What causes muslims to be violent

[seeds]

In Paradise if we make it there, God willing, the pleasures are tremendous indeed as described by the messengers of God, the Almighty. In Islam, Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) is one of the great messengers of God, the Almighty. The greater one's level of piety in this world, the greater the reward in the Hereafter, there is no doubt about it.

You completely avoided my direct (and highly specific) question. So let me ask it again:

Do you believe that Islamic male martyrs will each receive 72 virgin maidens in paradise as a reward for their sacrifice?

It’s a yes or no question, Averroes.

And as a token of my willingness to answer your direct question...

May I now ask you if you believe in God, the Creator of the Universe and the Creator of mankind and everything in the Universe?

...my answer is a resounding YES !!!
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[Averroes]

Conciseness, I like that very much.

Good. Then let me remain concise.

The OP concerns the following topic: "What causes Muslims to be violent?"

Do you have any perspective on that OP?

As I said to you already, we have to finish the first conversation that you initiated with me first before we can address another subject. Let's now put this new topic too on the list but in the third position, because second we have the native American discussion awaiting us. See, I did not forget that one! But we have to first finish the current one as it is the establishment of a common ground of meaning between us inorder to synchronize our definitions. No other conversation can purposefully take place between us before this one is concluded successfully. But again as I said in my very first reply to you, if you don't want to discuss that, that's okay, I would understand. Just say so, and we are done. If not then please tell me what are your sources for believing that Jesus is God? For surely biblical Jesus never said he was God in the Bible, and he even clearly made a distinction between him and God. So on what does your belief rest? Again, just say so if you don't want to have this conversation with me anymore, it's fine with me.

[Immanuel Can]

Conciseness, I like that very much.

Good. Then let me remain concise.

The OP concerns the following topic: "What causes Muslims to be violent?"

Do you have any perspective on that OP?

As I said to you already, we have to finish the first conversation that you initiated with me first before we can address another subject.

No, we really don't. After all, I didn't "initiate" any "conversation" apart from the OP with you. I simply denied your allegation that Christianity was violent, or that there were 140 million Native Americans. Those were false "facts," and I gave you the real facts.

Let's return to the OP, because we want to respect those who are dealing with it here. It's not polite to take things in a direction they don't want.

[Averroes]

Good. Then let me remain concise.

The OP concerns the following topic: "What causes Muslims to be violent?"

Do you have any perspective on that OP?

As I said to you already, we have to finish the first conversation that you initiated with me first before we can address another subject.

No, we really don't. After all, I didn't "initiate" any "conversation" apart from the OP with you. I simply denied your allegation that Christianity was violent, or that there were 140 million Native Americans. Those were false "facts," and I gave you the real facts.

Let's return to the OP, because we want to respect those who are dealing with it here. It's not polite to take things in a direction they don't want.

God willing, we will discuss all these subjects that you raised but it will be in the order that it occurred in our exchange. There are three subjects on this list so far, but let's be polite to each other and finish with the conversation that we already started. One way or another, we have to end this conversation, and as I said if you don't want to further it, just say so and we are done.

So to summarize, so far you replied that the fundamental belief in your understanding of Christianity is your belief that Jesus is God. According to you, one cannot be a Christian if one does not believe that Jesus is God. This was clearly and concisely stated by you. If you changed your mind on that too, please inform me and let's get to the second subject on the list right away. However, if you still believe in that, then what are your sources for believing that Jesus was God, for as I said he never said that he was God in the Bible? On the contrary, biblical Jesus explicitly said the he was not God, that he(biblical Jesus) was ignorant while God was All-Knowing. That he(biblical Jesus) was weak, while God was All-Powerful. How do you reconcile these with you belief?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Yes, and that is what makes it "SEEM" like Christians are less violent bu they are not.
Given the vast numbers of Muslims, a few nutcrackers really makes their violence negligible, whilst the media earn bucks to make is "SEEM" the way you describe.

And since the media are less interested in Christian based violence they do not seem as bad
https://www.dw.com/en/the-lords-resista ... a-18136620
And since Christians military campaigns in various places such as Iraq, Iran, Libya, ect.. are not seen as "violence" (which I beg to differ upon) is would "SEEM" that Muslims are more violent.

