have ANY, so called, "problems" with UNDERSTANDING.

You don't like it when someone repeats what you have said back at you, do you ? ...

But 'you' did NOT repeat back to me what I ACTUALLY SAID and have STATED.

I thought that I had ALREADY MADE THIS CLEAR.

What 'you' repeated back to me was NOT what I ACTUALLY SAID, which can be CLEARLY SEEN and CLEARLY EVIDENCED as being CLEARLY True.

but you don't mind dishing it out to other people, it's like you have no problem giving it, but you do have a problem taking it.

What does the 'it' word here ACTUALLY refer to?

So why don't you just suck it up, it's a disgusting behavior that you keep projecting onto others you pathetic little bully boy manchild, stop belittling other people ideas in favor of your own, or get lost...it matters not to me what you do, just as long as you please stop being a twat on my thread.

[Age]

AND, CONTRADICTORY to YOUR OWN BELIEF, that Source can, and does KNOW Its OWN 'Self'.

NO, CONTRADICTORY to YOUR OWN BELIEF, not mine, please stop projecting.

But I do NOT have BELIEF, NOR do I do BELIEF. BELIEF is what 'you' have and do do.

AND, there is ONLY One that Truly KNOWS. That One is thee, One and ONLY, 'Mind', Itself.

The mind knows fuck all, the mind is known by that which can never be known, especially by the mind, because there is no such thing as a fucking mind you twat.

Do 'you' think or believe that by calling "another" by some sort of OBVIOUSLY ILLOGICAL and WRONG name, then that makes what you say MORE RIGHT?

ALL of 'you', human beings, ONLY 'think' you know.

Thee Source of ALL Knowing is thee Truly OPEN Mind, Itself.

The source of ALL thinking, and thus NOT Knowing, is the brain, itself.

The brain has a narrowed and short sighted view of things because of PREJUDICES, PRESUMPTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, and BELIEFS.

Says you.

YES. I say this. And, I say this BECAUSE I can back it up and support it with PROOF.

WOW, big fucking deal gosh I really never knew that until you said so. Thanks for the heads up the skirt information, does that mean I'm as enlightened as you now that you've informed me?

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How, so called, "enlightened" do 'you' think, or believe, 'I' am?

[Age]

But tears and the sun do NOT think NOR speak.

Exactly, no thing does.

BUT 'you', human beings, DO ACTUALLY 'think' AND 'speak'.

This can be CLEARLY SEEN, and CLEARLY EVIDENCED and PROVEN.

Now shut the fuck up you worn out broken record.

Talk to the trees, you may have better luck with needing to be understood, they maybe able to understand you more than any human being ever will moron.

What is 'it' here that REALLY annoys 'you'?