Your thinking is too shallow and narrow.

Wow what a great way to get a person to read on.....

PLONK!

delete

It is a honest feedback for improvement.

What I have presented are rational premises which you can counter rationally.

[Veritas Aequitas]

So to summarize, so far you replied that the fundamental belief in your understanding of Christianity is your belief that Jesus is God. According to you, one cannot be a Christian if one does not believe that Jesus is God. This was clearly and concisely stated by you. If you changed your mind on that too, please inform me and let's get to the second subject on the list right away. However, if you still believe in that, then what are your sources for believing that Jesus was God, for as I said he never said that he was God in the Bible? On the contrary, biblical Jesus explicitly said the he was not God, that he(biblical Jesus) was ignorant while God was All-Knowing. That he(biblical Jesus) was weak, while God was All-Powerful. How do you reconcile these with you belief?

Don't waste time on the above question.

I have came across loads of answers to the above question in the positive from many sources and all over the internet.
Here is one;

Where Did Jesus Say, "I Am God, Worship Me"? (David Wood)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-lLTfCI7c

If you think you have sound arguments for your view, open a new thread.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Back to topic.
What causes muslims to be violent?

See my post above.
viewtopic.php?p=467626#p467626
The cause is because Islam is inherent Evil which compel SOME evil prone Muslims to comply with the commands of Allah to commit certain supposedly good [but evil to humanity] acts as their divine duty.

[Age]

The fundamentals are these facts;

• 1. ALL humans are "programmed" with a potential to fight and kill which are useful for survival but could lead them to commit the most terrible evil acts.
  
  2. Some humans are born [NATURE] with an active tendency [out of the above potential] to commit the most terrible acts. Some acquire this active evil tendency during NURTURE.
  
  3. Re the Principles of Normal Distribution, it is like 20% [best guess] are evil prone via Nature and Nurture. I can justify for this best estimate.
  
  4. The evil prones are triggered to commit evil via various evil laden stimuli and others, e.g. note the Milgram experiments and others.
  
  5. From 3, 20% [best guess] of the 1.5 billion++ Muslims i.e. 300 millions are evil prone.
  
  6. A Muslim is a believer who has entered into a spiritual contract to adhere to Allah's commands with a promise of eternal life in heaven [some say with 72 virgins].
  
  7. Allah commands are contained within the Quran, the core holy texts of Islam that is comprised of 6236 verses.
  
  8. More than 3400 or 55% of the 6236 verses are laden with evil elements [evil laden] and to the extreme of Allah exhorting believers to kill non-believers [e.g. Quran 5:33 and other warring and killing verses]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_in_the_Quran
  
  9. The reason why SOME Muslims are violent is because 20% of them are evil prone [5] and they are contracted [6] has to comply the command of Allah [7] but as evil prone, they are more inclined to execute the evil laden commands [8] within the Quran to ensure of the promise of eternal life in heaven with 72 virgins [6]

The above reasons is why SOME [not all] Muslims are so violent and such terrible acts committed by these Muslims are so evident.

To those 20% evil prone Muslims, if they are not harsh, violent to non-Muslims as commanded in the Quran, they may go to hell.

Btw, the fundamental fault is not with ALL Muslims or even the evil prone Muslims, but the critical root cause is the ideology, not the people. Note this thread;
Do Not Blame Muslims
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24842

No other religion has the above explicit commands to kill and commit violence upon non-believers.
Christianity is fundamentally a pacifist religion with an overriding pacifist maxim, i.e. love your enemies.
Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism also has overriding pacifist theme.
There is some doubts on some Hindu religions but most on a deeper reflection are dominantly pacifist on the principle of Ahimsa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahi%E1%B9%83s%C4%81

Views?

How one sees the quran is just from a subjective viewpoint, which is just relative to that one's past experiences.

So, if one sees a book "laden with evil", or not, then that is just because of their own personal past experiences, which has become just a projection of how one sees, and reads, things.

You have already been informed of how what you see, and interpret, as being "evil" can in fact be interpreted in the completely opposite way.

But sadly you are just to blinded, by your own beliefs, to be able to yet see and understand this fact.

[Belinda]

Is it possible a world caliphate would resolve the climate crisis and restore wild life habitants?

Can any Xian Church do it? Does any Muslim preacher pray to Allah to resolve the climate crisis?

[PeteJ]

So there seems a real problem here.

Yes. I think it is that I'm trying to explain a subtle metaphysical view that is better explained in the literature at much greater length. Clearly I'm not doing well. The Perennial philosophy is tough to explain and I don't really understand your objections so am slightly at a loss anyway. I suggest we leave it. No worries. Thanks for the chat.

[Sculptor]

Some years ago Tony Blair and George Bush got on their knees to the CHRISTIAN GOD.
They asked for guidance concerning the proposed invasion or Iraq and they got their answer.

Having lied, and cheated and falsified information they were now equipped to follow God's plan.

What followed was a conflict whose repercussions are still being felt by the people of Iraq and several nations that bordered it.

As a direct result of their Holy War, or Crusade as Bush called it, more than 400,000 (conservative estimate) deaths occurred. With many more lives ruined. Many estimates more than double that number
US military deaths was in excess of 4000, with 32000 wounding.

You forgot to mention the 140 million(again conservative estimate) of the native Americans who were slaughtered by the Christians who first came to America from Europe!

Indeed.
Why stop there?
People from the whole world over.
By contrast the Ottoman Empire was known for religious tolerance.

[Sculptor]

False there has never been a war fought for, or in the interests of promoting atheism.

Every Marxists "struggle" ever was exactly that.

Religion was always a minor aspect of any communist "struggle".
But it was clearly recognised that the church was always at the heart of the oppression of the working people. Especially in getting them to bow down to the monarchies dei gratia.

May I also remind you that it was Catholic Hitler and his buddies in the Vatican that stared WW2.
The Vatican conspired in the holocaust too.
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Stalin modelled himself on religion, except that he was the new tsar.
And to make Soviet citizens kill more effectively, he allowed Christianity back into their lives by opening up the churches in WW2.

[Immanuel Can]

One way or another, we have to end this conversation, and as I said if you don't want to further it, just say so and we are done.

No, I'm quite happy if you are interested in these things.

I'm just not sure everybody else is; and my concern is that nobody here wants to see us take this strand and turn it into a debate on something very different from the main topic. After all, people do have a right to decide what threads they want to participate in, without others dragging them away from it.

The debate in which you are interested is important. It's so important, in fact, that it has been done many times. So I'm going to suggest an excellent resource for all those genuinely interested in this question -- and not only this particular question, but many other good questions regarding Islam and Christianity. I recommend: http://www.nabeelqureshi.com/no-god-but-one. Nabeel was a convert from Islam, one who remained very sympathetic to persons of Islamic background, and who deals with the questions with wisdom and tact. I think you'll enjoy his book.

[Immanuel Can]

Thanks for the chat.

Anytime, Pete. Thanks to you, as well.

[Immanuel Can]

False there has never been a war fought for, or in the interests of promoting atheism.

Every Marxists "struggle" ever was exactly that.

Religion was always a minor aspect of any communist "struggle".

Well yes -- if you include the Marxist desire to exterminate it.

If you know Marx, you know that he called the critique of religion the "first critique" of all. He believed that if religion were not wiped out (and he meant especially Judaism and Christianity, but others as well, presumably) then the Marxist utopia would never be achieved. So you couldn't get a more ardently Atheistic and even ardently Anti-Theistic project than Marxism.

May I also remind you that it was Catholic Hitler and his buddies in the Vatican that stared WW2.
The Vatican conspired in the holocaust too.

I'm not a Catholic. Nor was Jesus Christ, actually. But to know that, you'd have to understand something about the relative theologies. And I know about the "rat lines" and other such incidents in WW2...Christianity has no association with any of that at all.

However, to be fair to Catholics, I wouldn't necessarily take and profession of "faith' from Hitler any more seriously than his promise to stay out of the Sudetenland. He was pretty much prepared to say anything. One thing he did stick with, though, was his National Socialism. And he certainly shared Marx's ardent hatred of Jews, as well as of dissident Christians, of course.